Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[jnday]

You ignore the fact that Kitna did better only AFTER Wade was fired... before that he was losing multiple games.

Does that really matter? Just stop with the excuses.

 

[Nation]

Does that really matter? Just stop with the excuses.

Yes. The team was in the tank under Wade. Post Wade they were not. That's what impacted the W/L record from then on.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Bless your heart, it looks like you could take being wrong much better considering that it happens so often.

I will accept your sage counsel, coming from the forum whipping boy for being on the wrong side of things...

 

[DanteEXT]

Does that really matter? Just stop with the excuses.

Actually it does matter. Facts are facts even if you don't like them.

 

[jnday]

Actually it does matter. Facts are facts even if you don't like them.

Kitna won games. Romo was not. Those are the facts that get my attention.

 

[jnday]

I will accept your sage counsel, coming from the forum whipping boy for being on the wrong side of things...

That is weak, even for you

 

[gimmesix]

this 'elevate' bs is probably the dumbest argument Romo haters like you bring up

No, it's true. I personally saw Staubach elevate Harvey Martin, Randy White, Ed "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters, Cliff Harris, et al into becoming the Doomsday Defense. If it wasn't for Roger, those guys would have never played great.

And no one can deny that Troy Aikman elevated some no-account bum of a running back to become the all-time league leader.

 

[KJJ]

This is a great post that will be ignored because it doesn't fit the pro-Romo crowd's agenda. Great QBs step their games up in the big games and they don't need excuses to make them better than they really are. It is so sad to see the fanbase go from such high standards to making excuses for average players in an effort to make them great.

It's going to be ignored or scoffed upon by those who have a Romo bias because it exposes why he carries the stigma he does. Great QB's step up their play in the games that matter most we saw that with Montana, Aikman and Bradshaw. There wasn't anything real special about their regular season performances but they really stepped up when it was all on the line. Montana's best games were in the playoffs and SB. He threw a career high 5 TD passes in the SB vs Denver's #1 defense. Aikman's 4 TD's vs Buffalo in the Cowboys first SB appearance of the 90's was the second most of his career.

Steve Young tossed a career high 6 TD passes in the SB vs San Diego. Bradshaw's 318 yard 4 TD performance vs Dallas in SB XIII was his first 300 yard 4 TD pass game of his career. Romo on the hand has had some of his worst performances in do or die situations which has resulted in 12 turnovers and a 1-6 record. His lowest passer rating game of the 2012 season (55.9) was in the season finale vs Washington in a game that had the NFC East/playoff birth on the line.

 

[Aurican]

5 of his seasons in Indy the defense was top 10 in scoring. The two worst defenses backing him up were 1998 (27.8) and 2001 (30.4). Did the Colt's win 12 games and make the playoffs? I'll give you a hint, the answer does not begin with the letter y. The three best winning seasons of 13, 13 and 14 games gave up 20.8, 16.4 and 19.2.

For the ten seasons the Colts went to the playoffs with Manning under center, the defense gave up an average of 20 ppg.

Yep... they were a joke.

Nice try in 2003 they were 19th in pts allowed and won 12 games, 2004 they were 20th and won 12 games, in 2006 the year they won the SB they were ranked 23rd and by the way in Luck's rookie year when the Colts won 11 games they were 21st in points allowed. These excuses that Romo is Elite and it's all the defense's fault are BS.

 

[5Stars]

It's going to be ignored or scoffed upon by those who have a Romo bias because it exposes why he carries the stigma he does. Great QB's step up their play in the games that matter most we saw that with Montana, Aikman and Bradshaw. There wasn't anything real special about their regular season performances but they really stepped up when it was all on the line. Montana's best games were in the playoffs and SB. He threw a career high 5 TD passes in the SB vs Denver's #1 defense. Aikman's 4 TD's vs Buffalo in the Cowboys first SB appearance of the 90's was the second most of his career.

Steve Young tossed a career high 6 TD passes in the SB vs San Diego. Bradshaw's 318 yard 4 TD pass performance vs Dallas in SB XIII was his first 300 yard 4 TD pass game of his career. Romo on the hand has had some of his worst performances in do or die situations which has resulted in 12 turnovers and a 1-6 record. His lowest passer rating game of the 2012 season (55.9) was in the season finale vs Washington in a game that had the NFC East/playoff birth on the line.

blah, blah, blah....you have posted this same crap for months and months on end!

Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw, Steve Young all were on different teams that Romo is on. But, troll on...pretty soon you may have 8 million and 6 followers on the internet. smh

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Kitna won games. Romo was not. Those are the facts that get my attention.

Kitna didn't win any games, troll. Your grasp of football seems to be getting worse as time goes by, not better.

 

[KJJ]

I left out the fact that the greatest play of Troy Aikman's career (the 70 yard pass to Harper) occurred in the final 5 minutes of a one score game on the road at Candlestick Park in the NFC title game vs a 14-2 SF team that was a 4 point favorite.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

There's no point in arguing with you if you can't deal with the fact that Romo was the reason why we lost to the Packers. 2 interceptions, great field position, 4 minutes left... yeah.. let's blame the defense!



That's because Luck is a real QB. No excuses from anyone. He is a 2nd year QB that inherited a 2-14 team. No running game, no o-line, his starting running back, wide receiver, and tight end on the IR.. Colts give up 44 points.. did anyone blame the defense? Nope... Luck carries the Colts and beats the Chiefs in a shootout..

oh.. and the Chiefs had the 5th best ranked defense in the league.

Luck would make the Cowboys a playoff team instantly.

Cowboys fans make excuses for a 10+ year 100 million dollar veteran like Romo when we lose because of him(Packers game, for instance). No one makes excuses for Luck, who is the real deal.

If luck played in the NFC with that team he doesn't make the playoffs. AFC South has been a joke with Jack and the Titans giving away wins.

 

[Picksix]

But he won. Just a little fact for you.

With Dallas? In the games he started, they went 5-4. In the NYG game where Romo got hurt, they had a lead when he entered the game, but then lost.

 

[DanteEXT]

Nice try in 2003 they were 19th in pts allowed and won 12 games, 2004 they were 20th and won 12 games, in 2006 the year they won the SB they were ranked 23rd and by the way in Luck's rookie year when the Colts won 11 games they were 21st in points allowed. These excuses that Romo is Elite and it's all the defense's fault are BS.

Nice try? Refute it... oh that's right, you can't.

2003 and 2004 puts them in the middle third of the league.. or in other words - average. Far cry from a joke. Now 2006 they were JUST barely in the bottom third. But still not a joke. Oh... and by the way, in the playoffs in 2006 they were the 2nd best defense in ppg behind the Ravens. Dropped their 22.5 regular season to 16.2. But yeah, that was all Peyton... did it all by himself. Ha!

Fact is he had average to sometimes great defenses more often than not his entire career in Indy. The two times he had truly atrocious defenses like Dallas did last year they won 3 and 6 games.

FYI, I was not arguing Romo was elite. I was pointing out your BS. Though I probably gave you too much credit for ACTUALLY being able to understand that.

 

[Vtwin]

I left out the fact that the greatest play of Troy Aikman's career (the 70 yard pass to Harper) occurred in the final 5 minutes of a one score game on the road at Candlestick Park in the NFC title game vs a 14-2 SF team that was a 4 point favorite.

Harper caught the ball. Crayton did not.

 

[WhizKid]

Nice try? Refute it... oh that's right, you can't.

2003 and 2004 puts them in the middle third of the league.. or in other words - average. Far cry from a joke. Now 2006 they were JUST barely in the bottom third. But still not a joke. Oh... and by the way, in the playoffs in 2006 they were the 2nd best defense in ppg behind the Ravens. Dropped their 22.5 regular season to 16.2. But yeah, that was all Peyton... did it all by himself. Ha!

Fact is he had average to sometimes great defenses more often than not his entire career in Indy. The two times he had truly atrocious defenses like Dallas did last year they won 3 and 6 games.

FYI, I was not arguing Romo was elite. I was pointing out your BS. Though I probably gave you too much credit for ACTUALLY being able to understand that.

And that whole Dungy thing.

 

[TwoDeep3]

There is an old saying.

There are lies.

Damn lies.

And then there are people with stats.

Not suggesting anyone is lying in this or any other thread.

Just pointing out that in the end, personal stats in a team sport where the team in question has almost two decades of mediocrity is worrying about the wall paper in a luxury suite on the Hindenburg.

 

[5Stars]

You're the last person who should be nailing me with recurring themes when we see the same recurring theme with you in every thread you start. All you ever do is focus on Romo's regular season stats/passer ratings in search of situations that will rank him along side SB winning QB's while ignoring his stats/passer ratings in elimination games. As soon as I mentioned "elimination games" you responded by saying this thread isn't about elimination games. Anytime I mention Romo's elimination games you either ignore it or get defensive because the recurring theme with you has always been to find situations where his stats/passer ratings can be used to compare him favorably with SB winning QB's regardless of his elimination game record or how he's performed in those games.

The Cowboys have gotten to elimination games the past 3 seasons primarily due to playing in a weak division where all they've needed was 9 wins to win the NFC East. No one is using popular opinion to try and refute facts. The FACTS are Romo hasn't performed to the same level in elimination games that he has during the less critical games and his stats/passer ratings that you place so much importance on are proof positive. A W/L record is a team stat but it's also a QB/HC stat because a QB and a HC have a great influence on the outcome of games. Baseball pitchers are given a W/L record because they have a great influence on the outcome of games. The QB touches the ball on every offensive snap and whether you like it or not they're going to be judged on wins/losses and their decision making just like a HC. Lombardi, Landry, Shula and Noll were all judged on their W/L record and the championships their teams won.

Montana, Bradshaw and Aikman were judged on their W/L record primarily in championship games. Had Aikman had a 1-3 playoff record he would have never sniffed the HOF. Had Montana not won 4 SB's and played to the extremely high level he did in those games he wouldn't be considered by many as the greatest QB in NFL history. The games you want to ignore due to Romo's poor performances are the games that made the careers of Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman and Bart Starr. It's wasn't about their regular season stats/passer ratings it was about getting it done in the big do or die games. It was about playing to an even higher level in those games than they did during the regular season that made them great QB's. Wins and losses are a team stat but QB's hold a position where they're going to receive most of the glory for the wins and most of the blame for the losses. It's not fair but it's the nature of the position it's always been that way and it always will.

Romo plays in a passing era where the rules have been bent to perfect the performances of QB's which is why he holds every Cowboys passing record and why 7 of the top 10 career passing rating leaders are all current QB's. The rules have been bent so much that a QB like Mark Sanchez has a higher career passing rating and completion percentage than Joe Namath. With the numbers being inflated today by all the rule changes and the way TE's and WR's are being used in spread offenses it's ridiculous to make statistical comparisons especially using passer ratings with QB's of today and with those from 20+ years ago. If you enjoy wasting time sitting at your computer compiling situational stats/passer ratings that glorify Romo ranking him with championship winning QB's from decades ago to the present feel free but none of the statistical rankings you come up will ever change the perception many have of him or the stigma he carries. The only thing that's going to change how Romo is viewed by those who don't carry a pro Romo bias is leading the Cowboys to a championship.

I don't need to do forensics or post a lengthy page full of stats to expose why Romo carries the stigma he does. - KJJ lmao....what a joke!

 

[5Stars]

There is an old saying.

There are lies.

Damn lies.

And then there are people with stats.

Well, you got two out of the three right, in your way of thinking.