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taken from the banner thread, but i kinda wanted to call it out on it's own and address the topic itself, not the banner that many for valid reasons of their own, think this is in poor taste.
i'm not one who does (think it is in poor taste)
you see this mindset..."losing to win" i'll call it, has so many flaws that i can't help but think those doing it really have no idea what it takes to keep a team up and going and ensure that going into next year you don't do something you can't just "turn off". cause in this instance how do you turn off "losing to win" as a mindset? you can't. you've said it's OK now and people will run with it on their own terms beyond anything you can coach or control.
as for the banner in the forums calling them out, poking them with a stick, gleeful "revenge"? maybe. but how many times have we seen reality have to call out threads just to get people to stop ranting and raving in every thread possible, venting their own "anger" with every post? how many times has reality had to put a ENOUGH NEGATIVITY headline in the forums. how much "in poor taste" is it for people to come in here and do crap like that which *has* to be called out.
time and time again.
and even a zone created where they can rant and rave and be as negative as they wish - whatever makes them feel positive.
i'd say all those things have been done, many a dozen times by now. yet people still must "vent" to an overly annoying degree and in every post find a way to say something like "man, congrats on wittens 1000th catch!!! what an amazing accomplishment!!! surprised as hell he did it under garrett who can't coach!!! or - how jones found him who knows cause jones sucks! - and so on and so on.
how many threads have you seen drop to just that?
time and time again.
maybe it is in poor taste but there's only so much even "the good guys" can take and the high road, we'll get back to it later, i'm sure. but there are in fact times you just feel the need to butt-slap a child for acting like a child. always trying to go the "high road" just isn't possible or there never would have been a high road to always take. it would be the "only way".
now - if we did in fact lose out by trying, great. we get a good draft pick. historically what have we done with high draft picks? many of these people who want us to win out to get a higher draft pick will be happy with each loss and yet when the draft comes, start their "jones is gonna screw it up" postings. so why even root for a team, to lose, so you can ***** about the draft pick you got, only so we can go into the next year *****ing that we didn't take their pet cats and all those losses were for nothing because we didn't take THEIR favorite player on the board at the time.
time and time again.
so no. while i'd love to draft high that means a painful season and those are hard enough to get through even when losing due to all the stupid mistakes we make play in and play out. all those calling out to lose the rest of the games, i am curious, did they also go through 1-15? that was no fun but i kept wearing my jersey and i kept saying "one day" and the very next year i moved to dallas and bought my 1st NFL ticket to see the cowboys play the chargers and we started off that year with a win. felt fantastic.
the other day in going through old paperwork and things i thought i'd thrown out LONG ago - i found another ticket i bought for me and 2 friends to see the cowboys, still in irving at the time, play seattle. it was a pretty amazing game overall. what was so special about that game? well, other than sitting there with my friends?
oh yea, a rushing record by a man called emmitt. yea, that was so damn cool to see live and still having that ticket to the game? pretty special to me.
so i don't watch people paid millions to lose. i don't care if the season is over, i don't care if we'll lose a few spots in the draft and may cost whinerboys all over the world angst that they just lost 5% more of a chance to get their pet cat and i certainly don't care if someone is "offended" that there are those of us happy to see us win.
let me ask those who say TANK IT a question - how do you turn that off? you have just set a price on losing and placed a random draft pick somewhere in the future that today has ZERO value over having players play through adversity and "learning" to win when it's one of the most difficult things you can do?
how do you "next year" say OK NOW WE MEAN IT!!!! you've shown that you get hit and you fall down.
you don't get back up and try again. you wait until fictitious help comes along in the draft and next year will erase the bitter memories we're unfortunately creating this year? how do you tell kids who watch "oh, it's ok to lose if it helps you later" when the definition of "lose" is now welded to "ok"? regardless of the reason this would be YOUR reason, or belief, we'll somehow get the next great qb in the draft by just losing out. the team will come back next year going "gosh, i'm glad thats over with, we now have johnny football (not THAT one) here who will save the team!"
you are in fact teaching them and people who watch that you feel it's ok to lose in order to get help to win because you're simply incapable of doing it yourself. watching this team that's not far off, now is it? oh, except we're better than 1-15 already and stranger things have happened.
yes we may get blown out *if* some crazy season or reason 8-8 gets us in there. we sure *may*. but if we get there do we tank it to slide up 1 spot in the draft?
do we tank it and tell the team "sure, y'all suck and go ahead and lose so we can get some winners in here".
or do we tank it and then have parents watch kids go "hey i'm losing so i can get better later" in choices they make in their life.
how can it ever be possible to instill a losing mindset in a team and then turn around and expect them to later NOT want to tank things for their own reason.
would you want to play for a team who said "hey, we suck so lose"?
i damn sure don't want to watch one just for some oddball chance we MAY get a good qb in the draft who MAY be as good as romo one day (who didn't cost us a draft pick) or maybe hell, another clairborne is taken to upset so many cause they just suck. then that self-same group of "ok to lose" will be mad they went through a season of loss to get to a better pick only to not take who they felt we should, invalidating the entire premise of "losing to win" will be back in here *****ing about that.
time and time again.
losing won't guarantee a single thing except that we've accepted it. in this instance "we" isn't the general fan but the cowboys themselves. the day this team accepts losing is a path to winning well then what the hell is the point of even watching the game? so i'll end it by asking that - those who WANT us to lose out for a draft pick...
...you gonna still watch every single game? you gonna get happy when we fumble, throw in int, or get sacked and dance around for the other team or hate it? you gonna tell yourself as you watch that crap that it's ok - johnny football must be coming to save the day? (still not *that* one). you gonna get pissed when we do things like...i dunno...win?
are you really *that* ... "fan"?
if so more power to you and great. at least you're firm in your convictions and will stand by the team, even when they are not even trying or don't want to. you do that.
i think it sucks and i will +1 it when those people are called out and have no issue at all blowing the **** out of the bridge on the "high road" a few times to express how stupid i feel that line of thinking is.
their right to *****. my right to return fire.
time and time again.
i'm not one who does (think it is in poor taste)
you see this mindset..."losing to win" i'll call it, has so many flaws that i can't help but think those doing it really have no idea what it takes to keep a team up and going and ensure that going into next year you don't do something you can't just "turn off". cause in this instance how do you turn off "losing to win" as a mindset? you can't. you've said it's OK now and people will run with it on their own terms beyond anything you can coach or control.
as for the banner in the forums calling them out, poking them with a stick, gleeful "revenge"? maybe. but how many times have we seen reality have to call out threads just to get people to stop ranting and raving in every thread possible, venting their own "anger" with every post? how many times has reality had to put a ENOUGH NEGATIVITY headline in the forums. how much "in poor taste" is it for people to come in here and do crap like that which *has* to be called out.
time and time again.
and even a zone created where they can rant and rave and be as negative as they wish - whatever makes them feel positive.
i'd say all those things have been done, many a dozen times by now. yet people still must "vent" to an overly annoying degree and in every post find a way to say something like "man, congrats on wittens 1000th catch!!! what an amazing accomplishment!!! surprised as hell he did it under garrett who can't coach!!! or - how jones found him who knows cause jones sucks! - and so on and so on.
how many threads have you seen drop to just that?
time and time again.
maybe it is in poor taste but there's only so much even "the good guys" can take and the high road, we'll get back to it later, i'm sure. but there are in fact times you just feel the need to butt-slap a child for acting like a child. always trying to go the "high road" just isn't possible or there never would have been a high road to always take. it would be the "only way".
now - if we did in fact lose out by trying, great. we get a good draft pick. historically what have we done with high draft picks? many of these people who want us to win out to get a higher draft pick will be happy with each loss and yet when the draft comes, start their "jones is gonna screw it up" postings. so why even root for a team, to lose, so you can ***** about the draft pick you got, only so we can go into the next year *****ing that we didn't take their pet cats and all those losses were for nothing because we didn't take THEIR favorite player on the board at the time.
time and time again.
so no. while i'd love to draft high that means a painful season and those are hard enough to get through even when losing due to all the stupid mistakes we make play in and play out. all those calling out to lose the rest of the games, i am curious, did they also go through 1-15? that was no fun but i kept wearing my jersey and i kept saying "one day" and the very next year i moved to dallas and bought my 1st NFL ticket to see the cowboys play the chargers and we started off that year with a win. felt fantastic.
the other day in going through old paperwork and things i thought i'd thrown out LONG ago - i found another ticket i bought for me and 2 friends to see the cowboys, still in irving at the time, play seattle. it was a pretty amazing game overall. what was so special about that game? well, other than sitting there with my friends?
oh yea, a rushing record by a man called emmitt. yea, that was so damn cool to see live and still having that ticket to the game? pretty special to me.
so i don't watch people paid millions to lose. i don't care if the season is over, i don't care if we'll lose a few spots in the draft and may cost whinerboys all over the world angst that they just lost 5% more of a chance to get their pet cat and i certainly don't care if someone is "offended" that there are those of us happy to see us win.
let me ask those who say TANK IT a question - how do you turn that off? you have just set a price on losing and placed a random draft pick somewhere in the future that today has ZERO value over having players play through adversity and "learning" to win when it's one of the most difficult things you can do?
how do you "next year" say OK NOW WE MEAN IT!!!! you've shown that you get hit and you fall down.
you don't get back up and try again. you wait until fictitious help comes along in the draft and next year will erase the bitter memories we're unfortunately creating this year? how do you tell kids who watch "oh, it's ok to lose if it helps you later" when the definition of "lose" is now welded to "ok"? regardless of the reason this would be YOUR reason, or belief, we'll somehow get the next great qb in the draft by just losing out. the team will come back next year going "gosh, i'm glad thats over with, we now have johnny football (not THAT one) here who will save the team!"
you are in fact teaching them and people who watch that you feel it's ok to lose in order to get help to win because you're simply incapable of doing it yourself. watching this team that's not far off, now is it? oh, except we're better than 1-15 already and stranger things have happened.
yes we may get blown out *if* some crazy season or reason 8-8 gets us in there. we sure *may*. but if we get there do we tank it to slide up 1 spot in the draft?
do we tank it and tell the team "sure, y'all suck and go ahead and lose so we can get some winners in here".
or do we tank it and then have parents watch kids go "hey i'm losing so i can get better later" in choices they make in their life.
how can it ever be possible to instill a losing mindset in a team and then turn around and expect them to later NOT want to tank things for their own reason.
would you want to play for a team who said "hey, we suck so lose"?
i damn sure don't want to watch one just for some oddball chance we MAY get a good qb in the draft who MAY be as good as romo one day (who didn't cost us a draft pick) or maybe hell, another clairborne is taken to upset so many cause they just suck. then that self-same group of "ok to lose" will be mad they went through a season of loss to get to a better pick only to not take who they felt we should, invalidating the entire premise of "losing to win" will be back in here *****ing about that.
time and time again.
losing won't guarantee a single thing except that we've accepted it. in this instance "we" isn't the general fan but the cowboys themselves. the day this team accepts losing is a path to winning well then what the hell is the point of even watching the game? so i'll end it by asking that - those who WANT us to lose out for a draft pick...
...you gonna still watch every single game? you gonna get happy when we fumble, throw in int, or get sacked and dance around for the other team or hate it? you gonna tell yourself as you watch that crap that it's ok - johnny football must be coming to save the day? (still not *that* one). you gonna get pissed when we do things like...i dunno...win?
are you really *that* ... "fan"?
if so more power to you and great. at least you're firm in your convictions and will stand by the team, even when they are not even trying or don't want to. you do that.
i think it sucks and i will +1 it when those people are called out and have no issue at all blowing the **** out of the bridge on the "high road" a few times to express how stupid i feel that line of thinking is.
their right to *****. my right to return fire.
time and time again.
