Lions to ask NFL to review unnecessary roughness penalty for tackle on Elliott

[Cowboys22]

I'm very familiar with the rules, it was not an illegal tackle, he was not body slammed, it was a piss pour call

He absolutely was body slammed. It doesn't matter one bit how hard he hits the ground. Once you have him up, you cannot turn him sideways and attempt to slam him down. Both of those things were done thus the penalty. It was the only call that could have been made because there is a rule specifically saying you cannot do exactly what the defender did. It's not hard to understand. I can see being old school and thinking it shouldn't be against the rules but there is no way any clear thinking person can watch the play, understand the rule, and conclude it wasn't a penalty under the current rules.

 

[BRoni]

I'm really surprised that some are saying it was clean. It was cut and dry. He clearly intended to body slam him and you are not allowed to pick a player up and slam him. I knew it was a penalty as soon as it happened. Whether you agree that it should be a penalty is another issue, but it is the current rule and way it is called. All that he needed to do was wrap him up and drag him to the ground.

 

[TheHerd]

I'm very familiar with the rules, it was not an illegal tackle, he was not body slammed, it was a piss pour call

You may not like the rule, and I'd agree with you. Just like I hate the rule that doesn't allow a DE to even graze the helmet of a QB. But it's the rule.

NFL is way erring on the side of protection of players and against keeping the game overly physical, so this play is definitely illegal under the current parameters.

 

[BRoni]

You may not like the rule, and I'd agree with you. Just like I hate the rule that doesn't allow a DE to even graze the helmet of a QB. But it's the rule.

NFL is way erring on the side of protection of players and against keeping the game overly physical, so this play is definitely illegal under the current parameters.

I disagree with a lot that the league does, but this rule I actually have no issue with. You really just don't need to pick a player up and slam him to tackle him. It is pretty much always done out of frustration or because the player is trying to prove a point which is unnecessary and could end up injuring a player for no reason.

 

[TheHerd]

I disagree with a lot that the league does, but this rule I actually have no issue with. You really just don't need to pick a player up and slam him to tackle him. It is pretty much always done out of frustration or because the player is trying to prove a point which is unnecessary and could end up injuring a player for no reason.

I just don't think you need a specific rule to cover this. I'm too old school I guess.

And I think the PI call against the Lions at the 2 or so with Dez was BS, btw. I like to let em play a bit. If Dez had fought back for the ball and the defender pushed him away, maybe then it's a valid PI.

 

[Plankton]

I think it's actually a good rule. Otherwise you're going to get players power bombed to the turf. It's completely unnecessary to tackle that way and you can't claim to be about player safety and allow that to happen.

 

[windward]

I thought it was going to be a flag real-time when it happened. Though I will say that Elliott's leg coming down first took some of the impact out of the body slam.

Either way, it's academic. On a side note, I don't think I've ever seen a whinier bunch of ref-blaming fans that Detroit Lions fans. Collectively, they're pathetic.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that has noticed this.

 

[DandyDon52]

Yup, that was a good call by the official. The announcers were annoying to piss and moan about it. They had their heads up their butts.

Well they and us see the slow mo replays, etc, the refs have to make the call at real speed, real time.
So it looked like a slam, so it got called.

I dont know if it could be challenged, but if so caldwell should have thrown the flag.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

I didn't think it should've been flagged. He picked him up but he didn't slam him at all.

He tried to but ended up with Zeke falling on him. Go back and watch it. He clearly intended to body slam him. This is where I think ref's should go to the coach and player and give them a warning that if it happens again they will eject the player and penalize the team. It doesn't seem like this approach is used with players who are clearly trying to hurt someone on the field.

 

[The Quest for Six]

He absolutely was body slammed. It doesn't matter one bit how hard he hits the ground. Once you have him up, you cannot turn him sideways and attempt to slam him down. Both of those things were done thus the penalty. It was the only call that could have been made because there is a rule specifically saying you cannot do exactly what the defender did. It's not hard to understand. I can see being old school and thinking it shouldn't be against the rules but there is no way any clear thinking person can watch the play, understand the rule, and conclude it wasn't a penalty under the current rules.

since both announcers calling the game stated it was a horrible call, I'm in good company with it being a ridiculous call

 

[Gameover]

I thought it was going to be a flag real-time when it happened. Though I will say that Elliott's leg coming down first took some of the impact out of the body slam.

Either way, it's academic. On a side note, I don't think I've ever seen a whinier bunch of ref-blaming fans that Detroit Lions fans. Collectively, they're pathetic.

It's not just Lions fans. Let the people on Twitter tell it, we won 13 because we had the refs in our pocket. One guy said Dallas always gets sweetheart calls. I asked him about the games we got 10 penalties(Pitt), 11(Eagles), 7(Pack), he replied: what about the other 12 games. Jeez

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Well they and us see the slow mo replays, etc, the refs have to make the call at real speed, real time.
So it looked like a slam, so it got called.

I dont know if it could be challenged, but if so caldwell should have thrown the flag.

A penalty cannot be challenged. IMO the league should let coaches challenge them, but they don't.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

It's not just Lions fans. Let the people on Twitter tell it, we won 13 because we had the refs in our pocket. One guy said Dallas always gets sweetheart calls. I asked him about the games we got 10 penalties(Pitt), 11(Eagles), 7(Pack), he replied: what about the other 12 games. Jeez

Some people are just idiots. In every game in the NFL, there are some blown calls and some calls that are right, but that fans erroneously believe are blown. The fans of a particular team are usually very biased toward whatever favors their team. There is no grand conspiracy to help the Cowboys or any other team.

 

[Go Big D!]

Well I see not even our own fans can agree on the rule. I'm actually confused about this one. I don't know why, but I was under the impression that you could not lift a player off the ground and take them to the ground in an effort to tackle them. I don't mean a blatant body slam, which in my opionion this was, but I thought I recalled something specific to the act of picking a player up and their feet leaving the ground. I did attempt to look for it but stopped searching the rulebook after I started going cross eyed.

In my opinion, there is no doubt this is unnecessary roughness and a flagrant foul. I haven't come to this conclusion simply because I'm a Cowboys' fan. It is just blatantly obvious to me that he picked Zeke up and even used his left knee to assist him in leverage to get him higher off the ground before twisting to slam him intentionally with force.

I actually love a good clean hard hitting tackle that you can hear and feel, in your living room, through the tv screen. But this isn't one of them. It has nothing to do with wussification of the NFL which I do believe is occurring. This type of takedown just should not be allowed if we are genuinely concerned with player safety.

On a side note: I can't believe the crying that their fans and media are doing over this. They act like this call is what decided the outcome of the game. The Cowboys completely dominated them in the second half and there was no chance that they would mount anything that resembled a comeback. Lol.

This site carried on and on about the injustice of the call. They supplied gifs from every angle, clips of the rule, explanation of why they think it's wrong, everything but a pie chart..

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/www....ons-body-slam-illegal-rulebook-replay-penalty

 

[Idgit]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that has noticed this.

They're giant babies. Which is weird, because they mostly are from Detroit, and I don't think of Detroit as a place that's populated by babies. If you're still there and haven't been shot or driven out by the economic collapse, I assume you must be able to hold your water. Quite the opposite.

 

[DandyDon52]

A penalty cannot be challenged. IMO the league should let coaches challenge them, but they don't.

I think any play should be challengeable, I mean they only get 2 per game , let them use them on whatever.

 

[DandyDon52]

since both announcers calling the game stated it was a horrible call, I'm in good company with it being a ridiculous call

a couple of bozo's watching it in slow mo several times isnt the same as live as it happens.
it should be review-able

 

[The Quest for Six]

a couple of bozo's watching it in slow mo several times isnt the same as live as it happens.
it should be review-able

so Gruden, a Superbowl head coach is a bozo now.....review-able, yeah, right..... that's what we need more stoppages in a game that's full of stoppages and commercials as it is...

 

[Reverend Conehead]

so Gruden, a Superbowl head coach is a bozo now.....review-able, yeah, right..... that's what we need more stoppages in a game that's full of stoppages and commercials as it is...

It would not make more stoppages because the HC would still have the same number of challenges as before.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

so Gruden, a Superbowl head coach is a bozo now.....review-able, yeah, right..... that's what we need more stoppages in a game that's full of stoppages and commercials as it is...

There are countless ex-players, GMs, SB coaches and HOFers that say stupid shyte while playing the role of TV analyst,,, they're far from infallible and often say things they don't even believe when they're sitting in a booth putting on a show. Troy Aikman says "Hi".