Lions to ask NFL to review unnecessary roughness penalty for tackle on Elliott

[roughneck266]

Those guys ALWAYS whine when they lose. By the book it's a penalty. It's really as simple as that. Book doesn't say it's only a penalty if you had malicious intent, it says dont do that, or we will give the other team 15 yards. I dont like the rule. I dont like a lot of the rules they have in there. But they are there usually as a result of some stomach turning injury, such as the horse collar rule from Roy Williams.

 

[The Quest for Six]

There are countless ex-players, GMs, SB coaches and HOFers that say stupid shyte while playing the role of TV analyst,,, they're far from infallible and often say things they don't even believe when they're sitting in a booth putting on a show. Troy Aikman says "Hi".

it's not a show and they aren't playing a role, it's called analysis from a perspective of a coach and or player, unlike you, they don't watch games with their rose colored glasses on and pompoms in their hands...it was a garbage call, it was a tackle, nobody was slammed to the turf

 

[Dhragon]

It goes back to 2014 and the face guarding by Hitchens. But, yeah, they alternately think they have a better team than they do, blaming the refs for all their losses, and fall apart at the first sign of difficulty and want to lose out, referring to themselves as the LOLions.

Though, in fairness to them, playing in a division with GB probably would condition you to questioning refereeing a fair bit.

Went over to their board the next day after we won and read their game thread. Wow, I've never seen as big a bunch of whiners.

As we all know, you could call holding on every single play. Well, they really expected the refs to do so when it was us on offense. Just about every play they were whining a holding call wasn't called.

Usually I try and stick up for fans of other teams when one of our members quote something outrageous and seem to imply all or most of their fans feel the same way. But lots of Lions fans really are just whiners. It was non-stop Refs are in the Cowboy's pockets over at the forum I went to. Not just one or two posters either, lots of them. Unreal.

 

[Dhragon]

so Gruden, a Superbowl head coach is a bozo now.....review-able, yeah, right..... that's what we need more stoppages in a game that's full of stoppages and commercials as it is...

I personally think there should be no free challenges but instead any challenge should cost a time out, win or lose that challenge. You have a time out left, then you can spend it to challenge a play/call. That way the only extra time these extra challenges take up are those above and beyond the time a normal T/O would take. Most times, that would not be much if any extra time and more suspect calls could get overturned (unless Blandino gets involved and his mob connections tell him what to do

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

That play was dirty as hell. Zekes response was perfect he said he's still bitter from when they beat Auburn

 

[nathanlt]

[Rule 12, section 2, article 6, footnote f].

There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to:

(f) throwing the runner to the ground after the ball is dead

Great quote, I read the same thing. However, notice the phrase "after the ball is dead", that means throwing the player to the ground is a conditional penalty, which I am surprised at. Nevertheless, the whistle blew AFTER Elliott hit the ground. One the one hand, I'm glad the officials would call a penalty to protect a Cowboys player, but by rule, the whistle had not blown when Elliott was thrown to the ground. So, the phrase you quoted did not apply, "by rule". However, if the ref had blown the whistle earlier, it would have been a legitimate penalty.

Even article 7, section 4 says.
It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player
who is in a defenseless posture.
4) A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped.

Even that, he did not initiate contact, he had already initiated contact earlier, he was just finishing the tackle.

Nothing to see here, except this video which shows that the whistle was blown late.

 

[loublue22]

I thought it was textbook, and no its not a silly rule. Many RBS are on the short side, you can have huge d lineman picking them up off the ground and throwing them down.

And Sean McDonough is an idiot for his histrionics after the play, that only added fuel to the fire for whiny Lions fans still mad about 2 years ago (which they were also wrong about).

 

[nathanlt]

I thought it was textbook, and no its not a silly rule. Many RBS are on the short side, you can have huge d lineman picking them up off the ground and throwing them down.

And Sean McDonough is an idiot for his histrionics after the play, that only added fuel to the fire for whiny Lions fans still mad about 2 years ago (which they were also wrong about).

Yes, I agree about the call two years ago, that was not pass interference. In fact, the Lions TE grabbed Hitchens face mask. On a related note, Dez should have been called for a face mask on his amazing TD catch Monday night.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Yes, I agree about the call two years ago, that was not pass interference. In fact, the Lions TE grabbed Hitchens face mask. On a related note, Dez should have been called for a face mask on his amazing TD catch Monday night.

Dez was clearly interfered with so offsetting penalties at most.

 

[drawandstrike]

How in the world Robinson gets flagged for picking Zeke up, turning him sideways and trying to slam him down to the field draws a flag, but THIS was picked up is beyond me.

Watch Foster of the Commanders suplex Lance Dunbar the last time we played them:



I guess as long as you don't throw them down so that they land on their head....

 

[Bullflop]

It was clear that the intent was there, although it didn't have the desired effect for the dastardly villain!

 

[Plankton]

 

[DandyDon52]

It would not make more stoppages because the HC would still have the same number of challenges as before.

lol exactly ! I guess he forgot only 2 challenges.

 

[Idgit]

Went over to their board the next day after we won and read their game thread. Wow, I've never seen as big a bunch of whiners.

As we all know, you could call holding on every single play. Well, they really expected the refs to do so when it was us on offense. Just about every play they were whining a holding call wasn't called.

Usually I try and stick up for fans of other teams when one of our members quote something outrageous and seem to imply all or most of their fans feel the same way. But lots of Lions fans really are just whiners. It was non-stop Refs are in the Cowboy's pockets over at the forum I went to. Not just one or two posters either, lots of them. Unreal.

Yep. It's one or two standard deviations from normal fan whining behavior. Funny.

 

[DandyDon52]

so Gruden, a Superbowl head coach is a bozo now.....review-able, yeah, right..... that's what we need more stoppages in a game that's full of stoppages and commercials as it is...

Anyone can be a bozo lol.
Gruden said cowboys who have alfred morris a 1500 yd rusher for the wash Commanders !!
I though wow G that was like 6 years ago and it doesnt matter what team he did it with.

His announcing is pretty choppy and bad, he knows football, but sounds dumb trying to announce it.
And he said this was a horrible call, but it wasnt, it was maybe not right but certainly not horrible.

 

[DandyDon52]

I personally think there should be no free challenges but instead any challenge should cost a time out, win or lose that challenge. You have a time out left, then you can spend it to challenge a play/call. That way the only extra time these extra challenges take up are those above and beyond the time a normal T/O would take. Most times, that would not be much if any extra time and more suspect calls could get overturned (unless Blandino gets involved and his mob connections tell him what to do

not a bad idea.

 

[DandyDon52]

Went over to their board the next day after we won and read their game thread. Wow, I've never seen as big a bunch of whiners.

As we all know, you could call holding on every single play. Well, they really expected the refs to do so when it was us on offense. Just about every play they were whining a holding call wasn't called.

Usually I try and stick up for fans of other teams when one of our members quote something outrageous and seem to imply all or most of their fans feel the same way. But lots of Lions fans really are just whiners. It was non-stop Refs are in the Cowboy's pockets over at the forum I went to. Not just one or two posters either, lots of them. Unreal.

Well when you lose, those bad calls and no calls jump out at you , and some get obsessed with them.
Heck many fans of dallas are still upset over the no catch call at GB.

Thing is I see stuff every game, and I wonder why some are not called. on either team.
Then the ones they do call, are sometimes so trivial that I wonder why they would call that.

I know Ref'ing is not as easy as it looks.
I dont think I could do it , I would want to watch the play not my area, they are out in elements with players. have to run around,
and they can only look at one thing, or a general area, and may look for certain things at times.
They have to call it just seeing it real time, and with fumbles and some catches, out of bounds td's, I dont see how they
do it and get it right most of the time.
Some times I am watch on tv and I cant tell on first look live.
So it is a hard job, and nfl rules dont make it easy on them , it makes it harder.
They do a good job, but they need a Ref up in booth that can overrule refs on field if they mess up.

 

[Beast_from_East]

They lost by 3TDs and they are acting like this play is why they lost?

Wow

 

[DandyDon52]

They lost by 3TDs and they are acting like this play is why they lost?

Wow

2 penaltys, helped dallas score at least 2 td's.
They went from punting or fg try to a td pass after one.

I know how they feel, 21-21 at half, your team could wrap up div or playoff spot, then 0-21 2nd half, and now they have to beat GB !
If they lose to GB they are out of playoffs !
So losing to Dallas was a big deal to the lions and their fans.

If the situation were reversed, we would be bummed out and whining too.

 

[Nova]

Great quote, I read the same thing. However, notice the phrase "after the ball is dead", that means throwing the player to the ground is a conditional penalty, which I am surprised at. Nevertheless, the whistle blew AFTER Elliott hit the ground. One the one hand, I'm glad the officials would call a penalty to protect a Cowboys player, but by rule, the whistle had not blown when Elliott was thrown to the ground. So, the phrase you quoted did not apply, "by rule". However, if the ref had blown the whistle earlier, it would have been a legitimate penalty.

Even article 7, section 4 says.
It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player
who is in a defenseless posture.
4) A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped.

Even that, he did not initiate contact, he had already initiated contact earlier, he was just finishing the tackle.

Nothing to see here, except this video which shows that the whistle was blown late.

The whistle was blown after the slam. The ref on the field got that part wrong.

But the slam was definitely after forward progress was stopped and was definitely not "finishing the tackle".

There's a clear point when he keeps lifting Elliott higher where it's pretty evident the motion is unnecessary.

Again, I wouldn't be in uproar if there was no call there, but I'm not sure why people are so miffed by this.