Looking Back: Tyron Smith or JJ Watt?

KJJ

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actually it is very much to the point. You slobber all over the place about how obvious it is that Watt is the greatest player in the NFL.

Yet you are so football knowledge deficient you could not see how obvious it was how great Romo was when faced with all he had to deal with.

All Watt has to do is get past a O lineman to achieve something.

Romo has to have blocking, a good play call, RBs and WRs and others doing their jobs for him to do his. All that BEFORE he does anything himself. Oh by the way also call audibles as well.

What does Watt have to do? Just beat a O lineman. Not much else. And he does not have to rely on anyone else either.

So maybe its not surprising that you do not have the capability to recognize something that intricate and complex.

You just accused someone of slobbering all over Drew Brees because they showed him some respect that's how predictable you are. I'm surprised you didn't call him a Romo hater and to head over to a Saints board. Here you are bringing Romo into this debate because it's all part of your agenda. I've made myself very clear why I would swap Tyron for Watt. Now take your agenda/anger issues over to someone else and waste their time.
 

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Not concerned with what it takes to make the HOF or Pro bowls for players only what a sack is worth to the defense.
A sack on 4th and 5 with the game on the line late in the 4th quarter is patently far more valuable than one on 1st and 10 in the 1st quarter. Players can't control when their sacks, or any other types of plays, come. Although it did seem like Charles Haley could summon that talent in his glory days.
I think the best way to measure the value of a sack is by first down likelihood. On a third down the sack typically forces a kick, which can be a field goal attempt or a punt. 1st down and 2nd down sacks change the chances for a 1st down conversion in less direct way. A sack results in an average loss of 5.2 yards.
A 1st down and 10 results in another 1st down 67% of the time, a sack that forces a 2nd and 15 changes the chance to 38%. A sack on 2nd and 5, that forces a 3rd and 10, changes the chance of a 1st down from 75% to 35%. A sack drops an offense's chances of converting a 1st down by roughly 30 %(easy to remember). We can apply the very same principle to any plays for a loss. The effect of a 3-yard loss on a run is very similar to that of a 3-yard sack, but not identical. A runner is normally in a protective mode for the ball whereas a QB must be more vulnerable for what he needs to achieve.
Field position is important. A sack near the 35 yard line can put a team outside of field goal range, forcing a punt. In other cases, it might force a longer more difficult FG kick. Just appraising the obvious.
If we average the expected points of all situations in which there wasn't a sack, and compare it with the average expected points following plays that did result in a sack, we get a difference of 2.0 points. In effect, a sack swings the balance of the game by an average of 2 points in favor of the defense, either by forcing a punt or a longer FG attempt, or even just putting a team in a expected passing circumstance. Big power for a single play. A turnover is typically worth 4 points, so a sack could be recognized as half as exceptional as a fumble or interception.
One reason sacks are so valuable as you stated is that they often result in fumbles. Even if a quarterback isn't tackled, if he's coerced to fumble, even just by a hair, that's technically counted as a sack. So when we take fumbles out of the equation, sacks are worth an average of 1.7 anticipated points. It's the probability of a fumble that makes up the extra 0.3 points.
So I state once again all sacks are not equal and is not a good way to define a player. How many are cleanup sacks remember...

I've said all that needs to be said on this topic not about to endure a marathon over it. Too many things we don't agree on to waste anymore time with this.
 

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You just accused someone of slobbering all over Drew Brees because they showed him some respect that's how predictable you are. I'm surprised you didn't call him a Romo hater and to head over to a Saints board. Here you are bringing Romo into this debate because it's all part of your agenda. I've made myself very clear why I would swap Tyron for Watt. Now take your agenda/anger issues over to someone else and waste their time.

you do realize how many laugh at you and have laughed at you for a long time right? I enjoy watching you contort yourself- knowing how amusing it is to so many. Keep it up. We need a laugh.
 

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I've said all that needs to be said on this topic not about to endure a marathon over it. Too many things we don't agree on to waste anymore time with this.

I understand.
 

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you do realize how many laugh at you and have laughed at you for a long time right? I enjoy watching you contort yourself- knowing how amusing it is to so many. Keep it up. We need a laugh.

Of course I realize it, it's been going on for 25 years hope it continues because the day they stop laughing will signify my day has come and gone. What I realize here as I'm sure many others do is that you have an agenda and repeat the same crap to a lot of posters on this board. You post the same exact comments to everyone you don't like or disagree with. If they show any respect for an opposing player you claim they're slobbering over them. If they have any criticisms of Romo's play during a poor performance you claim they're Romo haters. You claim everyone is laughing at them when in reality everyone is rolling their eyes at you and your tiring agenda. No one takes anything you have say seriously so give it a rest!
 
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