Looking back, was Bledsoe that much of an upgrade?

[MichaelWinicki]

By late last season Bledsoe had a much worse line. And as someone astutely pointed out, the best WRs in the world do not help when the QB is hit just as he is setting up.

As you forgot Bledsoe made this year's line look like **** too...

Bledsoe 169 attempts - 16 sacks

Romo 180 attempts - 8 sacks

I hope you're not going to suggest that Romo would have suffered the same 49 sacks last year as Bledsoe. I mean I think you have more sense than that right?

 

[superpunk]

As you forgot Bledsoe made this year's line look like **** too...

Bledsoe 169 attempts - 16 sacks

Romo 180 attempts - 8 sacks

I hope you're not going to suggest that Romo would have suffered the same 49 sacks last year as Bledsoe. I mean I think you have more sense than that right?

He was terrible this year. You know he was way worse than last year. The line was much better, he was just crap. But looking from 04 to 05, it's plain to see who the better QB for the team was. With Flozell, while we could still compensate for PEttiti, he was the league's highest rated passer. He was a big factor in our wins, unlike Vinny.

 

[silver]

not much of an upgrade if you ask me. they both came in here way past their prime. vinny had the toughest time due to injuries. bledsoe made our OL look like swiss cheese. to me, looking back now they both were a waste of time. other than the supposedly mentoring that took place involving our present qb, both vinny and bledsoe will go down in cowboys lore as 2 failed attempts between troy and romo.

 

[superpunk]

This is so much BS. You accuse everybody of agenda but completely ignore the fact that defense plays a key role in all of this discussion. You ignore the fact that the offense, with Vinnie was much more limited. The offense was opened up with Bledsoe. Why? Not because he was so much more talented but because our team was more experienced and able to open things up.

Accusations from you are come place. They do not hold much water with me. If you want to suggest that this is agenda driven, thats fine. Do what you must to make yourself feel better.

Bottom line, I don't agree. If I must allow myself to be branded as agenda driven, so be it. Just send me my application information and I'll be certain to get it filled out and submitted in good order.

If the shoe fits.....

 

[Zaxor]

Oh look, another kick bledsoe thread. I would almost think that the guy played for the Commanders with the amount of disdain posters have for the guy. Its a shame a COWBOY gets treated with such little respect from the fans.

Anyone that thinks vinny was better or that bledsoe wasn't an upgrade has to be ********. Drew threw for 23 tds last year. Vinny has only done that TWICE in his long career. Every single stat that means something was better in bledsoe's favor. Harp all you want about talent around them, but know that when Vinny had talent around him, he was only able to best drew's 2003 twice in his entire career. And yes, dont give me that "B B B But vinny never had any talent, stuck on the Bucanneers, yada yada" BS. Vinny played on some NYJ and Cle teams that had some weapons. And if anything, the OL in Vinny's last year with the boys was better than it was last year for Bledsoe.

see obviously you need to check who was on Bledsoe's teams and who was on Vinny's teams before.... and you would realize that when Vinny had talent he smoked Bledsoe's best ever rating...I believe you made a blanket statement with out checking your facts...I have previously in other posts (check archive) listed who Vinny had to throw and run the ball and his olineman and listed Bledsoes'...Bledsoe has had much more talent around him...the only time Vinny had equal talent (1998) his rating 101.6 smoked Bledsoe best ever rating of 87.7 (1997) Vinny's career qbr of 75.2 compared to Bledsoe's career qbr of 77.1 is of a greater worth considering football is a team sport...

if you don't believe me check back in Vinny's prime he played on some God awful Tampa bay teams...

so lets pretend for a moment you were the best QB the world has ever know but you throw to wr's who had both of their arms amputated and you handed off to RB's who had both of the legs amputated and your whole offensive line were decapitated what would your stats look like...well that is just about what Vinny had for the first 6 years of his career how you can just dismiss the talent surrounding a qb is amazing

here is the 87 roster see any HOF or pro bowlers

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/rosters.nsf/Annual/1987-tb

here is 88 same thing here see any

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/rosters.nsf/Annual/1988-tb

and it goes on and on now check Bledsoe's and you see Terry Glenn, Ben Coates, Curtis Martin, Keith Byars etc... and the list goes on and on

plus much better defense players also...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He was terrible this year. You know he was way worse than last year. The line was much better, he was just crap. But looking from 04 to 05, it's plain to see who the better QB for the team was. With Flozell, while we could still compensate for PEttiti, he was the league's highest rated passer. He was a big factor in our wins, unlike Vinny.

This is funny. If you review the first part of the season in 04, Vinnie was also ranked highly for a time.
He too was a big part of wins early on. To say that Bledsoe was key in those wins but ignore Vinnie in 04 is a bit short sided IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If the shoe fits.....

Sounds like the voice of experience to me. Sure, like I said, send me the paper work. Just shut up about it.

 

[superpunk]

This is funny. If you review the first part of the season in 04, Vinnie was also ranked highly for a time.
He too was a big part of wins early on. To say that Bledsoe was key in those wins but ignore Vinnie in 04 is a bit short sided IMO.

Vinny in 04? What? Washington? The only other game Vinny came close to taking the team on his back for a W was Detroit, and he threw three picks in that game.

 

[superpunk]

Sounds like the voice of experience to me. Sure, like I said, send me the paper work. Just shut up about it.

Classy as always. Good times.

 

[Zaxor]

Romo is ten times the QB Bledsoe ever has been, that much is now obvious. This thread is shallow and just gives the unconditional Bledsoe bashers another chance to pile on. Bledsoe was better than Vinny.

in your mind perhaps...but if all things were equal on your team and mine and only the qb was changed my team with Vinny would kick the living
:sshhh: shhhhh:sshhh: it out of your team with Bledsoe.

 

[superpunk]

in your mind perhaps...but if all things were equal on your team and mine and only the qb was changed my team with Vinny would kick the living
:sshhh: shhhhh:sshhh: it out of your team with Bledsoe.

05 Bledsoe beats 04 Vinny - every time. More TD, less INTs, more taking the team on his back. It's pretty cut and dry.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Classy as always. Good times.

You would be an authority on Classy right? OK, whatever, you got that stuff in the mail yet?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

05 Bledsoe beats 04 Vinny - every time. More TD, less INTs, more taking the team on his back. It's pretty cut and dry.

You keep mentioning this team on his back stuff. Perhaps you can point out where this happened with such regularity.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Over Vinny, They both were tournover machines, Vinny had less to work with and a D were he was constantly playing from behind and he was more mobile than Bledsoe.

I,m not trying to say we would have gone anywhere with Vinny but I wonder if the results would have been the same, What do you think?

What does it matter what road led to Romo.... all things happened for a reason and now we have a REAL QB.

Thats all that matters

 

[superpunk]

You would be an authority on Classy right? OK, whatever, you got that stuff in the mail yet?

Should I answer this, or order you to shut up about it? Tough decision....

You keep mentioning this team on his back stuff. Perhaps you can point out where this happened with such regularity.

Regularity? Did I claim that? Really? Could you direct me to this claim? Because if you find it, I will be sure to back it up.

 

[Zaxor]

05 Bledsoe beats 04 Vinny - every time. More TD, less INTs, more taking the team on his back. It's pretty cut and dry.

lets see

Bledsoe 05 23 TD's 17 ints...with all healthy components except LT

Testy 04 17 TD 20 ints missing many parts and a defense

hmmmmm

Bledsoe 05 17 fumbles

Testy 04 8 fumbles


hmmmmmmmm


Bledsoe 05 sacked 49 times

Testy 04 sacked 34 times

hmmmmm

Sorry I don't see it

 

[JIGGYFLY]

What does it matter what road led to Romo.... all things happened for a reason and now we have a REAL QB.

Thats all that matters

Just something different to talk about this is a forum.

 

[superpunk]

lets see

Bledsoe 05 23 TD's 17 ints...with all healthy components

Testy 04 17 TD 20 ints missing many parts and a defense

hmmmmm

Bledsoe 05 17 fumbles

Testy 04 8 fumbles


hmmmmmmmm


Bledsoe 05 sacked 49 times

Testy 04 sacked 34 times

hmmmmm

Sorry I don't see it

More TDs, more wins, less INTs, 4 more lost fumbles (it's quaint to list total fumbles, but ultimately meaningless if they're not lost). The numbers for Bledsoe were better. Everything else is speculation on your part, as to whether Vinny "might" have done more.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

lets see

Bledsoe 05 23 TD's 17 ints...with all healthy components except LT

Testy 04 17 TD 20 ints missing many parts and a defense

hmmmmm

Bledsoe 05 17 fumbles

Testy 04 8 fumbles


hmmmmmmmm


Bledsoe 05 sacked 49 times

Testy 04 sacked 34 times

hmmmmm

Sorry I don't see it

So thats 34 TO's to 28 thats the thing I was looking for.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

More TDs, more wins, less INTs, 4 more lost fumbles (it's quaint to list total fumbles, but ultimately meaningless if they're not lost). The numbers for Bledsoe were better. Everything else is speculation on your part, as to whether Vinny "might" have done more.

All of this is speculation on both parts.