Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[TwoDeep3]

Well, you got two out of the three right, in your way of thinking.

Revisit it, sport. I made it more clear before you posted.

 

[HappyOnions]

"STATS !@#$!@#$! WINS !@#$!@#$ RINGS !@#$!@#$! PASSER RATING!@#$!@#$ WIN OR GO HOME !@#$!@#$ ROMO !@#$!@#$ CHOKES !@#$!@#$ TEAM GAME"

Romo is a statistically great QB; the best one in Cowboys history. But for all those stats, he hasn't been on teams that have accomplished all that much. And yes, Romo is a part of those teams and needs to accept responsibility for his part in it.

You can point to Romo's stats and his team around him, but Romo doesn't get a free pass nor does he deserve all the blame. He's made his fair share of boneheaded plays but he's also made some great ones. Right now, he is what he is. He's a stats machine, but he isn't necessarily a winner.

 

[Picksix]

I left out the fact that the greatest play of Troy Aikman's career (the 70 yard pass to Harper) occurred in the final 5 minutes of a one score game on the road at Candlestick Park in the NFC title game vs a 14-2 SF team that was a 4 point favorite.

The greatest play of Aikman's career? A slant to a wide open Harper, who then ran the other 65 yards. Did he have to avoid a rush? Throw a long pass into coverage for a game winning TD? No. He took a 3-step drop, and threw a 7 yard pass to an open WR, against a defense that was playing run. It was great play, at a very crucial time, but let's not Aikman did anything truly special on that play. I think he would tell you that he made a lot of plays better than that.

 

[Frosty]

Think you all have KICKed the dead horse one too many times with this Tony Romo forensic stuff......Get on to the real issue at hand......SHOW ME the forensic stats on JASON GARRETT.

Coaches and QB;s are connected/responsible for wins and losses in the NFL?

 

[KJJ]

Harper caught the ball. Crayton did not.

No Crayton didn't catch the ball but that play didn't occur with less than 5 minutes to play. That one play didn't result in Romo being off the entire game only completing 50% of his passes with a passer rating of 64.7. Despite Crayton's drop Romo still had a chance to pull the game out in the end but the game ended at the Giants 23 yardline with Romo throwing a pick in the endzone.

 

[5Stars]

"STATS !@#$!@#$! WINS !@#$!@#$ RINGS !@#$!@#$! PASSER RATING!@#$!@#$ WIN OR GO HOME !@#$!@#$ ROMO !@#$!@#$ CHOKES !@#$!@#$ TEAM GAME"

Romo is a statistically great QB; the best one in Cowboys history. But for all those stats, he hasn't been on teams that have accomplished all that much. And yes, Romo is a part of those teams and needs to accept responsibility for his part in it.

You can point to Romo's stats and his team around him, but Romo doesn't get a free pass nor does he deserve all the blame. He's made his fair share of boneheaded plays but he's also made some great ones. Right now, he is what he is. He's a stats machine, but he isn't necessarily a winner.

A good post about stats and teams and how Romo does not get a free pass or does not deserve all the blame, and then you ruin a good post with...

"but HE isn't necessarily a winner". smh

 

[Picksix]

Kitna won games.

Actually, they were 4-4 in games Kitna started. They lost the NYG game after Kitna entered with a lead, and lost the AZ he started. He was pulled at halftime, with the Cowboys losing 21-10, and Kitna having thrown 2 INT's that were both returned for TD's.

 

[12+88=7]

No Crayton didn't catch the ball but that play didn't occur with less than 5 minutes to play. That one play didn't result in Romo being off the entire game only completing 50% of his passes with a passer rating of 64.7. Despite Crayton's drop Romo still had a chance to pull the game out in the end but the game ended at the Giants 23 yardline with Romo throwing a pick in the endzone.

In all fairness, it was 4th down. The INT was the same as an incomplete pass.

Had it occurred on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down, then there would have been significance.

 

[5Stars]

No Crayton didn't catch the ball but that play didn't occur with less than 5 minutes to play. That one play didn't result in Romo being off the entire game only completing 50% of his passes with a passer rating of 64.7. Despite Crayton's drop Romo still had a chance to pull the game out in the end but the game ended at the Giants 23 yardline with Romo throwing a pick in the endzone.

OMG....what the hell are you talking about! If Crayton catches that pass, Romo does not throw a pick or even have to attempt to throw a ball. Troll on...dude. Blame everything on Romo...it's your MO, and unfortunately, it's allowed.

 

[rcaldw]

Sounds like Peyton Manning. I'll take it.

And (though I am not a fan) I'll take Tom Brady. I won't win every time, but I'll win most of the time.

The greatest play of Aikman's career? A slant to a wide open Harper, who then ran the other 65 yards. Did he have to avoid a rush? Throw a long pass into coverage for a game winning TD? No. He took a 3-step drop, and threw a 7 yard pass to an open WR, against a defense that was playing run. It was great play, at a very crucial time, but let's not Aikman did anything truly special on that play. I think he would tell you that he made a lot of plays better than that.

You clearly don't understand the unusual nature of Aikman type accuracy in a timing based offense. The ball a little early or late and Harper never catches it in stride and makes the run that he made. Go back sometime and look at the film of that play.... tell me the yard line where Aikman was standing... tell me the yard line where Harper caught the ball... tell me how long Aikman held the ball... maybe by the time you are done it will begin to dawn on you that that was no average or ordinary play... factor in the he read the defense correctly, because he would have normally wanted to go to Irvin in a clutch situation like that one.

 

[5Stars]

In all fairness, it was 4th down. The INT was the same as an incomplete pass.

Had it occurred on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down, then there would have been significance.

Do you have 8 million online followers? lol

I'll explain later if you don't already know who you are dealing with. lol

 

[whynot]

In all fairness, it was 4th down. The INT was the same as an incomplete pass.

Had it occurred on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down, then there would have been significance.

Exactly, if Romo hadn't thrown the ball into the end zone trying to force a score, it would have been a worse mistake.

 

[Picksix]

So Romo didnt go 1-5 against teams like the Giants, Commanders, Titans, and Vikings? The 40 year old backup QB didn't win more games with the same team and against better competition? The backup didn't average more PPG with the same exact team than Romo? Somebody is in denial.

There you go again. Just seeing what you want to see. In 2010, Romo had a better comp %, a higher passer rating, a better TD %, a better INT %, and a higher yds/attempt. So, if Kitna's numbers weren't as good as Romo's, how did they win those games.

And in the Giants game, Romo left early with the injury - and the lead. Don't see how you put that loss on him. If a starting pitcher leaves after 3 innings and the team has the lead, he doesn't get the loss if his team loses. And the Boys went 4-4 with Kitna starting. They lost after he came in against NYG.

 

[HappyOnions]

A good post about stats and teams and how Romo does not get a free pass or does not deserve all the blame, and then you ruin a good post with...

"but HE isn't necessarily a winner". smh

You're right, I should have rephrased. The TEAMS he's been on haven't necessarily been winners; although he's played a part in that.

 

[HappyOnions]

No Crayton didn't catch the ball but that play didn't occur with less than 5 minutes to play. That one play didn't result in Romo being off the entire game only completing 50% of his passes with a passer rating of 64.7. Despite Crayton's drop Romo still had a chance to pull the game out in the end but the game ended at the Giants 23 yardline with Romo throwing a pick in the endzone.

I can't put that one on Romo, although there's absolutely no reason why that Dallas team didn't beat the Giants that year and ultimately end up at least in the Super Bowl.

 

[Picksix]

And (though I am not a fan) I'll take Tom Brady. I won't win every time, but I'll win most of the time.


You clearly don't understand the unusual nature of Aikman type accuracy in a timing based offense. The ball a little early or late and Harper never catches it in stride and makes the run that he made. Go back sometime and look at the film of that play.... tell me the yard line where Aikman was standing... tell me the yard line where Harper caught the ball... tell me how long Aikman held the ball... maybe by the time you are done it will begin to dawn on you that that was no average or ordinary play... factor in the he read the defense correctly, because he would have normally wanted to go to Irvin in a clutch situation like that one.

No, I understand the nuances of a timing offense. And I don't mean to diminish the magnitude of that play. Aikman did his job, like he had done a 1000 times in his career. That play was no different than what he had done over and over again for years. He read the defense, took his drop, made an accurate throw. Yes, he recognized that his secondary target was going to be open, and the play would be a huge one if Harper was in the right spot, which he was. But like I said, Aikman made that same play 1000 times, many times from that same spot on the field. The circumstances are what made that play special.

 

[whynot]

Do Falcons fans get so wound up about their QB?

 

[Picksix]

Exactly, if Romo hadn't thrown the ball into the end zone trying to force a score, it would have been a worse mistake.

Right. They really didn't have a choice on that play. It was 4th and 11 from the 23, 16 seconds left and no TO's. They had to go the endzone. Plus, they only had 3 WR's in the route against 6 DB's. Sometimes you see a QB throw a TD in that situation. Much more often, they don't.

 

[Vtwin]

No Crayton didn't catch the ball but that play didn't occur with less than 5 minutes to play. That one play didn't result in Romo being off the entire game only completing 50% of his passes with a passer rating of 64.7. Despite Crayton's drop Romo still had a chance to pull the game out in the end but the game ended at the Giants 23 yardline with Romo throwing a pick in the endzone.

11 penalties for 84 yards. Crayton blows the go ahead score late in the game. Defense allows ridiculous td drive late in the first half....

 

[Picksix]

So Romo didnt go 1-5 against teams like the Giants, Commanders, Titans, and Vikings? The 40 year old backup QB didn't win more games with the same team and against better competition? The backup didn't average more PPG with the same exact team than Romo? Somebody is in denial.

And Stephen McGee went 1-0 that season. Guess he should have been the starter all along. Of course, it was only one game, and there were a lot of other factors involved in that game, but all we care about is the record, right?