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[Baileyneverfailey]

the only think anyone will remember Sean Taylor is for dirty hits and dying

I'm sorry, but that's the way it is

Just my opinion, but a post like that is a little more in line from what I expect from the skins fans at ES. Just a little classless.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Classy, just classy.

really, what did Sean Taylor do as a pro? he had one good, half year

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think the argument was that Owens never played well against ST because he was terrified of him. That still holds true and always will.

I always looked for that, but when they played in the second game of '06 at FedEx (the Troy Vincent blocked field goal game) Owens was actually playing very well and would've had a monster game had he not dropped that one long bomb. Taylor was nowhere in sight in that game and Owens still had a solid game and the drop was due to the hand injury he suffered earlier in the year.

It's kind of like Skins fans talking about DeMarcus Ware "never doing anything against us" because Ware has a lot of respect for Chris Samuels. When the fact of the matter is that Ware has 4 sacks in his last 4 games against the Skins. In Owens' case, just because you shy away from getting blasted doesn't mean you are terrified to play against a player.

You could say the same thing for Terry Glenn who didn't feel like having a possible career ending injury after a bad pass by Drew Bledsoe which would've led to Taylor destroying Glenn. It still doesn't take away from Glenn generally playing very well against the Skins.




YAKUZA

 

[Sonny#9]

really, what did Sean Taylor do as a pro? he had one good, half year

This will be my only post to you on this subject -- at the time of his death, Taylor was turning into one of the best Safties in the NFC, if not the league. He had matured and put behind him the problems of his first few years in the league. That's a fact -- whether he had was Commander or not.

 

[Sonny#9]

You could say the same thing for Terry Glenn who didn't feel like having a possible career ending injury after a bad pass by Drew Bledsoe which would've led to Taylor destroying Glenn. It still doesn't take away from Glenn generally playing very well against the Skins.

You could make a much stronger case for Glenn then TO -- he always seemed to get the dropsies when Taylor was around...and then there is the famous alligator arms from '05...

 

[Rampage]

This will be my only post to you on this subject -- at the time of his death, Taylor was turning into one of the best Safties in the NFC, if not the league. He had matured and put behind him the problems of his first few years in the league. That's a fact -- whether he had was Commander or not.

he was having a good season but you can't say he was "turning into one of the best safeties in the League when in 2006 he was garbage. in 2006 that guy was worse than Roy Williams in coverage.

 

[erich1r]

Washington times.com under first down i think it's the 2nd page

 

[Sonny#9]

he was having a good season but you can't say he was "turning into one of the best safeties in the League when in 2006 he was garbage. in 2006 that guy was worse than Roy Williams in coverage.

I can't? Why not? It's not possible for a player to make a big jump after a disappointing year?

Didn't Newman do that very thing after a very disappointing sophmore year in the league?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I can't? Why not? It's not possible for a player to make a big jump after a disappointing year?

Didn't Newman do that very thing after a very disappointing sophmore year in the league?

he wasn't that bad that year, and unlike Sean Taylor, was a good pro before then

 

[Rampage]

I can't? Why not? It's not possible for a player to make a big jump after a disappointing year?

Didn't Newman do that very thing after a very disappointing sophmore year in the league?

Newman has been playing at a high level for the last 3 years though. taylor did it for half of last season.

 

[AdamJT13]

Didn't Newman do that very thing after a very disappointing sophmore year in the league?

No. Newman was outstanding as a rookie, mostly very good as a sophomore and great in every other season. Newman's sophomore year still was better than most cornerbacks that season.

Taylor's 2006 season was possibly the worst by any safety of the past 15 years.

 

[Sonny#9]

Newman has been playing at a high level for the last 3 years though. taylor did it for half of last season.

So it's a complete and unrealistic stretch to think Taylor could have the same thing? He certainly had the talent and freakish athleticism. (And I'll tell you what -- put Mike Rumph, Kenny Wright, and Adam Archuleta with Ken Hamlin, we'll see how good he looks, mkay? So enough with 2006 -- Taylor had nothing around him.)

I think you'd be hard pressed to find three safeties in the NFL that were playing better then Taylor at the time of his death.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So it's a complete and unrealistic stretch to think Taylor could have the same thing? He certainly had the talent and freakish athleticism. (And I'll tell you what -- put Mike Rumph, Kenny Wright, and Adam Archuleta with Ken Hamlin, we'll see how good he looks, mkay? So enough with 2006 -- Taylor had nothing around him.)

I think you'd be hard pressed to find three safeties in the NFL that were playing better then Taylor at the time of his death.

fellow secondary players have no impact on the play of a FS

typically, being a Commander fan, you don't understand football

 

[Sonny#9]

fellow secondary players have no impact on the play of a FS

typically, being a Commander fan, you don't understand football

Ok, please elaborate...

You know, better yet, save it. You are the type of fan that just needs to be ignored -- a Cowboy's version of tr1

 

[Rampage]

So it's a complete and unrealistic stretch to think Taylor could have the same thing? He certainly had the talent and freakish athleticism. (And I'll tell you what -- put Mike Rumph, Kenny Wright, and Adam Archuleta with Ken Hamlin, we'll see how good he looks, mkay? So enough with 2006 -- Taylor had nothing around him.)

I think you'd be hard pressed to find three safeties in the NFL that were playing better then Taylor at the time of his death.

you're probably right. but saying he was on his way to being one of the best safeties in the league(when he was known for being a hitter also) after seeing 7-8 consistent games is foolish. cause in 06 he was one of the worst in the league. in 05 he played ok. I don't remember what he did in 04.

 

[burmafrd]

Newman had a meniscus injury early on in 2004. That was the primary reason he was not as good= though by the end of the season he was back ontop again.

 

[burmafrd]

Considering how much Taylor stank the previous year all he did was make it back to .500

 

[Sonny#9]

you're probably right. but saying he was on his way to being one of the best safeties in the league(when he was known for being a hitter also) after seeing 7-8 consistent games is foolish. cause in 06 he was one of the worst in the league. in 05 he played ok. I don't remember what he did in 04.

04 was his rookie year he was a rookie, flashes of good play, flashes of rookie mistakes.

05 he was more then 'ok'

06 no pass rush, no one around him, he's going to look bad.

07 -- like it or not he was playing like a top saftey. Period. He was putting his physical tools together. Like it or not. He did in 9 games what Pro Bowl saftey Hamlin did in 16.

 

[Dallas]

What do you expect Sonny? This isn't ES.COM where we peer through the rose tinted glasses and declare ourselves champions every year.

That is what YOU guys do OVER there.

You know this is Cowboys board? You aren't going to get some huge ringing endorsement for Taylor here.

Was he special? Nope. Was he a game changer? On occasion w/ his hits he has helped some. I still don't think he was that special player.


I just don't know what you want folks here to tell you bro.

Taylor was not a great safety. Good - yes. Solid? Fine- he was solid.

You forget where you are me thinks.


I don't think Bob Sac was intentionally trying to be classless. I think he made a valid point. Taylors death was huge because he was a well known player in the league and was murdered. People remember that.

He also pointed out that Taylor was slightly above average if you base it over his whole career. He was not wrong in saying that.

 

[Sonny#9]

What do you expect Sonny? This isn't ES.COM where we peer through the rose tinted glasses and declare ourselves champions every year.

On that note, I bid this thread adieu. I don't expect a lot of leeway here, the main argument against Taylor is "but he sucked in 2006!" Really, there is no more point in continuing this discussion...

Cowboys fans don't proclaim themselves champions every year...that's funny...Every fan base has fans that think they're going to win it every year. It's not specific to Commanders or Cowboys or Giants or Eagles fans.