Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[KJJ]

That's probably because when you take everything, good and bad, he does rank passing stats wise up there with HOF/SB QB's. Is he a HOF QB? No, not yet. Can he be after his career is over? Anything is possible I guess, just have to wait and see how it goes.

That's because he's had a lot of good during the regular season playing in an era where teams are pass happy. There's a reason after only 8 seasons his stats/passer ratings exceed those of Staubach and Aikman.

 

[percyhoward]

No not the entire science, stats give an idea but they are not equal some are more accurate than others, sample size and amount of information and background available make it more accurate

What specific info would have made the stats in the OP more accurate, do you think?

 

[DallasEast]

What specific info would have made the stats in the OP more accurate, do you think?

This should be interesting.

 

[Picksix]

And if that's the result you find, just start throwing out parts until you get results you like. What kind of analysis is that?

Having worked in health care the last 20 years, sounds like research

 

[xwalker]

I was discussing the Washington game last season in week 16 when you responded. Sure sounded like you were referring to that game.

No, I'm just referring to the concept that when they keep stats, they consider it an elimination game, if the team is going to be eliminated due to a loss in that game. The status of the other team is irrelevant.

 

[percyhoward]

Percy looks for an assortment of stats/passer ratings that fits the narrative he wants to push. Every thread he starts on Romo has an assortment of stats/passer ratings that have him ranked with HOF/SB QB's.

That's where he ranks. It's not the poster. The poster is just conveying the information. If it wasn't me it would be somebody else, and often is.

 

[DanteEXT]

That's because he's had a lot of good during the regular season playing in an era where teams are pass happy. There's a reason after only 8 seasons his stats/passer ratings exceed those of Staubach and Aikman.

Exceeds those of past and equivalent to his contemporaries.

 

[KJJ]

That's where he ranks. It's not the poster. The poster is just conveying the information. If it wasn't me it would be somebody else, and often is.

Who do you think were the 3 "best" QB's (in order) in Cowboys history?

 

[KJJ]

Exceeds those of past and equivalent to his contemporaries.

A lot of QB's today exceed those of past QB's it's a pass happy era played under different rules. There's several of Romo's peers who out produce him. Romo ranks 42nd in career yards with 8 current QB's ranked ahead of him.

 

[birdwells1]

Who do you think were the 3 "best" QB's (in order) in Cowboys history?

I don't think that he can honestly answer that question. With all those stats it all comes down to this.

 

[DallasEast]

A lot of QB's today exceed those of past QB's it's a pass happy era played under different rules. There's several of Romo's peers who out produce him. Romo ranks 42nd in career yards with 8 current QB's ranked ahead of him.

That's logical since Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Matt Hasselbeck, Ben Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, and even Jon Kitna (nine, in that order) have enjoyed more games to pass for more yards than Tony Romo...

...in an era where teams are pass happy.

 

[DanteEXT]

A lot of QB's today exceed those of past QB's it's a pass happy era played under different rules. There's several of Romo's peers who out produce him. Romo ranks 42nd in career yards with 8 current QB's ranked ahead of him.

Most of those guys have also played more games than he has too. He's 10th among active QB's at PFR. The closest guy to him in starts is Kitna (16 more) and then Rivers (20 more). So of course he's going to have less yards, especially compared to guys like Peyton and his 240 starts.

 

[KJJ]

That's logical since Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Matt Hasselbeck, Ben Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, and even Jon Kitna (nine, in that order) have enjoyed more games to pass for more yards than Tony Romo...

The number of games doesn't matter a player is ranked according to the number of yards they put up regardless. Manning had 79 more passing attempts to smash Tom Brady's TD pass record. Jerry Rice and Emmitt had a lot more opportunities than most to set their records. Romo had more passing attempts in 2012 than Brady did the year he threw 50 TD passes.

 

[KJJ]

I don't think that he can honestly answer that question. With all those stats it all comes down to this.

If he answers it honestly he'll end up agreeing with me. lol He has to choose Romo or it derails all these stats/passer ratings he keeps posting on Romo.

 

[DallasEast]

The number of games doesn't matter a player is ranked according to the number of yards they put up regardless.

Number of games is completely relevant. The attempts occur during the games. More games = more opportunities to pass. Certainly, offenses can increase their overall number of pass attempts per game but that fact does not negate the other.

 

[KJJ]

Most of those guys have also played more games than he has too. He's 10th among active QB's at PFR. The closest guy to him in starts is Kitna (16 more) and then Rivers (20 more). So of course he's going to have less yards, especially compared to guys like Peyton and his 240 starts.

Favre has more yards and TD's than any QB who's ever played the game and there's many QB's including Staubach and Aikman who were better than him. Troy has been voted many times by independent sources as the best QB of the 90's which included Favre. Romo is a poor man's Brett Favre.

 

[Aurican]

What specific info would have made the stats in the OP more accurate, do you think?

I think there are too many unknowns to draw a conclusion using just stats to be honest but there are things you could add to help. The stats are great and all but the point of the game is to win so that also includes things like using the clock and not putting your defense in bad situations. Situational stats would help, when are turnovers occurring? Are the numbers the same against all defenses or is there a large variance? I would start by looking at how the games are being lost. Is it truly the defense that is causing the loss or are they usually being put in bad positions and wearing down? Are they given rest during the game or are there a lot of consecutive 3 and outs when the game is winnable? Is the game winnable and the offense is just not scoring when given a chance at the end? Are they given a lead or are they constantly playing from behind or close? Is the offense taking advantage of opportunities or do they stall for long periods? The offense is the strength of the team so they should give the defense more help considering how the team is built and the health of the defense late in the year. It's easy to say look at the total stats blame the defense but looking at it game by game would be a better approach.

 

[KJJ]

Number of games is completely relevant. The attempts occur during the games. More games = more opportunities to pass. Certainly, offenses can increase their overall number of pass attempts per game but that fact does not negate the other.

If it was relevant every NFL record would have an asterisk noting the carries or attempts a player had to achieve it. Eric Dickerson had 31 more carries the AD had in 2012 when Dickerson set the rushing record in 84 but it's never mentioned because it's irrelevant.

 

[DallasEast]

If it was relevant every NFL record would have an asterisk noting the carries or attempts a player had.

Nonsense. The number of pass attempts are tabulated per game played starting with the first pass thrown by the particular player. All subtotals (each individual game played within a career) are summed into a career total. This is an example of a norm. Asterisks apply to special circumstances. The amount of games played is not a special circumstance.

 

[percyhoward]

Who do you think were the 3 "best" QB's (in order) in Cowboys history?

Probably Staubach, Aikman, Romo.