Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[cml750]

I'm not so sure the positioning of everyone's head applies with your analogy. Have you ever noticed cowboyvic's avatar?

I had to look cowboyvic up to refresh my memory but I agree you are correct.

 

[DallasEast]

For the several guys on this board and you know who you are....

One question for you all? Since you all despise him, do you root for or against Tony Romo on game day? Remember he is a part of the team so don't say I just root for the Dallas Cowboys.

That's the kind of question that will net you zero or partial disclosure. Anyone inclined towards answering it may not be completely honest with themselves about Tony Romo. They may not give you a true answer in turn.

Case in point, I despise Terrell Owens. Could not stand him long before the Star incident. That personal inclination never changed once he become a Cowboy. Even though I gave him his props for his play, my feelings did not change. Although I have repeatedly referred to him as a true Hall of Fame talent, I would not urinate on him if he and I were in the middle of the desert and he were spontaneously combusting.

Did any of the above make me a hypocrite during his days as a Cowboy? Most definitely. I admitted as much back then, on this very board, as I do now. I love the Cowboys. Can't stand that guy. Never rooted for him WHILE HE WAS HELPING THE TEAM BE SUCCESSFUL.

I am perfectly fine with my hypocrisy about the Terrell Owens in Dallas era. Never denied the label whenever I was charged with it. Still could not care less if charged with it now. Again, I can't stand that guy. Expletive.

Now, can you get that same level of honesty from other members? Who knows? People tend to shy away from calling themselves hypocrites, even when it is the truth.

 

[Aurican]

If Romo was close to Peyton Manning's level this team would be in the playoffs every year. The Colt's defense was a joke for most of Peyton's Manning's time there and he consistently had his team winning 12 or more games. Romo is a good player that plays great against weak teams and struggles against good ones, he is not an elite player or close to an all-time great.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I don't see how they can. They will lie and say they do, but I don't see how they can spend this much time piling on him but then on gameday root for him. It's like some of the situations you find yourself in when playing fantasy football. They want the Cowboys to win, but they want Romo to play as bad as possible. And if we lose, they want him to be as much to blame as possible.

Agree. There's no way the ten percenters can root for Romo on game day because they are absolutely convinced that we would be winning playoff games and Super Bowls with somebody else, anybody else.

They are clenching their teeth in anger right now at yet another upcoming wasted season because somebody else, anybody else, could elevate us to greatness again.

They shudder to even consider there could be another 3 or 4 more years of Romo when somebody else, anybody else, could dominate the league despite the organization, coaching, offensive line and defense of recent years.

For them, somebody else, anybody else could elevate their game and this team when it matters the most.

In an ironic twist, In their eyes - without somebody else, anybody else, we have wasted the Romo years --

With him.

 

[jobberone]

I generally debate the Romo's a bum yada group not to even think of changing their minds but to add debate to the site and allow others to make their mind up based on the facts.

There are only stats and eyeballs to tell what the guy is doing unless you want to listen to what others think which is fine but not my thing. I do use their input into forming an opinion IF I think they actually know something and it is selective. It's eyeball first then do the stats support that observation. Stats are merely measurements and that is the basis for starting to refute or prove something.

Many here cry about the stats because they definitely don't support the idea Romo is a poor QB. And they selectively pick and choose when to bring up the eyeball stat. Most of what I find annoying is the inability to discern the many variables that go into why a team wins or loses. To some here if the team wins it's in spite of Romo and if they lose then there....I told you so. Variables that are prime determinants in winning and losing in the league are dismissed as.....well....stats.

 

[Animosity]

If Romo was close to Peyton Manning's level this team would be in the playoffs every year. The Colt's defense was a joke for most of Peyton's Manning's time there and he consistently had his team winning 12 or more games. Romo is a good player that plays great against weak teams and struggles against good ones, he is not an elite player or close to an all-time great.

The team was 2-14 without him. This team wouldn't miss a beat without Romo. Remember how we won more games with a backup QB on his last legs than we did with Romo.. who was 1-5.

 

[12+88=7]

Which is why Wilson has a ring, and Romo will never sniff one. Romo can't be trusted to come through in the clutch. He doesn't throw two stupid INT's against Denver and Green Bay, we're probably a playoff team.

On the other side of that argument is if the defense makes Denver punt at least once in the game or doesn't allow GB 5 consecutive 2nd half TD drives, or stops Detroit from going 80 yards with 1 minute left in the game, Dallas probably makes the playoffs.

Two years ago Dallas lost 4 games when leading by 10 points in the 4th QT. Had the defense showed late in those games, Dallas probably would have made the playoffs.

Looking at the numbers Percy posted, Romo is equal to the tier 1 QB's. Even if Dallas had a tier 1 QB the results would probably be the same.

Romo is NOT the problem, THE PROBLEM IS THE DEFENSE!!!

Look at the championships won by Wilson, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, and E. Manning.

The defense was the catalyst each time. Wilson and Roethlisberger had the best defenses all year, and Rodgers and Manning had the best defenses during the playoffs. Their defenses came together at the right time and carried the teams to championships.

Fix the defense and this whole "Romo is not the right QB" will go away.

 

[Animosity]

On the other side of that argument is if the defense makes Denver punt at least once in the game or doesn't allow GB 5 consecutive 2nd half TD drives, or stops Detroit from going 80 yards with 1 minute left in the game, Dallas probably makes the playoffs.

And IF Romo doesn't throw 2 interceptions against the Packers.. we would have made the playoffs

And IF Romo didn't lay an egg against the Saints and Bears, we would have made the playoffs

And IF the Cowboys defense didn't abuse Nick Foles (with Romo playing like ****), we wouldn't have been in the position to make the playoffs.

I like this IF game

 

[Super_Kazuya]

The team was 2-14 without him. This team wouldn't miss a beat without Romo. Remember how we won more games with a backup QB on his last legs than we did with Romo.. who was 1-5.

What a surprising take from you. I literally had no idea. You continue to present original perspectives that I had no idea you possessed.

 

[Animosity]

What a surprising take from you. I literally had no idea. You continue to present original perspectives that I had no idea you possessed.

Yes... I enjoy pointing out FACTS.. like Romo going 1-5 in 2010, and some 40 year old backup QB winning more games than him (and playing better). Maybe that injury was a blessing in disguise.. because that team would have potentially gone 1-15 with Romo.

 

[jnday]

The team was 2-14 without him. This team wouldn't miss a beat without Romo. Remember how we won more games with a backup QB on his last legs than we did with Romo.. who was 1-5.

You should know better than to bring that up. It proves that there are other QBs in this league that can win in Romo's situation. That is not popular around here. In many poster's eyes, Romo is the only option at QB that can lead this team to these 8-8 seasons. By the way, you are labeled a hater if you don't think Romo is elite and can walk on water.

 

[12+88=7]

And IF Romo doesn't throw 2 interceptions against the Packers.. we would have made the playoffs

And IF Romo didn't lay an egg against the Saints and Bears, we would have made the playoffs

And IF the Cowboys defense didn't abuse Nick Foles (with Romo playing like ****), we wouldn't have been in the position to make the playoffs.

I like this IF game

Do you even read the posts.

Section 444 said it was Romo's fault in the Denver and GB games that Dallas lost because of INTs, but the reality was that the defense lost those games.

I love how you bring up the NO and Chicago games. Those are easily the worst defensive games by Dallas last year, but of course it's Romo's fault..

There are no "ifs", the problem with Dallas is with the defense not the QB.

Take off your Romo blinders and you might see the forest through the trees.

It the defense stupid.

 

[Animosity]

You should know better than to bring that up. It proves that there are other QBs in this league that can win in Romo's situation. That is not popular around here. In many poster's eyes, Romo is the only option at QB that can lead this team to these 8-8 seasons. By the way, you are labeled a hater if you don't think Romo is elite and can walk on water.

I better not bring those facts into this forum anymore. Let's just pretend Romo didn't go 1-5, and that some backup 40 year old QB didn't win more games than him with the same team against better competition. Let's all live in la-la land where Romo is an elite QB and, despite his age and (lack of) success in this league, will take the 'Boys to the Super Bowl.. Yipppeee!

 

[Animosity]

Do you even read the posts.

Section 444 said it was Romo's fault in the Denver and GB games that Dallas lost because of INTs, but the reality was that the defense lost those games.

I love how you bring up the NO and Chicago games. Those are easily the worst defensive games by Dallas last year, but of course it's Romo's fault..

There are no "ifs", the problem with Dallas is with the defense not the QB.

Take off your Romo blinders and you might see the forest through the trees.

It the defense stupid.

I don't blame Romo for the Denver loss, I blame him for the Packers loss. He threw 2 interceptions in the 4th QUARTER.. resulting in scores by the Packers. You have some nerve to blame that on the defense. Romo choked and he gave the Packers great field position. You really got some nerve.

And where were the excuses when the Colts defense gave up 44 points against the Chiefs in a PLAYOFF GAME? Oh yeah.. this 2nd year QB put the team on his back(1/3 of his starters on IR) and WON it in a shootout. That's a real QB right there.. Not the one we have here and the fake Cowboy fans(Who are just Romo fans) who blame the defense for everything.

Romo throws 2 interceptions with 4 minutes left to play... resulting in great field position for the Packers and two scores... and these Romo fanboys are blaming the defense?


lmao!

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I better not bring those facts into this forum anymore. Let's just pretend Romo didn't go 1-5, and that some backup 40 year old QB didn't win more games than him with the same team against better competition. Let's all live in la-la land where Romo is an elite QB and, despite his age and (lack of) success in this league, will take the 'Boys to the Super Bowl.. Yipppeee!

I have no idea what you're babbling about with your made up, cornball football stats. And Kitna was 38, not 40 for the record.

 

[Animosity]

I have no idea what you're babbling about with your made up, cornball football stats. And Kitna was 38, not 40 for the record.

I guess you were born after the Cowboys 2010 season then. Let's just pretend none of that happened.. ok?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I guess you were born after the Cowboys 2010 season then. Let's just pretend none of that happened.. ok?

I know what happened, it just doesn't have anything to do with the fantasy world that you live in.

 

[jnday]

I better not bring those facts into this forum anymore. Let's just pretend Romo didn't go 1-5, and that some backup 40 year old QB didn't win more games than him with the same team against better competition. Let's all live in la-la land where Romo is an elite QB and, despite his age and (lack of) success in this league, will take the 'Boys to the Super Bowl.. Yipppeee!

The popular opinion of Romo on this board is that losing is never his fault. At one time, Cowboy fans would not put up with the constant disappointments by a QB. Now they make excuses for it. Romo-lovers can not stand to think that there are other QBs that could win as many games as he has. Their eyes are blind to any other option.

 

[Animosity]

I know what happened, it just doesn't have anything to do with the fantasy world that you live in.

So Romo didnt go 1-5 against teams like the Giants, Commanders, Titans, and Vikings? The 40 year old backup QB didn't win more games with the same team and against better competition? The backup didn't average more PPG with the same exact team than Romo? Somebody is in denial.

 

[Animosity]

The popular opinion of Romo on this board is that losing is never his fault. At one time, Cowboy fans would not put up with the constant disappointments by a QB. Now they make excuses for it. Romo-lovers can not stand to think that there are other QBs that could win as many games as he has. Their eyes are blind to any other option.

Thats true. We make the playoffs with Jon Kitna starting in 2010. Hell, you give Jon Kitna 8 years.. and he will win one playoff game like Romo(possibly more).