Lions to ask NFL to review unnecessary roughness penalty for tackle on Elliott

[Go Big D!]

I guess as long as you don't throw them down so that they land on their head....

Well that clears it all up. The lions fan are upset because Zeke wasn't thrown on his head and therefore clearly not a foul lol!


But seriously, Mike Pereira states, in this clip, that you cannot lift and throw a player. Nothing about after the whistle or forward progress being stopped just that you cannot lift and throw a player as I originally thought. And Aikman and Pereira seemed to believe it should have been flagged.

 

[Blackspider214]

No body slam should ever be a flag...

Doesn't matter what should or should not be a flag. It's clear as day in their rule book that you can't do it. The penalty was correct. Until the rule changes, no idea what their beef is.

 

[Wood]

I believe the flag was for a culmination of things.

He spent the first half in Zekes face after getting up from piles.

He was talked to about it the last time I noticed it

And even though the slam wasn't vicious the intent was obviously there.

Definitely deserved a flag.

Zeke tweeted about this. He said Robinson was playing dirty all game and it probably goes back to a bowl game in college. I agree it was cumulative penalty where the refs had enough and wanted Robinson to tone it down. But I don't think Zeke was slammed to ground unnecessarily.

 

[nathanlt]

Dez was clearly interfered with so offsetting penalties at most.

Yes, offsetting, exactly right. That would have been two plays in a row with offsetting penalties

 

[big dog cowboy]

It's against the rules to pick up and slam a running back to the ground. So it should have been a penality.

 

[thisiscowboyscountry]

To me there was intent to slam him, and was unnecessary. I have no issue with this penalty at all compared to those ticky tack penalities where a finger or hand graze a players helmet/facemas, or running into the kicker.

 

[Cowboys_22]

Robinson intended to body slam Zeke but Zeke softened the blow when he stuck his right leg out...it was a penalty...good call

 

[LocimusPrime]

I can't stand whiners unless I'm doing the whining.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

A long time ago (1981) the Lions beat the Boys by virtue of having 12 men on the field and no penalty was called. imo, the Lions have never paid for that mistake by the refs, so they can just $uc it up now......

 

[dallasdave]

This.....He obviously wasn't listening to the refs and was the last attempt to avoid something possibly worse. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what refs are supposed to do.

 

[dallasdave]

I can't stand whiners unless I'm doing the whining.

 

[nathanlt]

It's against the rules to pick up and slam a running back to the ground. So it should have been a penality.

It's only a penalty if the whistle has blown, according to the 2016 rules, as written. But who follows that? But, today, all of us state our opinion as law, even the NFL itself. Blandino needs to go, but before he does, hire someone who can write a rulebook!

 

[DallasEast]

It's only a penalty if the whistle has blown, according to the 2016 rules, as written. But who follows that? But, today, all of us state our opinion as law, even the NFL itself. Blandino needs to go, but before he does, hire someone who can write a rulebook!

Not necessarily. The penalty occurs after the ball is dead. The ball is dead once the runner's forward progress has stopped and that can occur regardless whether the whistle has or has not been blown. This particular penalty occurred as soon as Elliott was lifted off his feet because doing so stopped Elliott's forward progress.

Rule 7, Ball In Play, Dead Ball, Scrimmage, Section 2, Dead Ball, Article 1, Dead Ball Declared. An official will declare the ball dead and the down ended:

(b) when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends

I would love hearing Caldwell's thoughts of how it was a legal tackle any moment after Elliott was picked up off his feet in this particular instant.

 

[nathanlt]

Not necessarily. The penalty occurs after the ball is dead. The ball is dead once the runner's forward progress has stopped and that can occur regardless whether the whistle has or has not been blown. This particular penalty occurred as soon as Elliott was lifted off his feet because doing so stopped Elliott's forward progress.

Rule 7, Ball In Play, Dead Ball, Scrimmage, Section 2, Dead Ball, Article 1, Dead Ball Declared. An official will declare the ball dead and the down ended:

(b) when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends

I would love hearing Caldwell's thoughts of how it was a legal tackle any moment after Elliott was picked up off his feet in this particular instant.

The rule book says it was legal, Caldwell doesn't have to say a thing.
However, since the official didn't declare the ball dead until after Elliott hit the ground, its on them, by rule ... not a penalty. I want to say once again that I'm glad Elliott did not get injured. I also need to point out that it wasn't even a body slam, since the Lions player made contact with the ground first.

 

[DallasEast]

The rule book says it was legal, Caldwell doesn't have to say a thing.
However, since the official didn't declare the ball dead until after Elliott hit the ground, its on them, by rule ... not a penalty. I want to say once again that I'm glad Elliott did not get injured. I also need to point out that it wasn't even a body slam, since the Lions player made contact with the ground first.

Wait. What? You're saying there wasn't a penalty and that the rule book supports that it wasn't a penalty? Despite actual posts within this thread quoting the NFL rule book?

A declaration is a formality, whether stated verbally or simply by whistle. Plays are already over by whatever circumstance dictates their conclusion before a referee reacts.

Body slams DON'T happen if the person performing the body slam hits the ground (or mat) first?

 

[Derinyar]

Its a type of move that looks dirty and is going to get flagged more often then not. It wasn't necessary for the finishing of the play. It sounds like it was probably the culmination of things that lead to the penalty also.

Frankly, I'd expect us to get that flag too if one of our players did it. You protect the defensless player, and any player once removed from his feet is defensless, especially while wrapped up.

 

[nathanlt]

Wait. What? You're saying there wasn't a penalty and that the rule book supports that it wasn't a penalty? Despite actual posts within this thread quoting the NFL rule book?

A declaration is a formality, whether stated verbally or simply by whistle. Plays are already over by whatever circumstance dictates their conclusion before a referee reacts.

Body slams DON'T happen if the person performing the body slam hits the ground (or mat) first?

Yes, I think you've pretty much got it. The volume of posts on this board does not determine the written word of the rule book. See my post (#86) where I quote the rule book and explain why the penalty is conditional on the whistle being blown first.

Technically, by the written rule, a body slam (whether or not it was) is allowed before the whistle blows the play dead. Now, the NFL has the opportunity to remove the conditional element if they want to. Maybe they will, but as far as 2016 rules go... not a penalty.