Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[Animosity]

Right. Luck had other teammates and coaching to do what he did. Oh, and some luck! That's what a team is made of.

What is this "fan boys" crap? Troll response!

Colts did not have a better team than the Cowboys. How about you admit that?

Honestly, the only poster here who isn't biased is Doomsday101, who admitted that Romo isn't in Lucks league.

If Romo had the worst team, I would admit it. But I look at the weapons Luck had(which half of them were on the IR), the worst o-line in the league, and a mediocre defense. There is no comparison. Luck is the difference maker Tony Romo isn't and will never be.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

So you are saying Luck was the difference? I aGree.




This is absolute bs and you know it. Luck had NO O-LINE last season, NO RUNNING GAME last season, a MEDIOCRE defense(which gave up 44 points against the Chiefs.. guess what? Colts still won thanks to Luck carrying the team), and 1/3 of his starters on the IR. The lengths you fan boys go to defend Romo, who in 8 years has 1 playoff win.

How many lies are in this one sentence? The world may never know. The world does know that he keeps typing this stuff over and over again.

 

[Animosity]

How many lies are in this one sentence? The world may never know. The world does know that he keeps typing this stuff over and over again.

Let me know of my lies. I will gladly back up my "lies" with statistics and facts .

 

[Picksix]

So you are saying Luck was the difference? I aGree.

No, I'm saying not having Curtis Painter as they're QB was the difference.

 

[Brooksey]

Colts have a good team.. LMAO. Mr 3.9 YPC Trent Richardson, his best receiver being a 46 year old injured WR, and the worst o-line in the league, plus a mediocre defense... yeah.. Colts have a good team.. LOL...

Luck is the difference. You won't see the Cowboys beating the undefeated Seahawks, undefeated Broncos, or the 49ers with Romo playing QB. Luck is incredible.

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Colts have a good team.. LMAO. Mr 3.9 YPC Trent Richardson, his best receiver being a 46 year old injured WR, and the worst o-line in the league, plus a mediocre defense... yeah.. Colts have a good team.. LOL...

Luck is the difference. You won't see the Cowboys beating the undefeated Seahawks, undefeated Broncos, or the 49ers with Romo playing QB. Luck is incredible.

The Colts have a Top 10 Defense and Andrew Luck is a good young QB, what is your point? If we had a top ten defense we would have been in the playoffs too.

 

[Animosity]

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The Colts have a Top 10 Defense and Andrew Luck is a good young QB, what is your point? If we had a top ten defense we would have been in the playoffs too.

We would be blaming the defense for giving up 44 points against the Chiefs instead of blaming Romo(who, coincidently, put up an astonishing 3 points in his last playoff game). No excuses for Luck. He took that team, carried them on his back, and outscored the Chiefs despite having nothing on offense. If we had a QB like that, I would be ecstatic... but we don;t.

 

[Hoov]

Anyway, to answer your question, that's how a QB can have a high rating on an offense that keeps possession and scores a lot of points without a good 3rd down conversion rate. As for why we were so bad on 3rd down last season, I 'd blame the OC, interior OL, receivers not named Bryant, Witten, or Beasley for the problem, and to a lesser extent, the OC and QB for not dealing successfully with it.

Fair enough. I agree that the blame is shared. And thanks for all the information posted. Additionally, I do think that romo and the cowboys offense were fairly good on 3rd down before Callahan came on board. Is that accurate ? And if so, I am inclined to think the shorter passing game that we saw this year is to blame.

It's highly likely that a lot if the failed. 3rd down conversions were pass completions short of first down marker. That would show up as a positive on romo Qb rating for a pass completion but would be a negative as far as the game is concerned because it would force a punt.

 

[burmafrd]

We would be blaming the defense for giving up 44 points against the Chiefs instead of blaming Romo(who, coincidently, put up an astonishing 3 points in his last playoff game). No excuses for Luck. He took that team, carried them on his back, and outscored the Chiefs despite having nothing on offense. If we had a QB like that, I would be ecstatic... but we don;t.

you are very unintentionally funny

 

[Animosity]

you are very unintentionally funny

As funny as you guys that think a 34 year old QB, who hasn't won a damn thing in 8 years, is suddenly going to take this team to the Super Bowl? Lol... the window closed a long time ago. It's time to rebuild.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

great analysis op...ive never put it on paper but seen those same results with my eyes and its why ive always been a tony fan no matter how the team does

 

[Brooksey]

We would be blaming the defense for giving up 44 points against the Chiefs instead of blaming Romo(who, coincidently, put up an astonishing 3 points in his last playoff game). No excuses for Luck. He took that team, carried them on his back, and outscored the Chiefs despite having nothing on offense. If we had a QB like that, I would be ecstatic... but we don;t.

There are 30 other teams that don't have him either. He's a special talent. Be happy that we have a top QB, Romo is not our problem, he's an asset. His choker reputation was established because of a bobbled snap he shouldn't have been holding. Don't drink the media "Romo Is Cursed Kool-Aid". I worked for FOX TV for a long time....when it's sunny out for the next 5 days, they throw in a chance of showers just to keep the audience checking in. My nephew is about 20 and believes everything he see's on TV...scary he preaches everything like it's absolute truth because they said it on ESPN. He has a lot to learn.

Most Romo haters are media-tized followers, they ride the media bandwagon like Freckles Brown.

All of the Top Qb's throw late game picks trying to make something happen, it's just glamorized because it's Tony Romo of the most hated and loved Dallas Cowboys.

 

[burmafrd]

We would be blaming the defense for giving up 44 points against the Chiefs instead of blaming Romo(who, coincidently, put up an astonishing 3 points in his last playoff game). No excuses for Luck. He took that team, carried them on his back, and outscored the Chiefs despite having nothing on offense. If we had a QB like that, I would be ecstatic... but we don;t.

you are very unintentionally funny

 

[Picksix]

Let me know of my lies. I will gladly back up my "lies" with statistics and facts .

NO running game ---> 109 yds/game
NO Offensive Line ---> Only allowed 32 sacks (6th best)
Mediocre Defense ---> 9th in the league in points allowed

Andrew Luck:
18th in the league in passer rating (87.0)
16th in yards/game (239)
26th in yards/attempt (6.7)
15th in TD passes (23 - roughly 1.5/game)
Tied for 23rd in Completion % (60.2)

Doesn't exactly sound like a guy who was completely carrying his team. As for the playoff game, he threw for 443 yards and 4 TD's - which is awesome - but he also threw 3 INT's, 2 coming in the 2nd half, one of which was converted into a TD. The defense held KC to 6 points in the 2nd half. Again, as good as he was, he didn't carry them.

These are "statistics" and "facts", not just generalizations based on opinion.

 

[BIGDen]

All of that is true. But the thing that alot of people ignore or dont even mention is in 2007 Dallas was ranked 3 on offense and 9 on defense. And when it mattered Romo laid a egg...

Did you even watch that game? Did you notice Crayton and Fasano dropping passes that would've resulted in TDs or game clinching catches? How about the 12 penalties including a BS critical grounding call that the league apologized for later, or the questionable Ware offsides that led to a TD instead of a punt. Romo's late passes to Crayton were perfect and clutch but Crayton dropped a potential game-clincher and pulled up on a game-winning, clutch pass. Let's blame the QB. Unreal.

 

[Animosity]

NO running game ---> 109 yds/game
NO Offensive Line ---> Only allowed 32 sacks (6th best)
Mediocre Defense ---> 9th in the league in points allowed

Andrew Luck:
18th in the league in passer rating (87.0)
16th in yards/game (239)
26th in yards/attempt (6.7)
15th in TD passes (23 - roughly 1.5/game)
Tied for 23rd in Completion % (60.2)

Doesn't exactly sound like a guy who was completely carrying his team. As for the playoff game, he threw for 443 yards and 4 TD's - which is awesome - but he also threw 3 INT's, 2 coming in the 2nd half, one of which was converted into a TD. The defense held KC to 6 points in the 2nd half. Again, as good as he was, he didn't carry them.

These are "statistics" and "facts", not just generalizations based on opinion.

I stopped reading when you didn't take into account Lucks mobility and rushing yards, which significantly improved the Colts rushing game and O-line (ranked 25th best in the league) LOL

 

[Animosity]

Colts had the 20th best rushing offense. Subtract Lucks rushing yards, and Colts have the 29th best rushing game. Yeah... and I am the one lying.. LOL

 

[Brooksey]

Did you even watch that game? Did you notice Crayton and Fasano dropping passes that would've resulted in TDs or game clinching catches? How about the 12 penalties including a BS critical grounding call that the league apologized for later, or the questionable Ware offsides that led to a TD instead of a punt. Romo's late passes to Crayton were perfect and clutch but Crayton dropped a potential game-clincher and pulled up on a game-winning, clutch pass. Let's blame the QB. Unreal.

He forgot about the game, he's re-watching it now on you-tube trying to find a Romo gaffe in the 4th quarter.

 

[Picksix]

I stopped reading

That's the problem. You only see what you want to see, and ignore everything else. He is a mobile QB, yes, but he still didn't put up huge numbers, and the Colts didn't score a ton of points.

Luck is a very good QB, and I'd take him. But your assertion that he's God-like, and the only reason his team did anything well last year, is just wrong.

 

[Brooksey]

How about fumbles.

Are they all on Romo? I'm sure he just dropped those balls while he was running. He wasn't hit or blind sided or anything like that.

 

[percyhoward]

Fair enough. I agree that the blame is shared. And thanks for all the information posted. Additionally, I do think that romo and the cowboys offense were fairly good on 3rd down before Callahan came on board. Is that accurate ? And if so, I am inclined to think the shorter passing game that we saw this year is to blame.

It's highly likely that a lot if the failed. 3rd down conversions were pass completions short of first down marker. That would show up as a positive on romo Qb rating for a pass completion but would be a negative as far as the game is concerned because it would force a punt.

Yes, traditionally Romo has been quite good on third down. It's a common theme that Romo's passer rating supposedly makes him look better than he really is. One of the aims of the OP was to show how Romo is actually better than his passer rating, at least in these situations.