Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[iceberg]

I'm an avid Romo supporter, but people seem to forget that pass to T.O. that also resulted in a FG as opposed to 7. Crayton dropping that pass was huge but lets not absolve Romo from any blame as well.

The only thing I have a problem with in these arguments is that the people not named Percy who are "Romo Lovers" are constantly bashing and insulting those that are "Romo haters" i.e. "you don't know football", "you're a troll", etc where as the "Romo haters" generally aren't as hostile. There's no reason to throw insults because someone doesn't agree with you. Some fans have it in their mind that Romo


This is actually true. There was a play specifically in the red zone with Owens on a crossing Route and was wide open and the pass sailed on Romo.

Bottom line, the TEAM lost against the Giants that year, which by the way, happened to beat the best team in the NFL since the 1972 Dolphins. The Giant's were the NFL God's Chosen One that year unfortunately.

What I do like about that year was that every Giants player went on to say that their toughest matchup on that SB run was the Cowboys. They said once they were able to defeat the Cowboys, they knew they could win the SB.

Likely cause they show up in every romo thread and begin the broken record routine. That said some do seem hellbent on shoving room down throats.

 

[DanteEXT]

Small sample size.

We know for a FACT Kitna won more games against better teams(including shootouts against the Colts



Thanks for reminding me. So Romo tries to give the same away by throwing an interception in their endzone... and the Cowboys defense bails him out. So Romo gets the ball again, calls an audible, and throws an interception in the same spot.. but this time the Cowboys defense can't bail Romos *** out? Yep;... let's blame the defense.. LMAO

WTH are you talking about? Because it sure as heck isn't the Packers game.

 

[Aurican]

Nice try? Refute it... oh that's right, you can't.

2003 and 2004 puts them in the middle third of the league.. or in other words - average. Far cry from a joke. Now 2006 they were JUST barely in the bottom third. But still not a joke. Oh... and by the way, in the playoffs in 2006 they were the 2nd best defense in ppg behind the Ravens. Dropped their 22.5 regular season to 16.2. But yeah, that was all Peyton... did it all by himself. Ha!

Fact is he had average to sometimes great defenses more often than not his entire career in Indy. The two times he had truly atrocious defenses like Dallas did last year they won 3 and 6 games.

FYI, I was not arguing Romo was elite. I was pointing out your BS. Though I probably gave you too much credit for ACTUALLY being able to understand that.

Are you mad bro? for someone who doesn't think Romo is elite you're awfully argumentative and defensive about it LOL. And you mean to tell me in the 2006 playoffs the Colt's defense just magically got better all of a sudden all the way to go from 23rd to one of the best? Wow I wonder how that's possible? Maybe lumping a season or career's worth of stats together is not always accurate? Gee who would of guessed that? Oh well I guess I would have to give you too much credit to understand that LOL.

 

[DanteEXT]

And Romo went 8-8 for three straight years with the same coach.

Now... I patiently await another excuse for Romos inability to win a damn thing.

You give Jon Kitna eight years as a starter, and he will accomplish what Romo was able to accomplish in those 8 years... win one playoff game. Hell, I am willing to bet he would win more than one playoff game.

I patiently wait for you to get a clue but that ain't happening apparently.

 

[DanteEXT]

Are you mad bro? for someone who doesn't think Romo is elite you're awfully argumentative and defensive about it LOL. And you mean to tell me in the 2006 playoffs the Colt's defense just magically got better all of a sudden all the way to go from 23rd to one of the best? Wow I wonder how that's possible? Maybe lumping a season or career's worth of stats together is not always accurate? Gee who would of guessed that? Oh well I guess I would have to give you too much credit to understand that LOL.

Nope, not mad at all. Quite amused by your .... how should I say it... ummm...mental handicap.

Apparently they did "genius". Maybe you should go back and look. I know it's hard but give it a shot.

 

[Aurican]

Nope, not mad at all. Quite amused by your .... how should I say it... ummm...mental handicap.

Apparently they did "genius". Maybe you should go back and look. I know it's hard but give it a shot.

So you got nothing OK LOL, I'll leave you to your stats and non arguments

 

[DanteEXT]

So you got nothing OK LOL, I'll leave you to your stats and non arguments

I have everything. Facts are facts. The Colts D dominated in the playoffs. I live in Colts country bro. Every fan I know credits the D that postseason and does not believe they even win that SB without them. Hell, they don't even think they get there without their performance.

 

[slomoxn]

Dude come on, let's not insult people. Jordan influencing and elevating 4 other players is sure as hell a lot different than a QB carrying or elevating 22 on offense and defense and that's not even accounting for special teams.

If you really don't care as you said then leave it alone but don't bring weak stuff like that in.

I don't consider it weak, although Aikman played on arguably some of the best teams in NFL hiistory one oof his trademarks is the leadership qualities he displayed. His teams did not want to let him down or disappoint him, thus three in four. Irvin was a headcase but kept in control for who? Also why should I leave it alone? I haven't heard one player on this current team say they don't want to let Romo down eitheer out of fear ofhis wrath or respect for his game. I'll admit he is a very good qb but Carmello Anthonny is a great NBA player also and he doesnt inspire anyone but himself, sometimes leadership is makig others be more than they thought or knew they could be and in this case I think thi team needs someone to force themto look deeper within themselves to win, the old guard is moving on and Garrett deespite his flaws is buildinga team of leaders and headhunters. I truly believ this team wins within the next five years but Romo will not be the catalyst that starts it.

 

[DallasEast]

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[jnday]

lol, stop crying for the teacher to come and save you. No one is twisting your arm to keep on replying. If you are trying to convince me that getting this thread closed is a bad thing, you are failing miserably. Percy can always come back with another thread; your buffoonery here would come to an end.

So your goal is to get any thread closed that includes opinions that you disagree with? That is really mature. I need to quit arguing with children.

 

[noshame]

So your goal is to get any thread closed that includes opinions that you disagree with? That is really mature. I need to quit arguing with children.

LOL don't insult the kids.

 

[CCBoy]

What will Tony Romo taking more 5 step drops do to all of this?

 

[percyhoward]

I better not bring those facts into this forum anymore. Let's just pretend Romo didn't go 1-5, and that some backup 40 year old QB didn't win more games than him with the same team against better competition. Let's all live in la-la land where Romo is an elite QB and, despite his age and (lack of) success in this league, will take the 'Boys to the Super Bowl.. Yipppeee!

Let's look at that 2010 team's W-L record when the defense DIDN'T have 3+ takeaways in the game, why don't we?

 

[percyhoward]

Kitna won games. Romo was not. Those are the facts that get my attention.

That 2010 team went 4-5 in Kitna's starts, but only 1-5 when the defense did not provide at least three takeaways in the game.

 

[DanteEXT]

That 2010 team went 4-5 in Kitna's starts, but only 1-5 when the defense did not provide at least three takeaways in the game.

Now percy, we all know that defense means squat and has no effect on the outcome of games. Those turnovers are just "empty stats".

 

[jnday]

That 2010 team went 4-5 in Kitna's starts, but only 1-5 when the defense did not provide at least three takeaways in the game.

Now percy, we all know that defense means squat and has no effect on the outcome of games. Those turnovers are just "empty stats".

Yeah, take way from Kitna's efforts to make it seem like Romo could have done the same. That is the right thing to do. Romo was not so great that season. Kitna came in with solid play and better leadership. Let's credit the turnovers instead of Kitna's play.

 

[gimmesix]

That play with Crayton is not what lost that game. It is similar, but Crayton was running a much deeper route.

Romo was not at fault for that loss at all.

I think what ultimately cost the Cowboys that game was the decision to run Barber the entire second half and not use Jones at all.

Barber was gassed and that crippled the offense once the Giants knew they could rush Romo relentlessly without suffering against the run game.

This goes back to the play caller.

Who was that guy?

Oh yeah, the current head coach that you couldn't run off with Patton's 4th Mechanized division.

There were quite a few things that can be pinpointed as reasons why Dallas lost that game, which is why so many people point to the fact that it's a team game. Take one or two of those things away and the outcome might have been different, which is the way it usually goes in a close game.

Instead, people would rather place blame where it does not belong (not saying you're doing that.)

 

[gimmesix]

There were receivers open that he missed that day which is why he only completed 50% of his passes and his passer rating was only 64.7.

Maybe you didn't see the duress Romo was under in the second half (when stunts and blitzes were eating up the offensive line), and he still made throws that could have won the game if the receivers would have caught them.

If the same thing had happened with Toomer on that long TD throw in the first half that got the Giants back into the game, no one would be blaming Eli.

BTW, I don't absolve Romo of his errors when blame should clearly go on his shoulders, but there were many reasons we lost against the Giants and Romo was the least of those reasons.

 

[KJJ]

Maybe you didn't see the duress Romo was under in the second half (when stunts and blitzes were eating up the offensive line), and he still made throws that could have won the game if the receivers would have caught them.

If the same thing had happened with Toomer on that long TD throw in the first half that got the Giants back into the game, no one would be blaming Eli.

BTW, I don't absolve Romo of his errors when blame should clearly go on his shoulders, but there were many reasons we lost against the Giants and Romo was the least of those reasons.

QB's are going to be under duress especially in playoff games. Joe Montana was under duress when he made the throw to Clark in the 81 title game. Eli was under tremendous duress when he found Tyree in closing minutes of the SB. He was under all kinds of duress vs SF in the 2011 NFC title game. He was hit more than 20 times and sacked 6 times but still made plays. There were several reasons the Cowboys lost to the Giants. They had a bad game plan going into the game. They played right into the hands of the Giants by keeping the game close and allowing them to hang in and beat them in the end. The Cowboys started Barber for the first time all season deciding to run him ragged in the first half and go away from what made them such an explosive team that season.

The Cowboys saw that the Giants defense was coming on late that season and because Romo was slumping committing 5 turnovers during the final 3 games they chose to keep the ball on the ground in the first half. Although Barber gained over 100 yards by halftime it only resulted in 14 points. The defense didn't play well as usual when it's all on the line. The TD to Toomer was inexcusable in the first half. The defense had him boxed in and he broke free on a routine pass. After the Cowboys scored to take a 14-7 lead late in the second quarter the defense gave it right back on a long TD drive right before the half.

Barber had nothing left in the tank in the second half after being burned out in the first half. He started looking like Troy Hambrick as he stumbled down as soon as defenders made contact with him. His legs were dead he had nothing left which forced the Cowboys to have to throw. Romo wasn't sharp missing on a number of throws. Maybe his mind was still in Cabo from his trip a week earlier. Like I mentioned had the Cowboys and Romo played like they did in the first 2 games they would have won going away. The way you beat the Giants is force Eli to put the ball up all day. He was forced to put the ball up 75 times in the first 2 games resulting in 3 turnovers.

 

[Picksix]

Yeah, take way from Kitna's efforts to make it seem like Romo could have done the same. That is the right thing to do. Romo was not so great that season. Kitna came in with solid play and better leadership. Let's credit the turnovers instead of Kitna's play.

Confirmation bias. Just accept only what supports my argument and ignore everything that doesn't. So turnovers have no effect on whether a team wins or loses? Just how exactly did Kitna provide "better leadership"? Was it his leadership that led the defense to creating more turnovers? Sorry, I forgot. The turnovers don't matter. His play was solid, but going by the numbers, it was no better than Romo's. In fact, Romo's numbers were actually better. But that doesn't support your argument, so we should just throw that out, too? The team won more games with Kitna starting than with Romo starting. That's all that matters.