Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[Super_Kazuya]

So Romo didnt go 1-5 against teams like the Giants, Commanders, Titans, and Vikings? The 40 year old backup QB didn't win more games with the same team and against better competition? The backup didn't average more PPG with the same exact team than Romo? Somebody is in denial.

Like I said, get back to me when you have real stats, not fake made up cornball stats. If you can't find it on NFL.com, don't come to me with it. And Kitna was 38, not 40. There's a free change you can make to get your fact total up to 1.

 

[12+88=7]

I don't blame Romo for the Denver loss, I blame him for the Packers loss. He threw 2 interceptions in the 4th QUARTER.. resulting in scores by the Packers. You have some nerve to blame that on the defense. Romo choked and he gave the Packers great field position. You really got some nerve.

And where were the excuses when the Colts defense gave up 44 points against the Chiefs in a PLAYOFF GAME? Oh yeah.. this 2nd year QB put the team on his back(1/3 of his starters on IR) and WON it in a shootout. That's a real QB right there.. Not the one we have here and the fake Cowboy fans(Who are just Romo fans) who blame the defense for everything.

Romo throws 2 interceptions with 4 minutes left to play... resulting in great field position for the Packers and two scores... and these Romo fanboys are blaming the defense?


lmao!

And it would have been nice if the defense stopped GB at least one, and not allowed 5 CONSECUTIVE TD drives in the 2nd half.

The defense lost the game, not Romo.

The defense was responsible for 6 of the 8 losses last year, SD, Denver, Detroit, NO, Chicago, and GB

SD and GB, couldn't stop them in the 2nd half.

Denver, NO, and Chicago couldn't stop them the whole game.

Detroit, the worst loss of the year, couldn't stop them 80 yards away with a minute left.

 

[jnday]

I don't blame Romo for the Denver loss, I blame him for the Packers loss. He threw 2 interceptions in the 4th QUARTER.. resulting in scores by the Packers. You have some nerve to blame that on the defense. Romo choked and he gave the Packers great field position. You really got some nerve.

And where were the excuses when the Colts defense gave up 44 points against the Chiefs in a PLAYOFF GAME? Oh yeah.. this 2nd year QB put the team on his back(1/3 of his starters on IR) and WON it in a shootout. That's a real QB right there.. Not the one we have here and the fake Cowboy fans(Who are just Romo fans) who blame the defense for everything.

Romo throws 2 interceptions with 4 minutes left to play... resulting in great field position for the Packers and two scores... and these Romo fanboys are blaming the defense?


lmao!

You are really on a roll. By the way, QBs can't put a team on their back and win games in Dallas like they did years ago. Your point about Luck proves that it is still possible in this league.

 

[Animosity]

Like I said, get back to me when you have real stats, not fake made up cornball stats. If you can't find it on NFL.com, don't come to me with it. And Kitna was 38, not 40. There's a free change you can make to get your fact total up to 1.

Fine, keep acting like a child. Just ignore the fact that Kitna did better than Romo with the same team during that season.

 

[Animosity]

And it would have been nice if the defense stopped GB at least one, and not allowed 5 CONSECUTIVE TD drives in the 2nd half.

The defense lost the game, not Romo.

The defense was responsible for 6 of the 8 losses last year, SD, Denver, Detroit, NO, Chicago, and GB
.

There's no point in arguing with you if you can't deal with the fact that Romo was the reason why we lost to the Packers. 2 interceptions, great field position, 4 minutes left... yeah.. let's blame the defense!

You are really on a roll. By the way, QBs can't put a team on their back and win games in Dallas like they did years ago. Your point about Luck proves that it is still possible in this league.

That's because Luck is a real QB. No excuses from anyone. He is a 2nd year QB that inherited a 2-14 team. No running game, no o-line, his starting running back, wide receiver, and tight end on the IR.. Colts give up 44 points.. did anyone blame the defense? Nope... Luck carries the Colts and beats the Chiefs in a shootout..

oh.. and the Chiefs had the 5th best ranked defense in the league.

Luck would make the Cowboys a playoff team instantly.

Cowboys fans make excuses for a 10+ year 100 million dollar veteran like Romo when we lose because of him(Packers game, for instance). No one makes excuses for Luck, who is the real deal.

 

[DandyDon1722]

The popular opinion of Romo on this board is that losing is never his fault. At one time, Cowboy fans would not put up with the constant disappointments by a QB. Now they make excuses for it. Romo-lovers can not stand to think that there are other QBs that could win as many games as he has. Their eyes are blind to any other option.

Absolutely not true, it's another weak and cliched generalization. He has contributed to losses with same bad interceptions, no doubt about it. So has Manning in big games. Hell, Tom Brady has thrown 3 INT 's in TWO separate AFC Championship games and WON them both. Big Ben threw for 2 INT's and 0 TD' with a 26 QB rating and WON a Super Bowl.

Their TEAM's and coaching bailed him out despite horrific performances. Care to argue that? I didn't think so because you can't.

What you fail to grasp at MANY times, Cowboy fans have had to put up with Stoerner and Hutchinson and Pueller and Carter and Leaf and on and on. Please refer to an earlier post I made on this page. You are convinced somebody or anybody else could win with this team the last few years when in fact, as Percy has pointed out before, historically nobody could.

Romo has brought us way more success than we have deserved and he has deserved more than he's received.

 

[jnday]

There's no point in arguing with you if you can't deal with the fact that Romo was the reason why we lost to the Packers. 2 interceptions, great field position, 4 minutes left... yeah.. let's blame the defense!



That's because Luck is a real QB. No excuses from anyone. He is a 2nd year QB that inherited a 2-14 team. No running game, no o-line, his starting running back, wide receiver, and tight end on the IR.. Colts give up 44 points.. did anyone blame the defense? Nope... Luck carries the Colts and beats the Chiefs in a shootout..

oh.. and the Chiefs had the 5th best ranked defense in the league.

Luck would make the Cowboys a playoff team instantly.

Cowboys fans make excuses for a 10+ year 100 million dollar veteran like Romo when we lose because of him(Packers game, for instance). No one makes excuses for Luck, who is the real deal.

Romo does require a ton of excuses to maintain his fanbase. Without the excuses, it doesn't take long to see that he is not capable of taking this team to the playoffs or winning on a regular basis.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Fine, keep acting like a child. Just ignore the fact that Kitna did better than Romo with the same team during that season.

LOL, how is that any different than your typical shtick? People present you with facts, you ignore them and just type the same thing over and over again, except in caps this time. I'm delighted to have annoyed you.

At his peak, Kitna was a good quarterback, closer to Romo than most people would give him credit for. So him coming in and doing a good job is not really that big of a surprise. But he was not in any way, shape or form better than Romo. His rating (88.9) and QBR (45.0) are well below Romo's typical season. He did very well with a great completion percentage and a respectable yards per attempt, but did not generate enough big plays and turned the ball over too much.

 

[12+88=7]

There's no point in arguing with you if you can't deal with the fact that Romo was the reason why we lost to the Packers. 2 interceptions, great field position, 4 minutes left... yeah.. let's blame the defense!



That's because Luck is a real QB. No excuses from anyone. He is a 2nd year QB that inherited a 2-14 team. No running game, no o-line, his starting running back, wide receiver, and tight end on the IR.. Colts give up 44 points.. did anyone blame the defense? Nope... Luck carries the Colts and beats the Chiefs in a shootout..

oh.. and the Chiefs had the 5th best ranked defense in the league.

Luck would make the Cowboys a playoff team instantly.

Cowboys fans make excuses for a 10+ year 100 million dollar veteran like Romo when we lose because of him(Packers game, for instance). No one makes excuses for Luck, who is the real deal.

When Dallas had a huge lead at halftime over Detroit a few years ago and Romo threw back to back Pick6's to let Detroit BACK in the game, it was Romo's fault.

When the defense can't make a defensive stop that allows GB BACK into the game and Romo ultimately throws INTs that result in Dallas losing, it's the defense's fault for allowing Dallas to be in that position. Had the defense showed up in the 3rd QT, Romo never would have thrown the INTs in the 4th QT.

If you believe that Romo is the problem with Dallas and getting one of the elite QB's will make Dallas a playoff team and SB contender you are sadly mistaken and completely WRONG.

The problem is the defense. If you don't see that, then there is no help for you.

 

[jnday]

LOL, how is that any different than your typical shtick? People present you with facts, you ignore them and just type the same thing over and over again, except in caps this time. I'm delighted to have annoyed you.

At his peak, Kitna was a good quarterback, closer to Romo than most people would give him credit for. So him coming in and doing a good job is not really that big of a surprise. But he was not in any way, shape or form better than Romo. His rating (88.9) and QBR (45.0) are well below Romo's typical season. He did very well with a great completion percentage and a respectable yards per attempt, but did not generate enough big plays and turned the ball over too much.

But he won. Just a little fact for you.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

But he won. Just a little fact for you.

The Cowboys won. Now it's a fact, troll.

 

[DanteEXT]

If Romo was close to Peyton Manning's level this team would be in the playoffs every year. The Colt's defense was a joke for most of Peyton's Manning's time there and he consistently had his team winning 12 or more games. Romo is a good player that plays great against weak teams and struggles against good ones, he is not an elite player or close to an all-time great.

5 of his seasons in Indy the defense was top 10 in scoring. The two worst defenses backing him up were 1998 (27.8) and 2001 (30.4). Did the Colt's win 12 games and make the playoffs? I'll give you a hint, the answer does not begin with the letter y. The three best winning seasons of 13, 13 and 14 games gave up 20.8, 16.4 and 19.2.

For the ten seasons the Colts went to the playoffs with Manning under center, the defense gave up an average of 20 ppg.

Yep... they were a joke.

 

[Moderately_Askew]

The team was 2-14 without him. This team wouldn't miss a beat without Romo. Remember how we won more games with a backup QB on his last legs than we did with Romo.. who was 1-5.

Let's get some things straight that were conveniently glossed over in this post. The team was 1-5 going into the Giants game when Romo left the game in the second quarter with a broken left clavicle after going 5/7 for 39 yards and a TD. With Romo out the team gave up on Wade Philips with Kitna playing going 0-2. When Jason Garrett took over the team responded by going 5-3. Kitna had a 65.7 completion % and threw for 2,365 yards,16 TDs, 12 INTs for a 88.9 rating in 10.5 games going 5-5. In 5.5 games Romo had a 69.5 completion % and threw for 1,605 yards, 11 TDs, 7 INTs for a 94.9 rating.

I am not a rocket scientist, but it is clear that Romo was much better than Kitna. Romo gave the team a better chance to win, and it was obvious that coaching was the problem.

 

[DanteEXT]

The team was 2-14 without him. This team wouldn't miss a beat without Romo. Remember how we won more games with a backup QB on his last legs than we did with Romo.. who was 1-5.

Problem with that argument is it assumes guys like Painter are a quality NFL starter. Do you think that? I feel sorry for you if you do.

Bill Polian was NFL radio discussing that year. His statement was that after the 2010 season many people in the organization felt like 2011 wasn't going to their year even with Manning. Those people felt like it was time to sorta tear it down and start anew. In the end, the organization decided to give it one more shot and... well.... we all saw the results.

 

[5Stars]

I am glad that I don't watch ESPN. I will just say that I disagree with everything you said. A QB does touch the ball every play and the good ones are an extension of the OC on the field. It is common knowledge that this is a QB driven game. Without good QB play, winning is rare. You use a simple handoff as an example that requires no special skill. Maybe you missed the tons of turnovers and negative plays that failing to execute a handoff has caused. It seems that you don't have much respect or appreciation for the QB position. If it was so easy, you could do it. I didn't know the most important position on the team was so overrated.

OMG...! That is a lie! The QB does not touch the ball on every play, period! When the the other team has the ball, Romo is on the sideline. Learn the game....troll.

 

[KJJ]

Three recurring themes: (1) looking only at elimination games while ignoring what got the team into those games, (2)using popular opinion to try to refute facts, and (3)using a team stat to judge an individual.

You're the last person who should be nailing me with recurring themes when we see the same recurring theme with you in every thread you start. All you ever do is focus on Romo's regular season stats/passer ratings in search of situations that will rank him along side SB winning QB's while ignoring his stats/passer ratings in elimination games. As soon as I mentioned "elimination games" you responded by saying this thread isn't about elimination games. Anytime I mention Romo's elimination games you either ignore it or get defensive because the recurring theme with you has always been to find situations where his stats/passer ratings can be used to compare him favorably with SB winning QB's regardless of his elimination game record or how he's performed in those games.

The Cowboys have gotten to elimination games the past 3 seasons primarily due to playing in a weak division where all they've needed was 9 wins to win the NFC East. No one is using popular opinion to try and refute facts. The FACTS are Romo hasn't performed to the same level in elimination games that he has during the less critical games and his stats/passer ratings that you place so much importance on are proof positive. A W/L record is a team stat but it's also a QB/HC stat because a QB and a HC have a great influence on the outcome of games. Baseball pitchers are given a W/L record because they have a great influence on the outcome of games. The QB touches the ball on every offensive snap and whether you like it or not they're going to be judged on wins/losses and their decision making just like a HC. Lombardi, Landry, Shula and Noll were all judged on their W/L record and the championships their teams won.

Montana, Bradshaw and Aikman were judged on their W/L record primarily in championship games. Had Aikman had a 1-3 playoff record he would have never sniffed the HOF. Had Montana not won 4 SB's and played to the extremely high level he did in those games he wouldn't be considered by many as the greatest QB in NFL history. The games you want to ignore due to Romo's poor performances are the games that made the careers of Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman and Bart Starr. It's wasn't about their regular season stats/passer ratings it was about getting it done in the big do or die games. It was about playing to an even higher level in those games than they did during the regular season that made them great QB's. Wins and losses are a team stat but QB's hold a position where they're going to receive most of the glory for the wins and most of the blame for the losses. It's not fair but it's the nature of the position it's always been that way and it always will.

Romo plays in a passing era where the rules have been bent to perfect the performances of QB's which is why he holds every Cowboys passing record and why 7 of the top 10 career passing rating leaders are all current QB's. The rules have been bent so much that a QB like Mark Sanchez has a higher career passing rating and completion percentage than Joe Namath. With the numbers being inflated today by all the rule changes and the way TE's and WR's are being used in spread offenses it's ridiculous to make statistical comparisons especially using passer ratings with QB's of today and with those from 20+ years ago. If you enjoy wasting time sitting at your computer compiling situational stats/passer ratings that glorify Romo ranking him with championship winning QB's from decades ago to the present feel free but none of the statistical rankings you come up will ever change the perception many have of him or the stigma he carries. The only thing that's going to change how Romo is viewed by those who don't carry a pro Romo bias is leading the Cowboys to a championship.

 

[DanteEXT]

I don't blame Romo for the Denver loss, I blame him for the Packers loss. He threw 2 interceptions in the 4th QUARTER.. resulting in scores by the Packers. You have some nerve to blame that on the defense. Romo choked and he gave the Packers great field position. You really got some nerve.

And where were the excuses when the Colts defense gave up 44 points against the Chiefs in a PLAYOFF GAME? Oh yeah.. this 2nd year QB put the team on his back(1/3 of his starters on IR) and WON it in a shootout. That's a real QB right there.. Not the one we have here and the fake Cowboy fans(Who are just Romo fans) who blame the defense for everything.

Romo throws 2 interceptions with 4 minutes left to play... resultid tng in great field position for the Packers and two scores... anhese Romo fanboys are blaming the defense?


lmao!

Ummm... ONE score. The INT's resulted in ONE score. Geez... get it right.

Maybe had the defense NOT given up 28 SECOND HALF points before that 1st INT even happened they wouldn't have to shoulder some blame for that game. And the defense gets paid to play, too. They could have stepped up and finally stopped the Packers on their 50 yard go ahead drive. Is that so much to ask? That your defense goes and does its job no matter the situation? Oh... I guess for you it is.

 

[DanteEXT]

Fine, keep acting like a child. Just ignore the fact that Kitna did better than Romo with the same team during that season.

You ignore the fact that Kitna did better only AFTER Wade was fired... before that he was losing multiple games.

 

[jnday]

The Cowboys won. Now it's a fact, troll.

Bless your heart, it looks like you could take being wrong much better considering that it happens so often.

 

[jnday]

You're the last person who should be nailing me with recurring themes when we see the same recurring theme with you in every thread you start. All you ever do is focus on Romo's regular season stats/passer ratings in search of situations that will rank him along side SB winning QB's while ignoring his stats/passer ratings in elimination games. As soon as I mentioned "elimination games" you responded by saying this thread isn't about elimination games. Anytime I mention Romo's elimination games you either ignore it or get defensive because the recurring theme with you has always been to find situations where his stats/passer ratings can be used to compare him favorably with SB winning QB's regardless of his elimination game record or how he's performed in those games.

The Cowboys have gotten to elimination games the past 3 seasons primarily due to playing in a weak division where all they've needed was 9 wins to win the NFC East. No one is using popular opinion to try and refute facts. The FACTS are Romo hasn't performed to the same level in elimination games that he has during the less critical games and his stats/passer ratings that you place so much importance on are proof positive. A W/L record is a team stat but it's also a QB/HC stat because a QB and a HC have a great influence on the outcome of games. Baseball pitchers are given a W/L record because they have a great influence on the outcome of games. The QB touches the ball on every offensive snap and whether you like it or not they're going to be judged on wins/losses and their decision making just like a HC. Lombardi, Landry, Shula and Noll were all judged on their W/L record and the championships their teams won.

Montana, Bradshaw and Aikman were judged on their W/L record primarily in championship games. Had Aikman had a 1-3 playoff record he would have never sniffed the HOF. Had Montana not won 4 SB's and played to the extremely high level he did in those games he wouldn't be considered by many as the greatest QB in NFL history. The games you want to ignore due to Romo's poor performances are the games that made the careers of Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman and Bart Starr. It's wasn't about their regular season stats/passer ratings it was about getting it done in the big do or die games. It was about playing to an even higher level in those games than they did during the regular season that made them great QB's. Wins and losses are a team stat but QB's hold a position where they're going to receive most of the glory for the wins and most of the blame for the losses. It's not fair but it's the nature of the position it's always been that way and it always will.

Romo plays in a passing era where the rules have been bent to perfect the performances of QB's which is why he holds every Cowboys passing record and why 7 of the top 10 career passing rating leaders are all current QB's. The rules have been bent so much that a QB like Mark Sanchez has a higher career passing rating and completion percentage than Joe Namath. With the numbers being inflated today by all the rule changes and the way TE's and WR's are being used in spread offenses it's ridiculous to make statistical comparisons especially using passer ratings with QB's of today and with those from 20+ years ago. If you enjoy wasting time sitting at your computer compiling situational stats/passer ratings that glorify Romo ranking him with championship winning QB's from decades ago to the present feel free but none of the statistical rankings you come up will ever change the perception many have of him or the stigma he carries. The only thing that's going to change how Romo is viewed by those who don't carry a pro Romo bias is leading the Cowboys to a championship.

This is a great post that will be ignored because it doesn't fit the pro-Romo crowd's agenda. Great QBs step their games up in the big games and they don't need excuses to make them better than they really are. It is so sad to see the fanbase go from such high standards to making excuses for average players in an effort to make them great.