Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[KJJ]

As for being in that NFC Championship game scenario, I'd like to believe that Romo could play a game like Troy did, but it'd be a tough sell.

It would be an impossible sell based on Romo's history especially on the road in elimination games. Of Romo's 12 elimination game turnovers 11 have come on the road. He's played some of his worst football on the road in do or die situations. I can't even envision him pulling off the play Aikman did in that situation on the road against a great 14-2 team.

 

[Vtwin]

There were receivers open that he missed that day which is why he only completed 50% of his passes and his passer rating was only 64.7.

And manning won throwing under twenty passes with a rating in the low seventies.
Team game.

 

[KJJ]

Exactly. Second greatest play in COWBOYS history.
Coach makes a gutsy call. Irvin switches positions. Harper recognizes the coverage. Aikman reads it correctly. Harper runs a nice route. Aikman puts the ball where he needs to.
Any single one of those multiple factors plays out differently and the story has a different ending.
Team game.

Exactly it was the second greatest play in "Cowboys history" with the Hail Mary being #1 which means Aikman's play was the greatest of HIS career which is what I stated.

 

[KJJ]

And manning won throwing under twenty passes with a rating in the low seventies.
Team game.

What game are you thinking about? Eli had a passer rating of 132.4. He completed 66.7% of his passes and his TD to turnover ratio was 2-0.

 

[Vtwin]

Exactly it was the second greatest play in "Cowboys history" with the Hail Mary being #1 which means Aikman's play was the greatest of HIS career which is what I stated.

Well then your statement is irrelevant in a discussion about the play of an individual player.

 

[KJJ]

Well then your statement is irrelevant in a discussion about the play of an individual player.

None of my statements have been irrelevant you're just lost you proved that by not knowing what Manning's passer rating was vs the Cowboys.

 

[5Stars]

It would be an impossible sell based on Romo's history especially on the road in elimination games. Of Romo's 12 elimination game turnovers 11 have come on the road. He's played some of his worst football on the road in do or die situations. I can't even envision him pulling off the play Aikman did in that situation on the road against a great 14-2 team.

That is what is wrong with you. Your "envision". Try opening up your "vision" to the whole team, don't just focus your vision on one player! By the way, Aikman was not the only player, coach, or teammate on that play. Troll on dude...

 

[Vtwin]

What game are you thinking about? Eli had a passer rating of 132.4. He completed 66.7% of his passes and his TD to turnover ratio was 2-0.

The 07/08 playoff game vs the Giants. The Crayton drop game.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=280113006

 

[Vtwin]

None of my statements have been irrelevant you're just lost you proved that by not knowing what Manning's passer rating was vs the Cowboys.

Really.

 

[5Stars]

Really.

In KJJ's "vision", you are wrong and he is right. lol

 

[KJJ]

The 07/08 playoff game vs the Giants. The Crayton drop game.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=280113006

Those passer ratings are wrong. No way is Eli going to have a passer rating of only 73.6 completing 12 of 18 passes with 2 TD's and no int's.

http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/gamelogs?season=2007

http://www.nfl.com/player/tonyromo/2505354/gamelogs?season=2007

 

[percyhoward]

The FACTS are Romo hasn't performed to the same level in elimination games that he has during the less critical games

Those "less critical" games you brush aside are the very thing that determines who gets into the elimination games, and you absolutely have to consider every play of them as well as elimination and playoffs. Which I always do, as you know all too well.

 

[Vtwin]

Those passer ratings are wrong. No way is Eli going to have a passer rating of only 73.6 completing 12 of 18 passes with 2 TD's and no int's.

http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/gamelogs?season=2007

http://www.nfl.com/player/tonyromo/2505354/gamelogs?season=2007

Point taken.

Point remains. The Giants won the game throwing 18 passes to the Cowboy's 36.

Team game.

 

[KJJ]

Those "less critical" games you brush aside are the very thing that determines who gets into the elimination games, and you absolutely have to consider every play of them as well as elimination and playoffs. Which I always do, as you know all too well.

Those "less critical" games are how Romo has been able to pad his stats/passer ratings enabling you to find all these situations that rank him amongst the elite QB's statistically. It's his great performances in the "less critical" games that have helped create the stigma he has due to not performing at the same high level in elimination games. You steer away from his elimination games not wanting to put any "focus" on them.

 

[rcaldw]

No, I understand the nuances of a timing offense. And I don't mean to diminish the magnitude of that play. Aikman did his job, like he had done a 1000 times in his career. That play was no different than what he had done over and over again for years. He read the defense, took his drop, made an accurate throw. Yes, he recognized that his secondary target was going to be open, and the play would be a huge one if Harper was in the right spot, which he was. But like I said, Aikman made that same play 1000 times, many times from that same spot on the field. The circumstances are what made that play special.

I can agree with that, for sure.

 

[rcaldw]

I can only speak for myself and the information I provide, but it's accurate. You may not like that it doesn't fit in with your perception, but there's no substitute for the direct knowledge that can only come from an unfiltered, objective analysis of the actual plays.

Percy, I think you do some great work. I am amazed at the numbers you find, and all the rest. I have no doubt that you think yourself to be completely objective. I have respect for you. But I don't think numbers are unfiltered. We can just agree to disagree on this one.

 

[KJJ]

Point taken.

Point remains. The Giants won the game throwing 18 passes to the Cowboy's 36.

Team game.

It makes no difference how many times a team throws it comes down to efficiency and avoiding mistakes. During the playoffs 4 years later in Eli's second SB run he had to attempt 44 more passes but he still maintained his efficiency and he once again avoided mistakes.

 

[rcaldw]

Those "less critical" games you brush aside are the very thing that determines who gets into the elimination games, and you absolutely have to consider every play of them as well as elimination and playoffs. Which I always do, as you know all too well.

Just out of curiosity, how does he perform in those elimination games? Do we have numbers on those?

 

[percyhoward]

You steer away from his elimination games not wanting to put any "focus" on them.

Which plays do you think are being left out?

 

[percyhoward]

Percy, I think you do some great work. I am amazed at the numbers you find, and all the rest. I have no doubt that you think yourself to be completely objective. I have respect for you. But I don't think numbers are unfiltered. .

Thanks, but tell me which plays you believe to have been ommitted.