Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[DFWJC]

Put Romo in Seattle, they still win a title.

Put Russell Wilson in Dallas and we go 5-11.

No doubt in my mind

 

[DFWJC]

The NFL's Kevin Love, if empty stats held weight Romo would be in MVP contention every year

Someone either didn't read the OP or does not know football.... take your pick

 

[birdwells1]

I assume you appreciate that the pass offense is the only reason this team is even involved in elimimation games in the first place.

So he got the team there with spectacular performances but all he has to do is the same thing he has done in previous games but he doesn't. Isn't it strange that in the win or go home games he turnovers increase, his tds decrease and his performance falls off?

 

[Frosty]

In other words, "if we used individual performance to measure individual performance...."

yep, his states are awesome. However, its about winning not losing....Romo has a HUGE monkey on his back...all the stats in the world will be for nothing if he does not win a Super Bowl...(he is not in the same mold as a Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Archie Manning, Bryan Sipe QB's)....yet, on the other hand if he wins a Super Bowl all his past mistakes will be forgotten...time is running out for Romo

All the stats in the world will not change Tony Romo's history.....its Superbowl or bust....for his career namesake...regardless what the stats mathicians say....


right now Romo is a notch below Danny White....nothing more nothing less.....

 

[DFWJC]

Empty stats is when you pad your stats when the game is waaay out of reach. I just have to look back at Romos game vs the Bears.. where he threw a couple of TDs when the game was way out of reach. Where were those TDs when the game was competitive?

Except that by far the evidence shows Romo mostly does not do this. READ the freaking data! It clearly states the exact opposite of your ongoing babbling

 

[DFWJC]

And Romos stats haven't translated into wins since 2009.

1-5 in 2010, 8-8 the past 3 years.

Romo is a big, big problem.

Possibly the least of our problems...or very near it

 

[percyhoward]

The most complete picture can be seen from analyzing Romo's performances in do or die games compared to his performances in the less critical games. There's a troubling contrast between the Romo we see when it's all on the line and the very productive, efficient Romo we see throughout most of the regular season. He's 1-5 in season finale games and 1-3 in playoff games. Compare his passer ratings in those games to his passer ratings the first 16 games of the regular season. I focus on a QB's TD to turnover ratio during the do or die games because it's the most telling stat in those games. Romo's TD to turnover ratio is 8-12 in elimination games. The only do or die game he didn't turn the ball over in the Cowboys won going away.

When you cover "every game" including playoff games by some of the great QB's in history Romo's numbers could compare because his playoff resume (4 games) is so small compared to QB's like Montana who played in around 23 playoff games. With all the passing and rule changes over the years it's helped perfect QB's numbers so it means little comparing the stats from QB's years ago with the stats QB's produce today. QB's completion percentages are better today as are their passer ratings. It's a different game today but what matters today mattered just as much 30 years ago and that's playoff wins and championships.

The thread isn't about "elimination games," which are anything but a complete picture of every game. If you want to make it about that, at least try to focus on Romo's performance as opposed to W-L. Then maybe try to remember that all 32 teams do not suddenly wake up and find themselves involved in an elimimation game.

 

[DFWJC]

Which is why Wilson has a ring, and Romo will never sniff one. Romo can't be trusted to come through in the clutch. He doesn't throw two stupid INT's against Denver and Green Bay, we're probably a playoff team.

Or maybe we are 4-12 without him.

Especially the Denver game...we getstomped by 3 TDs without Romo

 

[percyhoward]

So he got the team there with spectacular performances but all he has to do is the same thing he has done in previous games but he doesn't. Isn't it strange that in the win or go home games he turnovers increase, his tds decrease and his performance falls off?

At some point you have to wonder how much better than the rest of the team do we have a right to expect pass offense to be.

 

[Idgit]

This thread is outstanding, percy.

 

[DFWJC]

All of that is true. But the thing that alot of people ignore or dont even mention is in 2007 Dallas was ranked 3 on offense and 9 on defense. And when it mattered Romo laid a egg. Giants had 253 total yrds on offense in the game. Scored 21 points. Dallas had 154 yrds rushing. Romo had 201 yrds passing and 1 td and 1 int.

Romo is a good QB nobody can dispute that. But he just seems like a QB who cant win a big game. People point to 2012-2013 as the bases for Romos career, ignoring the fact that Romo has had complete teams in his career.

When Dallas did on very rare occasion have all around team with Romo, they went 13-3, got a 1st playoff bye, and lost a close second round Playoff game to a team that everyone failed to beat in the playoffs.
That is not laying an egg

 

[percyhoward]

right now Romo is a notch below Danny White....nothing more nothing less.....

Let's hear your logical basis for that one.

 

[DFWJC]

Luck s



The Colts have a Top 10 Defense and Andrew Luck is a good young QB, what is your point? If we had a top ten defense we would have been in the playoffs too.

100% for sure

 

[HappyOnions]

You know, it is possible that Russell Wilson is a good football player. Just sayin'...

It's all conjecture as to how each guy would do on the other team. It's not any more invalid to say that Romo would struggle and Wilson would flourish and vise versa.

 

[Frosty]

Let's hear your logical basis for that one.

Simple put, Danny White took the Cowboys to 3 straight NFC Championships games......Yes, he too, could not win the big one but that is 3 NFC Championship games....vs... Romo who has only 1 playoff win to his name and is held responsible (right or wrong) by the fans and media for countless loses....under Romo the mantra is all about.....winning elimination games....not championships....IMO...Danny White and Tony Romo are one of the same cloth... Danny White is notch above Romo due to NFC Championships.

Its not a stats game....its about wins and loses

 

[bark]

Simple put, Danny White took the Cowboys to 3 straight NFC Championships games......Yes, he too, could not win the big one but that is 3 NFC Championship games....vs... Romo who has only 1 playoff win to his name and is held responsible (right or wrong) by the fans and media for countless loses....under Romo the mantra is all about.....winning elimination games....not championships....IMO...Danny White and Tony Romo are one of the same cloth... Danny White is notch above Romo due to NFC Championships.

Its not a stats game....its about wins and loses

I would say the defense of the Danny white cowboys might have helped a bit more than Tonys . They still called them doomsday back then

 

[Frosty]

I would say the defense of the Danny white cowboys might have helped a bit more than Tonys . They still called them doomsday back then

Agree to some point, under Romo the Cowboys have had some really good defenses....unfortunately none in last few years...

 

[percyhoward]

Simple put, Danny White took the Cowboys to 3 straight NFC Championships games......Yes, he too, could not win the big one but that is 3 NFC Championship games....vs... Romo who has only 1 playoff win to his name and is held responsible (right or wrong) by the fans and media for countless loses....under Romo the mantra is all about.....winning elimination games....not championships....IMO...Danny White and Tony Romo are one of the same cloth... Danny White is notch above Romo due to NFC Championships.

Its not a stats game....its about wins and loses

Not that simplicity is completely without merit, but we're talking players -- not teams/coaches.

 

[percyhoward]

Romos number get bloated by running the hurry up no huddle in games late when they are down. Thats a big chunk of Romo's success throughout his career.

Yeah, good luck showing how running a no huddle automatically improves passer rating.

 

[birdwells1]

At some point you have to wonder how much better than the rest of the team do we have a right to expect pass offense to be.

Well we talk about what It took to get to a game 16 win or in go home, why cant we expect the same performance in the actual game?