Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[Aurican]

Then logically, set a percentage and give those plays more weight. You're ignoring entire games, and well over 90% of all plays, in what can only very loosely be called your analysis.

The problem is you are trying to numerically assign values to a complex and fluid game and trying to draw definite conclusions that are not always accurate. Players are human and not robots they sometimes do take plays off, a player will play harder if their season is on the line, there is a mental aspect to the game, there is strategy and emotions involved, all stats are not equal and you can't lump them together. The 4th quarter comebacks is a good example, Why would a Qb who is struggling against a poor team for half the game and pulls a comeback win be better regarded than one that blew out the other team the during the first half and is then resting their starters? How good is each defense for every stat you used, was the play successful because of the QB or the receiver? You ignore these factors and try to place equal value on everything so you can measure it but that is not reality.

 

[Picksix]

I gave an honest answer. No one hates hearing the truth more than Cowboy FANS.

I have no problem with the truth - just some people's version of it. Is Romo an elite QB that can do no wrong? No. Is he good enough to win with, if given a decent amount of support? Yes. Has he come up short in big games? Yes. Has he come up big in big games? Yes. Does he have a poor playoff/week 17 record? No. Does the team have a poor playoff/week 17 record? Yes. Has he contributed to that poor record? Yes. Is he the only contributor that poor record? Not by a long shot.

 

[percyhoward]

I look at all of them and the ones that have mattered most have created the stigma Romo has.

That's dramatic and all, but this is football we're talking about here and you can't justifiably ignore 90% of the guy's plays for the sake of your storyline.

 

[KJJ]

That's dramatic and all, but this is football we're talking about here and you can't justifiably ignore 90% of the guy's plays for the sake of your storyline.

You seem to want to concentrate on 90% of the guys plays that allow you to come of with these stats/passer ratings that have ranked amongst many SB winning QB's. You'll be doing this long after he retires. How about starting a thread comparing his playoff performances to SB winning QB's and see where he ranks.

 

[burmafrd]

You seem to want to concentrate on 90% of the guys plays that allow you to come of with these stats/passer ratings that have ranked amongst many SB winning QB's. You'll be doing this long after he retires. How about starting a thread comparing his playoff performances to SB winning QB's and see where he ranks.

how about you admitting that those sb winning qbs had much better teams around them? Of course you can never admit that.....

 

[KJJ]

I have no problem with the truth - just some people's version of it. Is Romo an elite QB that can do no wrong? No. Is he good enough to win with, if given a decent amount of support? Yes. Has he come up short in big games? Yes. Has he come up big in big games? Yes. Does he have a poor playoff/week 17 record? No. Does the team have a poor playoff/week 17 record? Yes. Has he contributed to that poor record? Yes. Is he the only contributor that poor record? Not by a long shot.

My version of the truth is supported by facts.


[quote="Picksix, post: 5591051, member: 15746"Does he have a poor playoff/week 17 record? No. [/QUOTE]

Better check again the answer is yes. His week 17 record is 1-5 and his playoff record is 1-3.

 

[KJJ]

how about you admitting that those sb winning qbs had much better teams around them? Of course you can never admit that.....

Like Eli's SB winning team that the Cowboys dominated twice during the 2007 regular season? I didn't see 13 pro bowlers named from that Giants team. I didn't see them win 13 regular season games that season but they won the games that mattered most. You need to admit Romo had some good teams and neither he or his teams got it done.

 

[percyhoward]

The problem is you are trying to numerically assign values to a complex and fluid game and trying to draw definite conclusions that are not always accurate. Players are human and not robots they sometimes do take plays off, a player will play harder if their season is on the line, there is a mental aspect to the game, there is strategy and emotions involved, all stats are not equal and you can't lump them together. The 4th quarter comebacks is a good example, Why would a Qb who is struggling against a poor team for half the game and pulls a comeback win be better regarded than one that blew out the other team the during the first half and is then resting their starters? How good is each defense for every stat you used, was the play successful because of the QB or the receiver? You ignore these factors and try to place equal value on everything so you can measure it but that is not reality.

You mean it's not perfect.

Obviously, it is reality because it's what really happened, as opposed to someone's opinion based on what they remember of what they think they saw. Try removing your fuel guage and operating based on how far you think you've driven and when you last remember filling the tank.

 

[birdwells1]

When things are going good for the Cowboys, Romo is a good QB. He is not so good when things are not going their way. He does have the ability to change the flow of the game.

Yeah, he kinda has a front runners mentality, if he feels good about going against a certain opponent then mentally he's relaxed. The same thing was said about LeBron and against the Mavs it showed. The next year he felt comfortable in going against OKC and hit 2 clutch ft in the closing seconds to clinch game 2. I think Romo needs something good to happen for at the end of one of these elimination games and it will turn everything around in his mind.

Sports Illustrated did an article on being clutch, and when asked, Michael Jordan said that before he takes a last second shot he thinks back to the shot that he made against Georgetown to win the national championship and it gets into the proper mindset of taking a last second shot.

What does Romo have to think back on in do or die moments, hopefully he'll get that this year.

 

[KJJ]

Does he have a poor playoff/week 17 record? No.

Better check again the answer is yes. His week 17 record is 1-5 and his playoff record is 1-3.

 

[DFWJC]

Like Eli's SB winning team that the Cowboys dominated twice during the 2007 regular season? I didn't see 13 pro bowlers named from that Giants team. I didn't see them win 13 regular season games that season but they won the games that mattered most.

But you did see them run the table vs everyone...including Dallas...that season.
That D shut everyone down...even the record breaking Pats.

And everyone knows that 13 pro bowler thing was a joke, but most of us would agree that was the one and only year of Romo's entire career that they had a team that possibly could have gone to the Super Bowl.

It WAS a missed opportunity by the team...certainly including Rono.

 

[Picksix]

My version of the truth is supported by facts.


[quote="Picksix, post: 5591051, member: 15746"Does he have a poor playoff/week 17 record? No.

Better check again the answer is yes. His week 17 record is 1-5 and his playoff record is 1-3.[/quote]

It's not his record. It's the team's record. QB's don't win/lose games. Teams do. Those are facts. What you offer up is a twisted version of the facts. Otherwise, you get QB's throwing for 400+ yards and 4 TD's, and still getting hung with the loss, because the defense was awful. Or you get a QB who gets a win, despite throwing for 150 yards, no TD's, a couple TO's, but the team still wins, because the defense was great, and other players stepped up.

 

[DFWJC]

Better check again the answer is yes. His week 17 record is 1-5 and his playoff record is 1-3.

You mean his team's record...right?

I know you are brighter than that simple logic

 

[percyhoward]

You seem to want to concentrate on 90% of the guys plays that allow you to., .

Concentrate on them, no. I just want you to include them. You know, not throw them out. Make sense?

 

[DFWJC]

I have no problem with the truth - just some people's version of it. Is Romo an elite QB that can do no wrong? No. Is he good enough to win with, if given a decent amount of support? Yes. Has he come up short in big games? Yes. Has he come up big in big games? Yes. Does he have a poor playoff/week 17 record? No. Does the team have a poor playoff/week 17 record? Yes. Has he contributed to that poor record? Yes. Is he the only contributor that poor record? Not by a long shot.

That sums it up.

 

[KJJ]

But you did see them run the table vs everyone...including Dallas...that season.
That D shut everyone down...even the record breaking Pats.

And everyone knows that 13 pro bowler thing was a joke, but most of us would agree that was the one and only year of Romo's entire career that they had a team that possibly could have gone to the Super Bowl.

That D got torched in some games during the regular season including by the Cowboys twice. Romo tossed 8 TD's vs the Giants in those 2 regular season games. Even the Pats put up almost 40 points on them in the season finale but the Giants stepped up in the playoffs. The 13 pro bowler thing is only a joke to Cowboy FANS because the team ended up one and done in the playoffs. Some try to spin that wasn't even a good Cowboys team.

 

[jnday]

My version of the truth is supported by facts.


[quote="Picksix, post: 5591051, member: 15746"Does he have a poor playoff/week 17 record? No.

Better check again the answer is yes. His week 17 record is 1-5 and his playoff record is 1-3.[/quote]

The whole world is behind you and can see the choking. You are wasting your time trying to teach these guys .

 

[KJJ]

Concentrate on them, no. I just want you to include them. You know, not throw them out. Make sense?

I don't include every play because I'm not looking for an assortment of stats/passer ratings that will rank him amongst SB winning QB's.

 

[birdwells1]

To be an "elimination game" both teams have to be facing elimination. It has to be like a playoff game with the winner moving on and the loser staying home. I could be wrong but I don't think Philly had yet played so even had the Cowboys lost there was still a chance they would still be in contention if Philly did lose. I don't believe the Cowboys entered that game knowing Philly had already won.

No they didnt, Dallas played at 12 noon and Philly played at Chicago on Sunday Night Football.

 

[birdwells1]

Tennis, golf, trolling, idiocy, lacking logic, hate, stupidity....call it what you want. lol

It ain't that serious.