Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[DallasEast]

For the several guys on this board and you know who you are....

One question for you all? Since you all despise him, do you root for or against Tony Romo on game day? Remember he is a part of the team so don't say I just root for the Dallas Cowboys.

...and one hundred twenty-three posts later..?

 

[5Stars]

...and one hundred twenty-three posts later..?

The Trolls are not coming out to feed on the Cowboys.

We hate Romo but we love and root for the Cowboys.

 

[KJJ]

Which plays do you think are being left out?

In this thread I'm sure you included all his plays and stirred them together so that his bad plays get diluted by all his great plays. This way it won't destroy the statistical comparisons you're trying to make. In your last thread "according to the stat" you posted Romo is the second best QB behind Aaron Rodgers in the final 5 minutes of games. That's an example of how misleading stats can be because Romo is known for turning the ball over in the final 5 minutes of games but that stat doesn't point it out. None of the stats you post on Romo point out the issues he has in elimination games. Anyone can water down his bad games and big mistakes in elimination games by tossing in all his great regular season games throughout his career. You refuse to separate the games.

 

[slomoxn]

Funny, I am more in tune with the I don't care how good his stats are they still don't trump a ring category. Although it does matter how the ring was won, if the QB in question just stood on the field all day and had no impact whatsoever then stats are the better indicator of his worth; however if he had to make plays, or better yet not screw up in crucial moments then his contribution counts heavily on the win. The stats on here and the way they are being perceived show me Romonis actually better than Aikman, I mean I've seen more than once on here that the RB was the focal point of Seattle's offense, well someone please tell me what the focus of Aikmans offense was and he still had Irvin. Wilson had receivers that I still don't know who they are, and maybe he did hand off the ball an awful lot, or play in a system that suited his strengths, uhhhhh wasn't that Aikmans mantra also. Wilson made plays when he needed and didn't make mistakes that would cost his team, he didn't audible out of runs because he knows he needed the run, our QB for all his greatness may be his own worst enemy when it comes to understanding how to win. We blame Garrett but how many times are we screaming run that it may be simply Romo audibling to pass, we don't know but we know he does it frequently because he admitted it. It would just be nice to allow another QB to have their wins and rings without comparing Romo to them, it really looks like a Mitch move honestly, if you can't beat them on the field beat them in the books.... Kind of sad that reality is coming down to the best Super Bowl MVP that never was.

 

[percyhoward]

In this thread I'm sure you included all his plays and stirred them together so that his bad plays get diluted by all his great plays.

Classic.

 

[12+88=7]

In all fairness it was a desperation throw on 4th down but the Cowboys were only 23 yards out giving Romo a good chance of completing the pass.

If you are able to see the play again, you will see that Dallas is in max protect(because of how good NY rushed in the 4th QT) and only 3 receivers go out, meanwhile NY only rushes 3, which leaves 8 in coverage. NY had all the receivers covered and Romo was forced to make a play. The result was the INT.

The play before on 3rd down was the play, but Crayton stopped on the pattern. It just wasn't meant to be this day.

 

[percyhoward]

slomoxn, in his best years Aikman's average ranking was higher than Romo's.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

This is a great post that will be ignored because it doesn't fit the pro-Romo crowd's agenda. Great QBs step their games up in the big games and they don't need excuses to make them better than they really are. It is so sad to see the fanbase go from such high standards to making excuses for average players in an effort to make them great.

All those years of watching Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson did that I believe.

 

[Animosity]

You ignore the fact that Kitna did better only AFTER Wade was fired... before that he was losing multiple games.

And Romo went 8-8 for three straight years with the same coach.

Now... I patiently await another excuse for Romos inability to win a damn thing.

You give Jon Kitna eight years as a starter, and he will accomplish what Romo was able to accomplish in those 8 years... win one playoff game. Hell, I am willing to bet he would win more than one playoff game.

 

[KJJ]

If you are able to see the play again, you will see that Dallas is in max protect(because of how good NY rushed in the 4th QT) and only 3 receivers go out, meanwhile NY only rushes 3, which leaves 8 in coverage. NY had all the receivers covered and Romo was forced to make a play. The result was the INT.

The play before on 3rd down was the play, but Crayton stopped on the pattern. It just wasn't meant to be this day.

Romo had 4 downs to score and it didn't happen. Had he and the Cowboys played the way they played for the first 12 weeks of that season that game wouldn't have even been close. Romo toasted the Giants for close to 600 yards and 8 TD's in the first 2 games of the regular season. He had passer ratings of 128.5 and 123.1. The Cowboys had a terrific team for most of that season but became complacent after beating the 10-1 Packers.

 

[Animosity]

Nice try in 2003 they were 19th in pts allowed and won 12 games, 2004 they were 20th and won 12 games, in 2006 the year they won the SB they were ranked 23rd and by the way in Luck's rookie year when the Colts won 11 games they were 21st in points allowed. These excuses that Romo is Elite and it's all the defense's fault are BS.

Not fair to compare Romo to Luck. Luck is the real deal, and no one makes excuses when his defense can't stop the opposing team. He won't hestitate to carry the team and score at will, despite having no playmakers on offense. The scary thing about Luck is that he is going to get better. The obvious thing about Romo is that he is done as a starter in another year or two and won't win a Super Bowl... or make the playoffs.

 

[Animosity]

And Stephen McGee went 1-0 that season. Guess he should have been the starter all along. Of course, it was only one game, and there were a lot of other factors involved in that game, but all we care about is the record, right?

Small sample size.

We know for a FACT Kitna won more games against better teams(including shootouts against the Colts

Ummm... ONE score. The INT's resulted in ONE score. Geez... get it right.

Thanks for reminding me. So Romo tries to give the same away by throwing an interception in their endzone... and the Cowboys defense bails him out. So Romo gets the ball again, calls an audible, and throws an interception in the same spot.. but this time the Cowboys defense can't bail Romos *** out? Yep;... let's blame the defense.. LMAO

 

[DejectedFan1996]

I'm an avid Romo supporter, but people seem to forget that pass to T.O. that also resulted in a FG as opposed to 7. Crayton dropping that pass was huge but lets not absolve Romo from any blame as well.

The only thing I have a problem with in these arguments is that the people not named Percy who are "Romo Lovers" are constantly bashing and insulting those that are "Romo haters" i.e. "you don't know football", "you're a troll", etc where as the "Romo haters" generally aren't as hostile. There's no reason to throw insults because someone doesn't agree with you. Some fans have it in their mind that Romo

There were receivers open that he missed that day which is why he only completed 50% of his passes and his passer rating was only 64.7.

This is actually true. There was a play specifically in the red zone with Owens on a crossing Route and was wide open and the pass sailed on Romo.

Bottom line, the TEAM lost against the Giants that year, which by the way, happened to beat the best team in the NFL since the 1972 Dolphins. The Giant's were the NFL God's Chosen One that year unfortunately.

What I do like about that year was that every Giants player went on to say that their toughest matchup on that SB run was the Cowboys. They said once they were able to defeat the Cowboys, they knew they could win the SB.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I'm an avid Romo supporter, but people seem to forget that pass to T.O. that also resulted in a FG as opposed to 7. Crayton dropping that pass was huge but lets not absolve Romo from any blame as well.

The only thing I have a problem with in these arguments is that the people not named Percy who are "Romo Lovers" are constantly bashing and insulting those that are "Romo haters" i.e. "you don't know football", "you're a troll", etc where as the "Romo haters" generally aren't as hostile. There's no reason to throw insults because someone doesn't agree with you. Some fans have it in their mind that Romo


This is actually true. There was a play specifically in the red zone with Owens on a crossing Route and was wide open and the pass sailed on Romo.

Bottom line, the TEAM lost against the Giants that year, which by the way, happened to beat the best team in the NFL since the 1972 Dolphins. The Giant's were the NFL God's Chosen One that year unfortunately.

What I do like about that year was that every Giants player went on to say that their toughest matchup on that SB run was the Cowboys. They said once they were able to defeat the Cowboys, they knew they could win the SB.

Actually that makes me feel worse because I do think that team could have won it if they would have remained focused.

 

[slomoxn]

this 'elevate' bs is probably the dumbest argument Romo haters like you bring up

Must have only been relevant for
Michael Jordon.... Btw I don't care either way but leaders inspiring or elevating teammates around them is not a new concept.

 

[jnday]

Kitna didn't win any games, troll. Your grasp of football seems to be getting worse as time goes by, not better.

Is insults all you have? I can overlook your total lack of knowledge when it times to the topic, but are you so immature that you have to turn to insults when somebody disagrees with you? You will get this thread closed just like so many others that you ruin.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Is insults all you have? I can overlook your total lack of knowledge when it times to the topic, but are you so immature that you have to turn to insults when somebody disagrees with you? You will get this thread closed just like so many others that you ruin.

lol, stop crying for the teacher to come and save you. No one is twisting your arm to keep on replying. If you are trying to convince me that getting this thread closed is a bad thing, you are failing miserably. Percy can always come back with another thread; your buffoonery here would come to an end.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Must have only been relevant for
Michael Jordon.... Btw I don't care either way but leaders inspiring or elevating teammates around them is not a new concept.

Dude come on, let's not insult people. Jordan influencing and elevating 4 other players is sure as hell a lot different than a QB carrying or elevating 22 on offense and defense and that's not even accounting for special teams.

If you really don't care as you said then leave it alone but don't bring weak stuff like that in.

 

[DejectedFan1996]

Actually that makes me feel worse because I do think that team could have won it if they would have remained focused.

I believe us changing our game plan so suddenly is what lead to our downfall. We started barber, were a 'run first' team the entire first half, so much that our oline was gassed in the second half and couldn't protect Romo. Having 'The Human Third Down Conversion' known as Jacques Reeves didn't help. Let's also not forget us suddenly adding Terry Glenn to that lineup when he hadn't played all season, Amani Toomer breaking away for a TD, Crayton letting up on his route, and Owens playing at 60% (despite what he says).

That year still burns somewhat...

 

[jnday]

Must have only been relevant for
Michael Jordon.... Btw I don't care either way but leaders inspiring or elevating teammates around them is not a new concept.

Roger and Troy was praised for their leadership and their ability to help their teammates play at a higher level. Cowboy fans have went so long without this type of leadership at the QB position , that they now doubt that leadership can exist. One quality of great players in any sport is their ability to help their teammates raise the level of play. I can't believe that this quality is being questioned considering the rich history of Cowboy players. This is what happens when emotional attachment blinds fans.