Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[jnday]

lmao....the thing is, you don't take into consideration the "team". It's Romo's fault in your mind of why the team has been 8-8. You remind me of a Commander fan. Hell, even some Commanders fans come here and say Romo is a good QB and it's not all his fault that the TEAM is where they are. lol Troll on dog...I'll go take an Aspirin...try and sleep.

(some peoples kids)

I am probably older than you. I wish I was a kid again.

 

[5Stars]

I am probably older than you. I wish I was a kid again.

Are you a Vietnam vet?

 

[KJJ]

And a spectacular as well as controversial catch by the WR.

Team game.

It was a great throw and catch. The Steelers last ditch drive started at their own 22 yard line and Roethlisberger completed 5 passes and scrambled for several yards before throwing the game winner to Holmes. He avoided several sacks that would have potentially killed that drive. It took a great throw by Roethlisberger for Holmes to have a chance to make that catch in the end zone. The catch wasn't controversial it was replayed and confirmed he had both feet in bounds and made the catch.

 

[KJJ]

Playoff game against the NY Giants in 2007...End of the 3rd quarter, Dallas up 17-14, 3rd down and long, Romo runs left to avoid the heavy pressure, stops on a dime, throws a side arm (under the defender) 15 yard pass across his body to the right...right into Crayton's hands for the first down.

Crayton Drops it.

Crayton also pulled up on the game winner

The NY Giants D-line assaulted our O-line in the 4th quarter as did the Vikings in 2009. Romo had no chance in the playoffs against elite d-lines.

Those plays have been discussed several times. The Cowboys had plenty of opportunities to win that game despite those plays. The defense had trouble stopping the Giants all day on 3rd down and Romo wasn't sharp.

 

[jnday]

Are you a Vietnam vet?

No, WW2 vet

 

[KJJ]

So you're holding the fact that Romo can make unbelievable plays at times against him? Taking his great escapes for granted is what has led this team to at times neglect the offensive line, which means that the only way Dallas can win is if Romo makes the amazing play, not the ordinary ones expected of most great quarterbacks. As they say, "Give him time and he'll pick us apart." The job of the offensive line is to give the QB enough time to make enough of those plays to win. It did not against the Giants.

I'm not in the camp that believes Romo would win Super Bowls with any other team. It takes almost a perfect storm to win Super Bowls. Look at almost any postseason and you'll see a handful of plays that went their way (and definitely not all by the QB) that made a difference between winning and losing. But it's equally ridiculous to say that Romo would not have won Super Bowls with any team that has in the time he's been playing because we don't know that, either.

I guess we'll just have to see that game against the Giants differently. When I watched it over and over, Romo was the least of the problems Dallas had. If a QB is going to be a championship QB they've certainly got to make plays like the throw that Crayton dropped, but they've also got to have the Dwight Clarks and David Tyrees pulling in the tough passes, much less the easy ones like Crayton had, when given the opportunity. That ultimately is what separates how QBs are regarded because they simply can't do it alone.

So I'm holding onto the fact that Romo can make unbelievable plays against who? If it isn't the OL it's the defense or something else that causes Romo not to function at the same high level in make or break games as he does in less critical games during the regular season. Roethlisberger won a SB in 08 with an awful OL that helped get him sacked 48 times and carted off the field late during the 08 season. He didn't even have a running game that season. He played with numerous injuries but still led his team to a championship. Yes he had the #1 defense but it was shredded by Kurt Warner in the SB leaving Roethlisberger and his offense behind with 78 yards to cover in the final 2:37 seconds. Go back and watch that final Steelers drive and see how little time Roethlisberger had to throw the ball. He had defenders draped all over him on at least a couple of occasions but was able to escape and extend the plays.

No one is putting it all on Romo in these games but he's had 12 turnovers and 11 of them coming on the road in his 6 elimination game losses. He also had a fumbled snap on a FG attempt vs Seattle that could have won the game. He's made critical ill-timed mistakes in 2 of his 7 elimination games when they were on the line in the final minutes that the Cowboys were unable to overcome. He's played a part in these losses just like the rest of the team. I agree Romo was the least of the Cowboys problems vs the Giants in 07 but he wasn't sharp and played a role in the loss. He wasn't remotely close to the productive, efficient QB we saw throughout most of that season.

 

[birdwells1]

Those plays have been discussed several times. The Cowboys had plenty of opportunities to win that game despite those plays. The defense had trouble stopping the Giants all day on 3rd down and Romo wasn't sharp.

When teams realized that the other receivers couldnt beat them they started to double TO and try to take him out the game. Just think if you could take him out the game with one defender (second half against the Giants), you could use that person to blitz Romo and they did successfully. If you want know why the Roy Williams trade happened, it's because people caught up to Garrett's offense, they were not letting TO beat them Crayton and Witten were going to have to do it and they couldn't. Garrett thought that Williams would make the defenses play honest and free up TO but they didnt respect him anymore than Crayton and he never made them pay for it.

Garrett's offense took the league by storm but when the league adjusted he didnt have an adjustment and this offense has never looked as explosive as it did in th first 11 games of the 2007 season. I think that it's just not having enough experience calling plays and formulting game plans and his inexperience has hurt Romos development.

 

[Brooksey]

Yes he had the #1 defense but it was shredded by Kurt Warner in the SB leaving Roethlisberger and his offense behind with 78 yards to cover in the final 2:37 seconds. Go back and watch that final Steelers drive and see how little time Roethlisberger had to throw the ball. He had defenders draped all over him on at least a couple of occasions but was able to escape and extend the plays.

Yes he had the #1 Defense, that does something for any QB's confidence. You obviously lack basic football intelligence. Romo is not Big Ben 6'5 250 lbs, but he makes very athletic plays.

You are just another media-tized Romo hater. You repeat word for word ESPN commentary. Don't you have anything original besides elimination games? You're a dime a dozen follower...one who probably believes a basketball team lost because Romo was in attendance, lol.

 

[Brooksey]

Those plays have been discussed several times. The Cowboys had plenty of opportunities to win that game despite those plays. The defense had trouble stopping the Giants all day on 3rd down and Romo wasn't sharp.

Romo did everything he could do in that game. Watch the 4th quarter with Dallas up 17-14, it's free on you tube. If you think that was Romo's fault or lack of good QB play...than that just confirms who you really are.

 

[5Stars]

No, WW2 vet

Thanks...

 

[Animosity]

Okay...



3) Calling the Colts a "better team" at that point is highly questionable. They came into the game 6-5, having lost their last 2, and 3 of their last 4. Not exactly tearing it up.

they were a playoff team that year. Romo lost to elite teams like the Titans(where he threw 3 picks.. surprise surprise), Vikings, and Giants.

And you want to talk about small sample size? Like taking a few games from one season?

Record as a starter:

Romo 63-45
Kitna 50-75 (no playoff wins)

None of this is relevant to the FACT that if you gave Ktina EIGHT YEARS with a T.O. in his prime and a Dez Bryant not even in his prime... he would win at least ONE playoff game. Tim Tebow won one in what.. his first year starting? Boy, am I glad we have an elite QB like Romo, who is capable of winning one playoff game in eight years. Maybe in another 8 years, Romo just might win as another! We won more games with a 40 year old backup QB. You can't argue that.

 

[jnday]

Yes he had the #1 Defense, that does something for any QB's confidence. You obviously lack basic football intelligence. Romo is not Big Ben 6'5 250 lbs, but he makes very athletic plays.

You are just another media-tized Romo hater. You repeat word for word ESPN commentary. Don't you have anything original besides elimination games? You're a dime a dozen follower...one who probably believes a basketball team lost because Romo was in attendance, lol.

This is what this argument always comes to. If a poster disagrees with the Romo-lovers on this board, they question his football knowledge and start with the insults. Nevermind the GMs, scouts and coaches in this league that feels like Dallas can never win a Super Bowl with Romo at QB. The only people that has this great football knowledge is the Romo-lovers on this board and they have to resort to insults when they are confronted with Romo's record when he is under the pressure of elimination games.

 

[Animosity]

I'd like to know what "garbage time" TDs you're talking about.

LOL. Let's pretend the score wasn't 42-14 at the time and that Romo was benched shortly after. LMAO

 

[birdwells1]

Yes he had the #1 Defense, that does something for any QB's confidence. You obviously lack basic football intelligence. Romo is not Big Ben 6'5 250 lbs, but he makes very athletic plays.

You are just another media-tized Romo hater. You repeat word for word ESPN commentary. Don't you have anything original besides elimination games? You're a dime a dozen follower...one who probably believes a basketball team lost because Romo was in attendance, lol.

When Big Ben got the ball back it didnt matter if it was the '85 Bears defense, they couldnt help him.

 

[KJJ]

Romo did everything he could do in that game. Watch the 4th quarter with Dallas up 17-14, it's free on you tube. If you think that was Romo's fault or lack of good QB play...than that just confirms who you really are.

I'm judging Romo based on his play the entire game that day. He only completed 50% of his passes when he completed 64.4% during the regular season. His passer rating was only 64.7 vs the Giants in the playoffs when it was 97.4 during the regular season. All his numbers are down in the playoffs compared to the regular season. His playoff passer rating is only 80.8 which is way below his 95.8 regular season passer rating. He's only averaged 208 passing yards in the playoffs compared to 278 yards during the regular season. He's not the same efficient, productive QB in the playoffs that he is during the regular season and the stats and his W/L record back it up.

 

[KJJ]

Yes he had the #1 Defense, that does something for any QB's confidence. You obviously lack basic football intelligence. Romo is not Big Ben 6'5 250 lbs, but he makes very athletic plays.

You are just another media-tized Romo hater. You repeat word for word ESPN commentary. Don't you have anything original besides elimination games? You're a dime a dozen follower...one who probably believes a basketball team lost because Romo was in attendance, lol.

From what I've read from you I wouldn't be knocking my basic football intelligence. If insults are all you have in response to my opinions you'll be eliminated from my discussion list very shortly if it continues. For a 6' 5" 250 pound QB Roethlisberger is pretty athletic. It takes some athletic ability to run around avoiding pressure and extending plays. You're just another FAN who doesn't want to discuss Romo's elimination games preferring to focus on his regular season performances vs lesser teams in lesser games.

 

[KJJ]

Watch the 4th quarter with Dallas up 17-14, it's free on you tube. If you think that was Romo's fault or lack of good QB play...than that just confirms who you really are.

I never said it was his fault that just confirms the tiring agenda some of you have.

 

[5Stars]

Thanks...

I had to thank jnday. I now know why his logic is so messed up. I mean coming from an 80-90 year old dude, that is what I expected.

The Department of Veterans Affairs estimated that in 2011, 670 American World War II veterans died every day.[4] The median age for a World War II veteran in June 2011 was 92 years.[4]

But, he's still going strong, he has Kid Rock as his fan. lol

 

[5Stars]

I never said it was his fault that just confirms the tiring agenda some of you have.

Wow, pot meet kettle. lol

 

[Aurican]

I had to thank jnday. I now know why his logic is so messed up. I mean coming from an 80-90 year old dude, that is what I expected.

The Department of Veterans Affairs estimated that in 2011, 670 American World War II veterans died every day.[4] The median age for a World War II veteran in June 2011 was 92 years.[4]

But, he's still going strong, he has Kid Rock as his fan. lol

Wow way to refute his points by using personal insults, real mature of you. By the contributions you've made here I would guess you're about 5 years old LOL. Please nobody say anything negative about Romo, 5Stars and the stats crew will attack you because you hurt their feelings LMAO.