Looking Back: Tyron Smith or JJ Watt?

[burmafrd]

It's not about who won the game it's about who would you rather have Watt or Tyron? The Cowboys wouldn't have won that game had it not been Romo eluding Watt on that play and throwing the TD. Watt abusing Tyron on that play could have cost the Cowboys the game and Romo for the season.

but that did not happen did it? you can whine and cry about it but the bottom line is that Watt is just not as valuable as you want him to be.

 

[mattjames2010]

It's funny, because I frequented the Texans board last year before we played them and there were people calling out Watt for disappearing and not coming up with big plays in big moments. The same thing people complained about with Ware.

Proved to me that, no matter how great your great players are, fans will still dissect their game and nitpick. So, this legendary, undeniable HOF, also gets criticism from his own fans.

Smith is a freak of nature, one our greats. Watt is a freak of nature, and one of Texans greats. I couldn't give a **** less if Smith ends up in the HOF or not, the dude is a monster and the anchor to our offensive line. Anyone who thinks our line wouldn't look very different without Smith starting is purposely playing dumb.

 

[perrykemp]

You talk about impact plays- just how many game changing plays has Watt had?

Hmmm... in 2014 Watt had:

• 20.5 sacks
• 78 tackles (just 3 less than Ro McClain who plays middle LB)
• 10 passes defensed (more than Scandrick, the Cowboy's best DB)
• 4 forced fumbles
• 5 fumble recoveries
• 5 TDs (3 Receiving, 1 on a INT, 1 on a fumble recovery)

The guy is a absolute monster. Take away all 20 of those sacks and he still had a monster (if not odd) season as a DL.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

If Romo didn't have eyes in the back of his head last season Watt might have ended his career.....against Smith

Witten was over there

 

[Irvin88_4life]

If Watt was on this team we would be where Houston is. ....no playoffs.

We are contenders with Smith. ..not so much with Watt. I want a team not one great player

 

[KJJ]

Watt is neutralized plenty of times. You talk about impact plays- just how many game changing plays has Watt had? Bet you can count them on the fingers of on hand. In the end where has having Watt gotten Houston? They had Mario Williams at one time as well. Bottom line is that one great player does not make that much of a difference. DeWare was a remarkable player and yet what did we win while he was here? Not much. Two division titles and one and done. You can argue Watt is better than Ware but the difference is not great frankly. Its hype a lot of the time. Like when Tony made Watt look like a JAG when it COUNTED.

Watt doesn't get neutralized a lot if he's not getting a sack he shows up in some capacity with batted balls, pressures and FF's. He has to be game planned to try and find someway to limit the destruction he causes. I would have to review a lot of game film to come up with a number of game changing plays that Watt has made but in his 4 playoff appearances he has 5 sacks and an int return for a TD that helped Houston beat Cinn in the playoffs in 2012. He plays for a Texan's team that's had serious QB issues the past 3 seasons. Their offensive inconsistencies have put a lot of pressure on their defense. Clowney who's in his second season has done virtually nothing he hasn't even had a single sack. As for Ware the Cowboys didn't win much while he was here but that was because once you got past him their wasn't a lot of defensive talent. Ratliff was real effective early on until double teams started to limit his effectiveness and Spencer was slow to come on and was never real consistent.

The Cowboys had major issues in the secondary during Ware's entire Cowboys career. He was a great player but he didn't make many game changing impact plays. One of the few was his strip sack or Drew Brees back in 09 when that game was on the line in the closing minutes. Although he had a lot of sacks they didn't impact games that much because the defense was so poor at times. Ware would get a sack and the Cowboys defense would give the play right back. I remember once Ware had back to back sacks but the Cowboys defense gave up a 25 yard play on a 3rd and 18. I lost track of how many times Ware would get a sack only to see the defense give it all back and then some on the very next play.

 

[Nightman]

Let's say we to bring in Watt and Free misses a block and Romo is done. You can't play the guessing game and then nullify mine...

I tried making that point earlier. We are arguing about which Pro Bowler is better. #firstworldproblems

 

[perrykemp]

If Watt was on this team we would be where Houston is. ....no playoffs.

We are contenders with Smith. ..not so much with Watt. I want a team not one great player

That's ridiculous. It was the defense that held this team back in 2012 and 2013 - specifically lack of pass rush. If anything else, the Cowboys probably make the playoffs both of those years with Watt.

 

[mattjames2010]

That's ridiculous. It was the defense that held this team back in 2012 and 2013 - specifically lack of pass rush. If anything else, the Cowboys probably make the playoffs both of those years with Watt.

********. Watt wouldn't wouldn't have helped much with one of the WORST defenses in NFL history. And, honestly, it's not as though Watt had some absolutely dominant 2013 season anyways. He had a good season, not great.

 

[coogrfan]

People have grown numb to the greatness of JJ Watt because he does it year in and year out.

Beyond delivering roughly 15 sacks per season as a 3-4 end, sucking up double-team blocks on every play -- the stuff people know.... the thing people don't realize:

His run stuffing ability is beyond amazing. Did you know he had roughly as many tackles as the the Cowboy's leading tackler, Rolando McClain, last year? He had 78 tackles last season. McClain had 81.

How about pass defense? Do you know he had more passes defensed (10) than the Cowboy's best CB last year, Orlando Scandrick (8)?

He had 4 touchdowns.

It goes on and on.

He is doing things that have never been seen before and he makes it look easy.

He is a once in a generation talent.

This. I love Tyron Smith, but Watt is an absolute beast.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

The question should be would you draft Smith then

Trade that years 2nd (Carter)
Following years 1st and 2nd (Mo and trade up]
Last year's 2nd and 3rd (D Law and trade up)

To get back in the first to draft Watt and have both

 

[perrykemp]

Bull****. Watt wouldn't wouldn't have helped much with one of the WORST defenses in NFL history. And, honestly, it's not as though Watt had some absolutely dominant 2013 season anyways. He had a good season, not great.

Team was 8-8 and missed the playoffs by one game in each of those seasons. You don't think he would have made 1 games worth a difference?

 

[cml750]

While I do not regret taking Smith, I would take Watt if I had a do-over. Smith is really good all pro type at a premium position but Watt is the type of player to make an all century team.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Watt doesn't get neutralized a lot if he's not getting a sack he shows up in some capacity with batted balls, pressures and FF's. He has to be game planned to try and find someway to limit the destruction he causes. I would have to review a lot of game film to come up with a number of game changing plays that Watt has made but in his 4 playoff appearances he has 5 sacks and an int return for a TD that helped Houston beat Cinn in the playoffs in 2012. He plays for a Texan's team that's had serious QB issues the past 3 seasons. Their offensive inconsistencies have put a lot of pressure on their defense. Clowney who's in his second season has done virtually nothing he hasn't even had a single sack. As for Ware the Cowboys didn't win much while he was here but that was because once you got past him their wasn't a lot of defensive talent. Ratliff was real effective early on until double teams started to limit his effectiveness and Spencer was slow to come on and was never real consistent.

The Cowboys had major issues in the secondary during Ware's entire Cowboys career. He was a great player but he didn't make many game changing impact plays. One of the few was his strip sack or Drew Brees back in 09 when that game was on the line in the closing minutes. Although he had a lot of sacks they didn't impact games that much because the defense was so poor at times. Ware would get a sack and the Cowboys defense would give the play right back. I remember once Ware had back to back sacks but the Cowboys defense gave up a 25 yard play on a 3rd and 18. I lost track of how many times Ware would get a sack only to see the defense give it all back and then some on the very next play.

I didn't even read your novel by the first sentence you tried to say the player Watt is.

I ask you again. ....where has he taken Houston? I will tel you. ...top 10 picks in the draft including the number 1 overall pick

 

[mattjames2010]

Team was 8-8 and missed the playoffs by one game in each of those seasons. You don't think he would have made 1 games worth a difference?

The dude couldn't help his team win more than 2 games in 2013, that's with decent players surrounding him. You're here telling me he would have dominated so much on defense that he would have covered up the failings of nearly every other aspect on defense?

Some of you are taking a great player and making him a damn legend. Same as most of you did with Peterson in the offseason. No, Watt wouldn't have changed the outcome of the 2013 season.

 

[KJJ]

Let's say we to bring in Watt and Free misses a block and Romo is done. You can't play the guessing game and then nullify mine...

Romo could have been done on the block Tyron missed on Watt. He had a clean shot at Romo but Romo made a nice move to elude him. Had he not seen Watt it could have been over for Romo at least in that game. Tyron got beat like a dead horse on that play and it's not the first time I've seen him beat like that. I think Tyron is a very good player but I don't think he's as great as some try and make him out to be. He gets penalized a lot and does get beat on occasion. I don't see him as irreplaceable. Although Zach Martin had a bad game vs Philly I've been more impressed with him than Tyron he made All Pro as a rookie. Free was a pretty good LT prior to Tyron's arrival it got him resigned to a nice contract several years ago. Our LT position hasn't cost Romo any games since he took over in 06. What Watt brings to the table is a lot harder to find than what Tyron brings. Watt is a game changer and if I had the opportunity to grab a player like Watt over a guy who blocks I'm doing it without hesitation.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

That's ridiculous. It was the defense that held this team back in 2012 and 2013 - specifically lack of pass rush. If anything else, the Cowboys probably make the playoffs both of those years with Watt.

You don't know that. Without Smith Romo most likely is out injuried but carry on

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Romo could have been done on the block Tyron missed on Watt. He had a clean shot at Romo but Romo made a nice move to elude him. Had he not seen Watt it could have been over for Romo at least in that game. Tyron got beat like a dead horse on that play and it's not the first time I've seen him beat like that. I think Tyron is a very good player but I don't think he's as great as some try and make him out to be. He does get penalized a lot and does get beat on occasion. I don't see him as irreplaceable. Although Zach Martin had a bad game vs Philly I've been more impressed with him than Tyron he made All Pro as a rookie. Free was a pretty good LT prior to Tyron's arrival it got him resigned to a nice contract several years ago. Our LT position hasn't cost Romo any games since he took over in 06. What Watt brings to the table is a lot harder to find than what Tyron brings. Watt is a game changer and if I had the opportunity to grab a player like Watt over a guy who blocks I'm doing it without hesitation.

Free was terrible other then his first season at LT.Free was so bad he almost got cut by he took a pay cut instead

 

[joseephuss]

Team was 8-8 and missed the playoffs by one game in each of those seasons. You don't think he would have made 1 games worth a difference?

Maybe. Not having Smith might have cost Dallas 1 game worth of a difference in those years.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

That's ridiculous. It was the defense that held this team back in 2012 and 2013 - specifically lack of pass rush. If anything else, the Cowboys probably make the playoffs both of those years with Watt.

That game against Philly we lost because Orton threw 2 interceptions and Clutts lost a fumble. Defense held decent. We also lost the Commanders game cause of offense turnovers.

Stay with your agenda though