Looking back, was Bledsoe that much of an upgrade?

[MichaelWinicki]

05 line after flot went down was much worse. Pettiti tried but he was out matched. Rivera stank. Al Johnson was manhandled. and LA was on fumes.
04 Flot was decent and LA ok; Johnson played better and Gurode was better at Guard the Rivera was the next season. And Vollers was better at RT then pettiti. Not be much, but some.

Didn't Gurode get benched during the '04 season due to his inept play at guard?

 

[JIGGYFLY]

this years bledsoe was much worse- he lost it all at once. remember the first few games last season? We were thinking Drew would make the pro bowl. He was actually almost as highly ranked a QB as Romo is now; 4th or 5th in the NFL and 2nd in the NFC. Once the protection disappeared he went south a lot. But he still was playing better even then then he did this season.
Vinny gave everything he had- BUT he could not stand the pace game after game- by the 4th QTR his legs were dead and you could see it in his passes.
There really is no comparison- Drew was much better LAST year- not this year.

Your right I was as excited as anybody at the begining of the year but the first time Bledsoe faced any adversity all the nagging questions about him started to surface. The point you made about Vinny in 4th are legit but i wonder if he would have been called on to pass as much with last years team maybe saving himself a little more.

 

[burmafrd]

BP sat him down but put him back and he did play better towards the end of the year. My point is that he was still better then Rivera was last year.

 

[superpunk]

Ok so are you saying Bledsoe just lost it this year?

And for the record I think overall Bledsoe is a better QB than Vinny and I was in favor of signing him but looking back I question I have to wonder.

Yes. He was horrible from the word go this year. Last year, he was much better than Vinny in 04. The talent can explain some of it, but the deficiencies at Oline are another drawback. He was the major reason in at least 4 of our wins. I don't even think you could point to one game for Vinny.

 

[burmafrd]

Vinny just wore down and I doubt that even a much better D would have made all that much difference. remember, our TOP difference between 2004 and 2005 was not much.

 

[superpunk]

Apparently, a few more times. Personally, I don't agree that the Offensive line was better. The offensive line in 04 was terrible IMO. I don't think you can look at 05 and say it was worse then 04. IMO, they were both terrible. You may say Bledsoe was better, if only by a bit, but I just don't agree. I guess I just don't buy it. Were Bledsoe's numbers better? Yes. Was Bledsoe's defense better? Yes. As was his overall offensive talent IMO.

And all that alleged offensive talent couldn't overcome the two worst tackles in the NFL. Bledsoe was better than Vinny. Suggesting otherwise is ridiculous and IMO, agenda driven and biased. Vinny was nearly worthless. Bledsoe at least had his moments.

 

[Zaxor]

Which would explain why the run game has been worse now with Romo than with Bledsoe. It's all clear, and it's all Bledsoe's fault.

Give me a break.

look with Bledsoe we would have 3rd down and 30 and run the ball and get 15 yards now with Romo we throw it and get a first...so that is why and yes it is all Bledsoe's fault and always will be so:tongue:

 

[MichaelWinicki]

BP sat him down but put him back and he did play better towards the end of the year. My point is that he was still better then Rivera was last year.

Who says?


Other than you I mean...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

look with Bledsoe we would have 3rd down and 30 and run the ball and get 15 yards now with Romo we throw it and get a first...so that is why and yes it is all Bledsoe's fault and always will be so:tongue:

YEAH!

You tell'em.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Yes. He was horrible from the word go this year. Last year, he was much better than Vinny in 04. The talent can explain some of it, but the deficiencies at Oline are another drawback. He was the major reason in at least 4 of our wins. I don't even think you could point to one game for Vinny.

OK I can say Bledsoe had some big games last year but overall I have to wonder
what did it get us, Parcells has stated that Romo learned a lot from Vinny and it might helped him develope faster you think.


I know all of this is hindsight but if you look at the overall picture Blesoe did about as much for this Franchise as Vinny did.

 

[Zaxor]

Morning my friend

You dadgum trouble maker.........

and a very good morning to you kind Sir... <sigh> it is my job today to enlighten the young...I think you're up tomorrow but you better check the duty sheet to make sure

 

[burmafrd]

Well Winicki- find someone to agree with you.

 

[superpunk]

look with Bledsoe we would have 3rd down and 30 and run the ball and get 15 yards now with Romo we throw it and get a first...so that is why and yes it is all Bledsoe's fault and always will be so:tongue:

Romo is ten times the QB Bledsoe ever has been, that much is now obvious. This thread is shallow and just gives the unconditional Bledsoe bashers another chance to pile on. Bledsoe was better than Vinny.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well Winicki- find someone to agree with you.

I don't think I was the one that made the statement that Gurode was better than Rivera.

 

[burmafrd]

BUT you claim its wrong- so its one to one right now. Like I said find someone to agree with you- so far no one has.

 

[Zaxor]

Exactly. Neither guy was capable of leading Dallas to the post season. Put either one on the team this season and they are both the weak link in the chain. We already saw that with Bledsoe at the beginning of the season. Vinny would not have fared better.

Drew is the better QB between the two. That really does not mean that much. Just some number to throw out there. In 6 wins Vinny's QB rating was 77.4 and in 10 losses it was 75.9. Both numbers are less than average. He wasn't the main problem that Dallas lost, but he also wasn't helping the team win. In 9 wins in 2005, Drew had a QB rating of 105.0 while in the 7 losses his rating was 59.8. He played a good part in the wins and was a major culprit in the losses.

I am glad neither is the QB right now and I didn't like it when they were. It was embarrassing.

so you completely dismiss the fact what Bledsoe had to throw to and what Vinny had to throw to and that Vinny had to constantly play catchup cause the defense couldn't stop a one legged milliped...and that we had no threat as a running back...oh well...to each his own

 

[JIGGYFLY]

I have been trying to get someone to answer those questions the whole thread?

 

[burmafrd]

By late last season Bledsoe had a much worse line. And as someone astutely pointed out, the best WRs in the world do not help when the QB is hit just as he is setting up.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

By late last season Bledsoe had a much worse line. And as someone astutely pointed out, the best WRs in the world do not help when the QB is hit just as he is setting up.

Vinny was much more moblie than Bledsoe also and could hit a check down receiver and a hot read also. He also set up much quicker than Bledsoe.

I realize the line was terrible last year but it was not like Bledsoe was sacked everytime he went back to throw

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And all that alleged offensive talent couldn't overcome the two worst tackles in the NFL. Bledsoe was better than Vinny. Suggesting otherwise is ridiculous and IMO, agenda driven and biased. Vinny was nearly worthless. Bledsoe at least had his moments.

This is so much BS. You accuse everybody of agenda but completely ignore the fact that defense plays a key role in all of this discussion. You ignore the fact that the offense, with Vinnie was much more limited. The offense was opened up with Bledsoe. Why? Not because he was so much more talented but because our team was more experienced and able to open things up.

Accusations from you are come place. They do not hold much water with me. If you want to suggest that this is agenda driven, thats fine. Do what you must to make yourself feel better.

Bottom line, I don't agree. If I must allow myself to be branded as agenda driven, so be it. Just send me my application information and I'll be certain to get it filled out and submitted in good order.