Let's try this again a little more PC this time

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I wonder if the original poster here is just trying to harass PittDawg into not posting here so that poster who has what 4 posts now, can mosey back over to his own board and giggle with his 3 or 4 buddies??

PD, we thank you, I thank you, for being a class act and putting up with the childish antics of a few who probably have ulterior motives. I think every one involved wished Rob played a bit better. They all probably wish Roy Williams woulda not allowed Santana Moss deep twice as well but I am pretty sure no one is posting insults to RW's family and friends.

Original poster here, my post was not meant to antagonize Mr. P, I guess I could have worded it better, sorry. I'd love to see Rob be our RT for the next 10 or so years. But to do that he needs to improve. I realize he switched for left to right and that he was a 6th round pick. I'll be more positive in future posts if I'm not run off for that last post. For what's it's worth I'm pulling for him to make it.

 

[jksmith269]

Original poster here, my post was not meant to antagonize Mr. P, I guess I could have worded it better, sorry. I'd love to see Rob be our RT for the next 10 or so years. But to do that he needs to improve. I realize he switched for left to right and that he was a 6th round pick. I'll be more positive in future posts if I'm not run off for that last post. For what's it's worth I'm pulling for him to make it.

Nah you won't be run off you just gave your opinion like we all do and I'm sure PD is man enough to take the good with the bad. Rob will be a good T in the NFL IMO and went thru a lot. a lot of fans are frustrated right now and are spewing off at the mouth but PD and many others are right more than one player\coach is responsible for this season. Me I'm content with what we did I would liked to see us go all the way but I like the direction we are headed and am pleased in that. Another draft like the last one and we could be set for a Very long time.

BTW

 

[arglebargle]

I guess not too good or good as Petiti would be my answer. I have always believed, the OL although not good, were in undue pressure, due to the QB being what he is.

Which just made matters worse for OL, since they had to work on Pass Protection more than they would need to, if they had a QB, who would setup and get rid of the ball quickly. I remember, Aikman pointing out, that for a Mobile QB, McNabb was in the league leading category of getting sacked ( but this was about two years ago, not sure if he did the same thing in 2004 etc.). He noted that because McNabb held onto the ball too long in the pocket, when he didn't scramble. Bottom line, no matter if you are immobile like Bledsoe or Mobile like McNabb, if you don't make quick decisions and get rid of the ball quickly, you are bound to get sacked more. Heck, thats why the most Immobile QB I ever saw, Dan Marino, seldom got sacked.

Anyway, not to get into QB debate here, but entire OL, was under pressure to give real good pass protection, which in my opinion, only made matters worse for the young tackles, who are not that good to begin with, not this year anyway.

Good points! Parcells made a lot of Oline moves that may pay off in the future (starting rookies, getting Colombo, etc).

And to back up your Marino mention, years ago I once happened to catch one of those Quarterback Challenge contests. In the Mobility Challenge, Marino used his noggin. He was late in the rotation and watched the other QBs go through it, watched their mistakes, and, when it was his time, he was efficiency in motion, going through each segment of the test in minimum time. Lo and Behold, when the times were compared, he had finished fastest. Not due to any real mobility, but do to his efficiency and problem solving. Funny too, when they showed the results, everyone was laughing about it, even Marino.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Good points! Parcells made a lot of Oline moves that may pay off in the future (starting rookies, getting Colombo, etc).

And to back up your Marino mention, years ago I once happened to catch one of those Quarterback Challenge contests. In the Mobility Challenge, Marino used his noggin. He was late in the rotation and watched the other QBs go through it, watched their mistakes, and, when it was his time, he was efficiency in motion, going through each segment of the test in minimum time. Lo and Behold, when the times were compared, he had finished fastest. Not due to any real mobility, but do to his efficiency and problem solving. Funny too, when they showed the results, everyone was laughing about it, even Marino.

Thats really interesting info. Thanks.

 

[RedLine]

It's kinda a inside joke... there is a vid clip on the internet from what I guess is Lord of the Rings where it looks like he is saying "Mo Naked Hoes"... obviously he wasn't and my point was that you really don't know what was actually said, and definitely don't know the context...

Being Chaplain around here is a hard job... I feel so dirty on a daily basis...

Here is the clip.

 

[Rockytop6]

Yes, Rob needs to improve. Did anybody think that he wouldn't? I have heard many times over the years that OL is the toughest position to learn and it takes about 3 years. Instead of lauding a guy who stepped in because he was better than those who had been on the team for 2 to 3 years, and then take his lumps, everybody is beating up on him. He shouldn't be in the lineup at this stage of his career.

Jacobs and Peterman were 2nd and 3rd rounders and one is out and the other is on the bench and this is their second year.

Rob beat out Tucker for the RT position and Tucker is a 2nd or 3rd year man?

Rob has a lot to learn. He was schooled by some pro bowlers this year. He will be better next year. He should have been playing behind the higher draft picks that were making a lot more money and given the privilege to learn his craft. Instead he was thrown into the frey and told to sink or swim. He has had good games and bad games. Whether he becomes the starting RT of the future remains to be seen. But why do we bash him and not give him the benefit of the doubt that we have been giving others?

 

[RCowboyFan]

Here is the clip.

LOL, yeah that sounds ( or should I say mouths like it?) like it indeed.

 

[neosapien23]

You speak of injuries, including Petitti's and others.

That begs the question: were the likes of Columbo, Brooks and Price so very bad that we could not even afford to give him a breather here and there?

Yes they were. Remember when Rob got a concussion and still finshed out a game?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Not like Pittdawg needs any verification from anyone, but the radio guys were saying in the pregame Sunday that Rob was extremely beat up all season long, and they gave him many kudos for continuing to drag his injured body out there week after week without ever complaining.

The fact that he was far less than 100% is something to consider when knocking his play and his future potential.

IMO, the obvious reason Parcells didn't spell him is that he thinks a lot of Rob's long-term potential and was using this season to teach him a valuable lesson about just how tough he has to be to play in this league.

We might still need a more talented RT for the future -- that remains to be seen. But I do expect to see a *vastly* improved player next year after a full offseason of conditioning and lifting.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Not like Pittdawg needs any verification from anyone, but the radio guys were saying in the pregame Sunday that Rob was extremely beat up all season long, and they gave him many kudos for continuing to drag his injured body out there week after week without ever complaining.

The fact that he was far less than 100% is something to consider when knocking his play and his future potential.

IMO, the obvious reason Parcells didn't spell him is that he thinks a lot of Rob's long-term potential and was using this season to teach him a valuable lesson about just how tough he has to be to play in this league.

We might still need a more talented RT for the future -- that remains to be seen. But I do expect to see a *vastly* improved player next year after a full offseason of conditioning and lifting.

Thats exactly my opinion too. Now I am not saying I didn't think at times Rob was crappy player or might be crappy player, in the heat of the moment. But each time, when I realize, what other highly touted OT in nfl went through, you just have to think that you have to be patient, especially considering he has been playing with injuries.

 

[Kangaroo]

What about moving Pettiti and Tucker to guard? A year in the weight room might give them the strength they need to play the guard position in the 2007 season. They both play their hearts out, and play the game with passion. However neither is quick enough to play tackle. I think both could good be really solid guards in the near future. Both do their best work when their man is in front of them. The thing I like about both of them is that they play the game with a lot of emotion, both care about their teammates and letting them down.

Tucker issue is not strength if you watch him play I broken this down many times he was the best run blocker when Flo went down with that said he is a guard not a tackle he played guard in college. He has nimble feet for a guard but average for a tackle which is why he struggles with speed rushers.

I put that on the coaches playing him out of poistion

 

[Rack]

Wow. This board is down on a guy for actually discussing the play? With 11 seconds left in the game, Rob is discussing the last offensive series. Yeah, much rather have someone who has checked out.

Our OL is full of guys who show no emotion at all. We need guys who will show a little fire like Rob is doing.

Screw the "Fire". I want a lineman that can freakin' block! This "fire" you speak of would be a bonus, not a necessity. First things first, we need the guy to execute his job. If he cares about it, great. If not, oh well, just keep doing your job.

 

[jem88]

This is the most overused word on this entire board.

Agreed, especially when so few appear to understand what it really means. Karl Rove has an agenda, Nors, going on about Ty Law, has an obsession, not an agenda (unless he figures that his opinion holds some kind of sway over the Cowboy decision-making process, which would indicate a level of delusion that I doubt even Nors could aspire to.)

 

[heavyg]

against my better judgement i'm going to address this post.

first, i don't need to tell rob anything. he has given more of himself than i think he should. he has played injured this whole season without complaint. he had serious injuries in the detroit game and no substitute was sent in, not even for one play. he has practiced when he couldn't even walk because of a high ankle sprain, then played an entire game against denver and the rest of the season. ( see j. jones if you want to know about an high ankle sprain.)

as far as his conditioning, he works extremely hard at it. he knows what needs to be done and will be at it shortly. i believe he is the only rookie linemen to start every game and play every offensive play in season and most offensive plays preseason. that has taken a huge toll along with the various injuries.

as far as being worthy, he has earned that star on his helmet. he got no special treatment and asked for none. if he wasn't the best option at the time, he would have been out of the line up. i think there are many factors in running a successful offensive and to say one player could singularly be responsible for its success or failure is wrong.

as far as that clip goes, he was extremely frustrated by his play at that point. he told me that the rams were holding him and the refs let it go. he lost his cool and allowed his frustration to show through. it has nothing to do with tucker.

Pitdawg, You should be VERY proud of your boy. Rob is a rookie. He made some rookie mistakes. Tucker on the other hand is a 3 yr vet. I bet Rob will look like an All-pro next year. Tell Rob to keep his head up and keep playing hard.

 

[Kilyin]

Tucker for all intents and purposes was a rookie as well. He never played LT so you can't consider either of them "veterans".

 

[RCowboyFan]

Tucker for all intents and purposes was a rookie as well. He never played LT so you can't consider either of them "veterans".

Agreed. Besides people need to remember where Tucker was and where he ended? Thats one of the biggest jumps I saw a Cowboys player make that I know of. I mean close to End TC, he was close to be being cut to starting as LT after Flo went down? Who would have imagined that during TC?

Tucker, if anything was inconsistant, a by product, like BP said, due to not knowing what to do all the time. I don't think it was entirely lack of athletic ability or strength etc. Although Tucker didn't have to deal with injuries like Petiti had to deal with, to be fair.

 

[Hostile]

Agreed. Besides people need to remember where Tucker was and where he ended? Thats one of the biggest jumps I saw a Cowboys player make that I know of. I mean close to End TC, he was close to be being cut to starting as LT after Flo went down? Who would have imagined that during TC?

Tucker, if anything was inconsistant, a by product, like BP said, due to not knowing what to do all the time. I don't think it was entirely lack of athletic ability or strength etc. Although Tucker didn't have to deal with injuries like Petiti had to deal with, to be fair.

Tucker should be glad his father isn't a member here. It might have been brutal.

:wink2:

 

[Kilyin]

Tucker should be glad his father isn't a member here. It might have been brutal.

:wink2:

Maybe he is, but he's too scared to post. Hi Mr. Tucker.

 

[Hostile]

Maybe he is, but he's too scared to post. Hi Mr. Tucker.

Wouldn't you be?

This would be me.

:zipit:

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

He's saying he's needs help. He's not *****ing or anything.

Yeah they both look like they want to be doing more and cant... I hope then CAN later... to some degree...