Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[Picksix]

Small sample size.

We know for a FACT Kitna won more games against better teams(including shootouts against the Colts

Okay...

1) Kitna threw for 167 yards and 1 TD in that game. We ran for 217 yards. Kitna did have 28 of those yards, but still the RB's accounted for more yards in that game than Kitna did.
2) Our defense picked off the great Peyton Manning 4 times in the game, including returning one for a TD.

So just exactly how did Kitna win that game for us?

3) Calling the Colts a "better team" at that point is highly questionable. They came into the game 6-5, having lost their last 2, and 3 of their last 4. Not exactly tearing it up.

And you want to talk about small sample size? Like taking a few games from one season?

Record as a starter:

Romo 63-45
Kitna 50-75 (no playoff wins)

Going by those numbers, hard to see how giving Kitna a 16 game season in Dallas would have led to anything better. Kitna was also replaced by Seattle, Cincinnati, and Detroit. I guess they didn't see much future in him either.

 

[percyhoward]

Yeah, take way from Kitna's efforts to make it seem like Romo could have done the same.

Since 2000, teams with 3+ takeaways win 84% of the time, and Romo's teams are 15-3.

 

[birdwells1]

QB's are going to be under duress especially in playoff games. Joe Montana was under duress when he made the throw to Clark in the 81 title game. Eli was under tremendous duress when he found Tyree in closing minutes of the SB. He was under all kinds of duress vs SF in the 2011 NFC title game. He was hit more than 20 times and sacked 6 times but still made plays. There were several reasons the Cowboys lost to the Giants. They had a bad game plan going into the game. They played right into the hands of the Giants by keeping the game close and allowing them to hang in and beat them in the end. The Cowboys started Barber for the first time all season deciding to run him ragged in the first half and go away from what made them such an explosive team that season.

The Cowboys saw that the Giants defense was coming on late that season and because Romo was slumping committing 5 turnovers during the final 3 games they chose to keep the ball on the ground in the first half. Although Barber gained over 100 yards by halftime it only resulted in 14 points. The defense didn't play well as usual when it's all on the line. The TD to Toomer was inexcusable in the first half. The defense had him boxed in and he broke free on a routine pass. After the Cowboys scored to take a 14-7 lead late in the second quarter the defense gave it right back on a long TD drive right before the half.

Barber had nothing left in the tank in the second half after being burned out in the first half. He started looking like Troy Hambrick as he stumbled down as soon as defenders made contact with him. His legs were dead he had nothing left which forced the Cowboys to have to throw. Romo wasn't sharp missing on a number of throws. Maybe his mind was still in Cabo from his trip a week earlier. Like I mentioned had the Cowboys and Romo played like they did in the first 2 games they would have won going away. The way you beat the Giants is force Eli to put the ball up all day. He was forced to put the ball up 75 times in the first 2 games resulting in 3 turnovers.

Dont forget that TO wasnt close to 100% which allowed the Giants to cover him one on one and blitz.

 

[jnday]

Confirmation bias. Just accept only what supports my argument and ignore everything that doesn't. So turnovers have no effect on whether a team wins or loses? Just how exactly did Kitna provide "better leadership"? Was it his leadership that led the defense to creating more turnovers? Sorry, I forgot. The turnovers don't matter. His play was solid, but going by the numbers, it was no better than Romo's. In fact, Romo's numbers were actually better. But that doesn't support your argument, so we should just throw that out, too? The team won more games with Kitna starting than with Romo starting. That's all that matters.

Winning is all that matters. Cowboy fans seems to have forgotten that. They had rather worship stat-kings instead of winning football players.

 

[Picksix]

Winning is all that matters. Cowboy fans seems to have forgotten that. They had rather worship stat-kings instead of winning football players.

Are you including yourself in that, or are you not a Cowboy fan? Yes, winning is all that matters. However, a lot of things go into winning or losing a game, many of which are beyond the QB's control. Romo haters seem to have forgotten that (if they even understood that in the first place). And just who are these "winning football players" you speak of? Kitna? Please. Oh, but hey, he won more games that one season than Romo did. That tells about 1/100th of the story. But if that's all you care to see, oh well.

 

[5Stars]

Winning is all that matters. Cowboy fans seems to have forgotten that. They had rather worship stat-kings instead of winning football players.

What is this "Cowboy fans" stuff? That is what a troll would say, so that tells us a lot about who and what you are!

 

[KJJ]

Dont forget that TO wasnt close to 100% which allowed the Giants to cover him one on one and blitz.

That was another reason the Cowboys decided to come out running the ball. With TO not 100% and Romo slumping and the Giants pass rush coming on in recent weeks the Cowboys entered the game with a completely different game plan from what they had vs the Giants in the first 2 meetings during the regular season and it played right into the hands of the Giants.

The Giants have never had a lot of success winning shootouts they like keeping games close and allowing their defense to win games. They lost to NE in a shootout in the season finale that year but kept the SB low scoring and close and beat the Pats in the end. That's NY Giants football.

 

[jnday]

What is this "Cowboy fans" stuff? That is what a troll would say, so that tells us a lot about who and what you are!

The "Cowboy fans" stuff is used in the same way as your cute little saying about "stupid Cowboy fans". Do you really enjoy following me around.? It doesn't bother me, but it really is a waste of time for an adult such as yourself.

 

[5Stars]

The "Cowboy fans" stuff is used in the same way as your cute little saying about "stupid Cowboy fans". Do you really enjoy following me around.? It doesn't bother me, but it really is a waste of time for an adult such as yourself.

My (stupid cowboy fans) are something I post when a real Cowboy fan says something funny or sharp witted.

Trolls, such as yourself, always mess up and forget where they are and say dumb things like "Cowboy fans"...blah, blah, blah....it's as if you exclude yourself of being a "Cowboy fan". But...troll on dude. lol

I don't follow you around, but when I read stupid stuff from you, I will let you know. However, once you learn the game of football and stop blaming everything wrong with this team on Romo, you might not even know I'm around.

Another great one is from you cohort that uses Cowboy FANS...as if we don't know that.

 

[gimmesix]

QB's are going to be under duress especially in playoff games. Joe Montana was under duress when he made the throw to Clark in the 81 title game. Eli was under tremendous duress when he found Tyree in closing minutes of the SB. He was under all kinds of duress vs SF in the 2011 NFC title game. He was hit more than 20 times and sacked 6 times but still made plays. There were several reasons the Cowboys lost to the Giants. They had a bad game plan going into the game. They played right into the hands of the Giants by keeping the game close and allowing them to hang in and beat them in the end. The Cowboys started Barber for the first time all season deciding to run him ragged in the first half and go away from what made them such an explosive team that season.

The Cowboys saw that the Giants defense was coming on late that season and because Romo was slumping committing 5 turnovers during the final 3 games they chose to keep the ball on the ground in the first half. Although Barber gained over 100 yards by halftime it only resulted in 14 points. The defense didn't play well as usual when it's all on the line. The TD to Toomer was inexcusable in the first half. The defense had him boxed in and he broke free on a routine pass. After the Cowboys scored to take a 14-7 lead late in the second quarter the defense gave it right back on a long TD drive right before the half.

Barber had nothing left in the tank in the second half after being burned out in the first half. He started looking like Troy Hambrick as he stumbled down as soon as defenders made contact with him. His legs were dead he had nothing left which forced the Cowboys to have to throw. Romo wasn't sharp missing on a number of throws. Maybe his mind was still in Cabo from his trip a week earlier. Like I mentioned had the Cowboys and Romo played like they did in the first 2 games they would have won going away. The way you beat the Giants is force Eli to put the ball up all day. He was forced to put the ball up 75 times in the first 2 games resulting in 3 turnovers.

Yes, and most when they are under heavy pressure are going to A) throw up a prayer that their receive somehow catches to make them look good (see Eli to Tyree; possibly Montana to Clark depending on your viewpoint) or B) fold like Peyton Manning did against Seattle in the Super Bowl. Hall of Fame quarterbacks have shown over the years that it is difficult to play your position when you're hardly ever given a chance to drop back and plant your feet.

In the Giants game, the running game vanished on the Cowboys in the second half and the line could not contain the Giants' pressure. It's tough to succeed in that environment, but Romo still made a perfect throw to Crayton that could have been a game-winning touchdown and had another throw that would have been perfect if Crayton had completed his route. Are there some throws Romo would like to have back? Sure, but you can't make mistakes on the few opportunities you're given when the defense is getting a lot of pressure. Clark certainly didn't, pulling down a high throw from Montana (the only place Montana could have put it) and getting his feet inbounds and Tyree certainly didn't. Again, just examples of how it takes more than just the quarterback to make the plays that win the games.

 

[5Stars]

Yes, and most when they are under heavy pressure are going to A) throw up a prayer that their receive somehow catches to make them look good (see Eli to Tyree; possibly Montana to Clark depending on your viewpoint) or B) fold like Peyton Manning did against Seattle in the Super Bowl. Hall of Fame quarterbacks have shown over the years that it is difficult to play your position when you're hardly ever given a chance to drop back and plant your feet.

In the Giants game, the running game vanished on the Cowboys in the second half and the line could not contain the Giants' pressure. It's tough to succeed in that environment, but Romo still made a perfect throw to Crayton that could have been a game-winning touchdown and had another throw that would have been perfect if Crayton had completed his route. Are there some throws Romo would like to have back? Sure, but you can't make mistakes on the few opportunities you're given when the defense is getting a lot of pressure. Clark certainly didn't, pulling down a high throw from Montana (the only place Montana could have put it) and getting his feet inbounds and Tyree certainly didn't. Again, just examples of how it takes more than just the quarterback to make the plays that win the games.

Nice post...but, dude, you are peeing up a tree trying to make sense to some of these haters.

 

[jnday]

My (stupid cowboy fans) are something I post when a real Cowboy fan says something funny or sharp witted.

Trolls, such as yourself, always mess up and forget where they are and say dumb things like "Cowboy fans"...blah, blah, blah....it's as if you exclude yourself of being a "Cowboy fan". But...troll on dude. lol

I don't follow you around, but when I read stupid stuff from you, I will let you know. However, once you learn the game of football and stop blaming everything wrong with this team on Romo, you might not even know I'm around.

Another great one is from you cohort that uses Cowboy FANS...as if we don't know that.

If I really wanted to troll , I could do a much better job of it. You would need medication to help you sleep at night if I was trolling. You let yourself get too upset when opinions don't agree with yours. Just because posters don't see things your way, it doesn't mean they are trolling. If you can't handle negative comments, you need to find another team that doesn't have so many faults. I have the same desire to see the team win as you do, but I am not going to defend average players and coaches . I refuse to give the team anything more than a very short leash. The organization has done nothing to deserve me giving them the benefit of the doubt. I am at a point where I actually have to see the results on the field and see games being won, before I will defend this team.

 

[5Stars]

If I really wanted to troll , I could do a much better job of it. You would need medication to help you sleep at night if I was trolling. You let yourself get too upset when opinions don't agree with yours. Just because posters don't see things your way, it doesn't mean they are trolling. If you can't handle negative comments, you need to find another team that doesn't have so many faults. I have the same desire to see the team win as you do, but I am not going to defend average players and coaches . I refuse to give the team anything more than a very short leash. The organization has done nothing to deserve me giving them the benefit of the doubt. I am at a point where I actually have to see the results on the field and see games being won, before I will defend this team.

lmao....the thing is, you don't take into consideration the "team". It's Romo's fault in your mind of why the team has been 8-8. You remind me of a Commander fan. Hell, even some Commanders fans come here and say Romo is a good QB and it's not all his fault that the TEAM is where they are. lol Troll on dog...I'll go take an Aspirin...try and sleep.

(some peoples kids)

 

[KJJ]

Yes, and most when they are under heavy pressure are going to A) throw up a prayer that their receive somehow catches to make them look good (see Eli to Tyree; possibly Montana to Clark depending on your viewpoint) or B) fold like Peyton Manning did against Seattle in the Super Bowl. Hall of Fame quarterbacks have shown over the years that it is difficult to play your position when you're hardly ever given a chance to drop back and plant your feet.

In the Giants game, the running game vanished on the Cowboys in the second half and the line could not contain the Giants' pressure. It's tough to succeed in that environment, but Romo still made a perfect throw to Crayton that could have been a game-winning touchdown and had another throw that would have been perfect if Crayton had completed his route. Are there some throws Romo would like to have back? Sure, but you can't make mistakes on the few opportunities you're given when the defense is getting a lot of pressure. Clark certainly didn't, pulling down a high throw from Montana (the only place Montana could have put it) and getting his feet inbounds and Tyree certainly didn't. Again, just examples of how it takes more than just the quarterback to make the plays that win the games.

Some of the best plays Romo has made have been spinning and slipping away from heavy pressure but most of those plays came against lesser teams in games that were far less critical to the Cowboys season. He made a great play vs Washington in week 16 last season but that came against a 3 win team that had packed it in for the season. Romo had time to throw many times vs the Giants and was off his game like he had been the previous 3 weeks go check his stats. He and the team were slumping and it carried over to the playoffs. If you listen to the FANS here everything has to be perfect for Romo to win in make or break games including having a perfect pocket with no pressure.

If he gets an ounce of pressure or the running game isn't stellar they'll put all the blame on that if the Cowboys come up short. According to the FANS put Romo on any other team and he would win SB's. One FAN claimed Romo would have 5 SB wins if he played in NE and at least 3 if he played in GB. LOL Roethlisberger won a SB on a last ditch drive vs AZ with pressure all over him. Time and time again he extended plays pulling away from defenders to keep that drive alive. If a QB is going to be a championship QB they have to perform in adverse situations and find ways to make plays.

 

[5Stars]

Some of the best plays Romo has made have been spinning and slipping away from heavy pressure but most of those plays came against lesser teams in games that were far less critical to the Cowboys season. He made a great play vs Washington in week 16 last season but that came against a 3 win team that had packed it in for the season. Romo had time to throw many times vs the Giants and was off his game like he had been the previous 3 weeks go check his stats. He and the team were slumping and it carried over to the playoffs. If you listen to the FANS here everything has to be perfect for Romo to win in make or break games including having a perfect pocket with no pressure.

If he gets an ounce of pressure or the running game isn't stellar they'll put all the blame on that if the Cowboys come up short. According to the FANS put Romo on any other team and he would win SB's. One FAN claimed Romo would have 5 SB wins if he played in NE and at least 3 if he played in GB. LOL Roethlisberger won a SB on a last ditch drive vs AZ with pressure all over him. Time and time again he extended plays pulling away from defenders to keep that drive alive. If a QB is going to be a championship QB they have to perform in adverse situations and find ways to make plays.

Your 8 million followers are going to love this post! lmao

 

[jnday]

lmao....the thing is, you don't take into consideration the "team". It's Romo's fault in your mind of why the team has been 8-8. You remind me of a Commander fan. Hell, even some Commanders fans come here and say Romo is a good QB and it's not all his fault that the TEAM is where they are. lol Troll on dog...I'll go take an Aspirin...try and sleep.

(some peoples kids)

That is where you are wrong. I have stated before that the team's best chances of winning in this situation is with Romo. I have also said that Romo is a good QB, but he has some faults. He may offer the best chance of winning , but Jerry has created a situation where there is not many options other than Romo. The faults that Romo has, prevents him from taking the team to the Super Bowl or even deep in the playoffs. I don't blame him for all the losing, and he is not the biggest problem on this team by a long shot, but he has lost some games. I have posted the same thing over the last few years to back up every single thing that I have said here. Research it and you will find out how wrong you are. Any negative comment about Romo brings his supporters out and they want to use labels such as haters and then they want to question a poster's knowledge of the game. You seem to enjoy doing this , so I play right along even though I can prove that your accusations are wrong. Label me a hater and question my fandom. I get a good laugh out of it. The term "hater" even gives me laugh. I don't hate anybody because of a game , and that is all football is. The saying about the word "assume" applies to your perception of me as a "fan". Look it up.

 

[gimmesix]

Some of the best plays Romo has made have been spinning and slipping away from heavy pressure but most of those plays came against lesser teams in games that were far less critical to the Cowboys season. He made a great play vs Washington in week 16 last season but that came against a 3 win team that had packed it in for the season. Romo had time to throw many times vs the Giants and was off his game like he had been the previous 3 weeks go check his stats. He and the team were slumping and it carried over to the playoffs. If you listen to the FANS here everything has to be perfect for Romo to win in make or break games including having a perfect pocket with no pressure.

If he gets an ounce of pressure or the running game isn't stellar they'll put all the blame on that if the Cowboys come up short. According to the FANS put Romo on any other team and he would win SB's. One FAN claimed Romo would have 5 SB wins if he played in NE and at least 3 if he played in GB. LOL Roethlisberger won a SB on a last ditch drive vs AZ with pressure all over him. Time and time again he extended plays pulling away from defenders to keep that drive alive. If a QB is going to be a championship QB they have to perform in adverse situations and find ways to make plays.

So you're holding the fact that Romo can make unbelievable plays at times against him? Taking his great escapes for granted is what has led this team to at times neglect the offensive line, which means that the only way Dallas can win is if Romo makes the amazing play, not the ordinary ones expected of most great quarterbacks. As they say, "Give him time and he'll pick us apart." The job of the offensive line is to give the QB enough time to make enough of those plays to win. It did not against the Giants.

I'm not in the camp that believes Romo would win Super Bowls with any other team. It takes almost a perfect storm to win Super Bowls. Look at almost any postseason and you'll see a handful of plays that went their way (and definitely not all by the QB) that made a difference between winning and losing. But it's equally ridiculous to say that Romo would not have won Super Bowls with any team that has in the time he's been playing because we don't know that, either.

I guess we'll just have to see that game against the Giants differently. When I watched it over and over, Romo was the least of the problems Dallas had. If a QB is going to be a championship QB they've certainly got to make plays like the throw that Crayton dropped, but they've also got to have the Dwight Clarks and David Tyrees pulling in the tough passes, much less the easy ones like Crayton had, when given the opportunity. That ultimately is what separates how QBs are regarded because they simply can't do it alone.

 

[rpntex]

I am just saying.. where were those garbage time TDs when the game was still competitive against the Bears?

It's time for you to stop making stuff up. It makes you look stupid.

I'd like to know what "garbage time" TDs you're talking about. Romo's final TD pass came with more than 11 minutes to go in the game, after which he gave way to Kyle Orton for the Cowboys' final two possessions. So just how much did that ONE TOUCHDOWN pad his stats?

 

[Brooksey]

Some of the best plays Romo has made have been spinning and slipping away from heavy pressure but most of those plays came against lesser teams in games that were far less critical to the Cowboys season. .

Playoff game against the NY Giants in 2007...End of the 3rd quarter, Dallas up 17-14, 3rd down and long, Romo runs left to avoid the heavy pressure, stops on a dime, throws a side arm (under the defender) 15 yard pass across his body to the right...right into Crayton's hands for the first down.

Crayton Drops it.

Crayton also pulled up on the game winner

The NY Giants D-line assaulted our O-line in the 4th quarter as did the Vikings in 2009. Romo had no chance in the playoffs against elite d-lines.

 

[Vtwin]

LOL Roethlisberger won a SB on a last ditch drive vs AZ with pressure all over him. Time and time again he extended plays pulling away from defenders to keep that drive alive. If a QB is going to be a championship QB they have to perform in adverse situations and find ways to make plays.

And a spectacular as well as controversial catch by the WR.

Team game.