Live Well and Prosper Michael Vick

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BAZ;3598480 said:
Yes they can, cattle are killed for food, those dogs were killed for entertainment. If he ate the canines afterwards you may have a point. But it hasn't come out yet so....


Talking about the hammer hitting the nail on the head! I concur 100%
 

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Abusing animals and/or killing them is a sign of a sociopath. I just think hes saying the right words for all to think hes rehabilated.
This wasnt a one time thing for him it was something that went on for years. Playing in the NFL is a privelage not a right.
He never should have gotten the privelage to play again.
As far as his injury goes....sometimes the world has its own way of evening thing out.
 

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Achilleslastand;3598591 said:
Abusing animals and/or killing them is a sign of a sociopath. I just think hes saying the right words for all to think hes rehabilated.
This wasnt a one time thing for him it was something that went on for years. Playing in the NFL is a privelage not a right.
He never should have gotten the privelage to play again.
As far as his injury goes....sometimes the world has its own way of evening thing out.

the man did his time. Geeesh. He lost a lot. Money, respect, and will never shed the stigma. Let it go already guys....
 

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NIBGoldenchild;3598467 said:
Funny how people can view dogs on equal level as humans. Or take it so personally about what Vick did. IMO, it's no different than how cattle is killed for food, and anyone that knows how that process goes cannot say it's any worse than how Vick & co. killed those dogs.
you are extremely ill informed cause no reasonably informed person would type what you just did and then post it, and thats just giving you the benefit of a doubt that you are not the same type of person vick is.
 

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Dough Boy;3599151 said:
the man did his time. Geeesh. He lost a lot. Money, respect, and will never shed the stigma. Let it go already guys....
he did not lose nearly enough
 

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SkinsandTerps;3598362 said:
Based on what ?

I am a teacher and if I did what Vick did and went to jail for two years, there is no way I would have ever been allowed back in a classroom teaching kids.
 

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djtavo;3598481 said:
So true, Vick got more attention than when Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte Stallworth killed a human.


This. A thousand times this.

Dante Stallworth got suspended for a year for killing a person, pretty sure he got a DUI too. No jail time.

Vick went to jail for TWO years, and lost a fortune. For making animals fight. A sport popular in many other countries, not that I agree with it.

If you don't think 2 years in prison is a long time, you have no idea what you're talking about sorry.
 

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Tom [Giants fan];3599561 said:
I am a teacher and if I did what Vick did and went to jail for two years, there is no way I would have ever been allowed back in a classroom teaching kids.


Good. Thankfully, Vick plays football, and doesn't teach a classroom. Otherwise I might have a problem with him getting rehired.
 

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Teren_Kanan;3599697 said:
If you don't think 2 years in prison is a long time, you have no idea what you're talking about sorry.

Explain what you mean by this?
 

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Stallworth had no intention of killing or hurting anyone- he was stupid.

Vick ENJOYED killing and abusing ANIMALS FOR YEARS. Anyone who cannot see the difference is a moron.
 

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Tom [Giants fan];3599561 said:
I am a teacher and if I did what Vick did and went to jail for two years, there is no way I would have ever been allowed back in a classroom teaching kids.

Only if you crossed state lines like he did.
 

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burmafrd;3599734 said:
Stallworth had no intention of killing or hurting anyone- he was stupid.

Vick ENJOYED killing and abusing ANIMALS FOR YEARS. Anyone who cannot see the difference is a moron.


The man who Stallworth hit ran across the road at night time trying to catch a bus. This could have happened to anybody, whether you drank or not. The fact that he was drunk makes it sound worse but the truth is the guy who got hit was just as much at fault as was Stallworth.
 

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BAZ;3598480 said:
Yes they can, cattle are killed for food, those dogs were killed for entertainment. If he ate the canines afterwards you may have a point. But it hasn't come out yet so....

I wasn't talking about his reasons, I was talking about method. There are much simpler, less painful ways for cows and pigs to be killed for food but nevertheless, pigs are still slaughtered while squealing because they're still alive and cows are still having their skulls bashed numerous times.

On the flip side, I agree with you. What Vick did was disgusting and heinous. Where we differ is that I think people can change, and neither one of us knows the man well enough to know whether he really has or not. Just let him be until he shows us otherwise.
 

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rkell87;3599187 said:
you are extremely ill informed cause no reasonably informed person would type what you just did and then post it, and thats just giving you the benefit of a doubt that you are not the same type of person vick is.

Your post states nothing, and doesn't counter anything I said beyond making a lame attempt at calling me a dog fighter/killer. Never done it, never will, not that stating so stops you from insinuating further....
 

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burmafrd;3599734 said:
Stallworth had no intention of killing or hurting anyone- he was stupid.

Vick ENJOYED killing and abusing ANIMALS FOR YEARS. Anyone who cannot see the difference is a moron.

Well here we go. The whole "if you don't agree with me I must insult you" argument.

I not only see the difference but I still feel Stallworth was worse. He knew the risk of drinking and driving before he got behind the wheel, an actual human being is dead with a grieving family left to pick up the pieces, and Stallworth basically gets off scot free.

That one human's life > every dog Vick tortured/killed x3.
 

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rkell87;3599188 said:
he did not lose nearly enough

He went through the legal system. He lost what the courts took away. And what he kept, you have to fault our countries bankruptcy laws, not Vick. He did the crime. He did the time. What more do people want?

And he lost more than Big Ben. Vick killed dogs. Thats a horrible thing. Ben rapped someone's daughter. Thats worse in my mind. What did Ben lose?
 

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burmafrd;3599734 said:
Stallworth had no intention of killing or hurting anyone- he was stupid.

Vick ENJOYED killing and abusing ANIMALS FOR YEARS. Anyone who cannot see the difference is a moron.

So you are saying the man that kills 15 people because he thought he was making a fake bomb, but turns out it was a real bomb is not as bad as the man that makes the same bomb with the intent to kill 15. In the end, they both took 15 lifes.

Just as an FYI, and I'm not bashing you or Stallworth: The fact is, Stallworth knowingly got behind the wheel of car while is was intoxicated and high. I have to beleive that Stallworth new he was drunk and high. I also have to beleive that he weighed his options and concluded that he was fit to drive even though he was drunk and high. So in many ways, Stallworth knew he was breaking the law. He also knew that there was a chance that an accident might occur.

Both did wrong. Stallworth killed a person. Vick killed animals. Both are facts. Both should be punished for their crimes. Once both have served their punishment, they should be free to continue their lifes. If that is not the case, our penial system needs to be revamped. By the way, I'm in favor of revamping, but until it is, both deserve the right to move forward as they did what the penial system required of them.
 

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Dough Boy;3600255 said:
So you are saying the man that kills 15 people because he thought he was making a fake bomb,


Who makes a fake bomb?

Dough Boy;3600246 said:
And he lost more than Big Ben. Vick killed dogs. Thats a horrible thing. Ben rapped someone's daughter. Thats worse in my mind. What did Ben lose?

But he wasn't convicted.
 

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What Vick did was show cruelty for entertainment and profit. Yes people are not going to like him hell some did not like him before that dating back to his Ron Mexico days and some other incidents he got into.

I don't know any person who thinks killing humans is somehow less than killing an animal but it was the outright cruelty of the act of dog fighting which is appalling. Vick did his time and got back his career but that is not going to change the mind of many people about his character
 

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BAZ;3600284 said:
Who makes a fake bomb?



But he wasn't convicted.

It was a hypothetical to make a point. And Rothlisberger excuse is so lame. He rapped the girl. Most people know that. I try you one better. OJ was found guilty. You think that means he did not do it????? take a stab at that one. (no pun intended)

LMAO
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