Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

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Aurican said:
I think there are too many unknowns to draw a conclusion using just stats to be honest but there are things you could add to help. The stats are great and all but the point of the game is to win so that also includes things like using the clock and not putting your defense in bad situations. Situational stats would help, when are turnovers occurring? Are the numbers the same against all defenses or is there a large variance? I would start by looking at how the games are being lost. Is it truly the defense that is causing the loss or are they usually being put in bad positions and wearing down? Are they given rest during the game or are there a lot of consecutive 3 and outs when the game is winnable? Is the game winnable and the offense is just not scoring when given a chance at the end? Are they given a lead or are they constantly playing from behind or close? Is the offense taking advantage of opportunities or do they stall for long periods? The offense is the strength of the team so they should give the defense more help considering how the team is built and the health of the defense late in the year. It's easy to say look at the total stats blame the defense but looking at it game by game would be a better approach.
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Excellent post but believe me, he knows all of this already. He is just blinded by his love of Romo so he is always looking for ways make him look good. When was the last time he posted stats that made Romo look bad? Never. Everyone knows stats alone don't tell the whole story. There are tons of other variables that come into play.
 
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KJJ said:
If he answers it honestly he'll end up agreeing with me. lol He has to choose Romo or it derails all these stats/passer ratings he keeps posting on Romo.
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Both Staubach and Aikman's average rank in their best seasons were higher than Romo's in his so far. You were thinking otherwise, maybe?
 
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DallasEast said:
Nonsense. The number of pass attempts are tabulated per game played starting with the first pass thrown by the particular player. All subtotals (each individual game played within a career) are summed into a career total. This is an example of a norm. Asterisks apply to special circumstances. The amount of games played is not a special circumstance.
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it doesn't matter to me if a QB has more attempts than another resulting in them ranking higher on the yardage list.
 
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percyhoward said:
Both Staubach and Aikman's average rank in their best seasons were higher than Romo's in his so far. You were thinking otherwise, maybe?
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That's the reason you're ranking Staubach and Aikman ahead of Romo due to a statistical ranking? LOL Their championships played no part in your decision?
 
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Aurican said:
I think there are too many unknowns to draw a conclusion using just stats to be honest but there are things you could add to help. The stats are great and all but the point of the game is to win so that also includes things like using the clock and not putting your defense in bad situations. Situational stats would help, when are turnovers occurring? Are the numbers the same against all defenses or is there a large variance? I would start by looking at how the games are being lost. Is it truly the defense that is causing the loss or are they usually being put in bad positions and wearing down? Are they given rest during the game or are there a lot of consecutive 3 and outs when the game is winnable? Is the game winnable and the offense is just not scoring when given a chance at the end? Are they given a lead or are they constantly playing from behind or close? Is the offense taking advantage of opportunities or do they stall for long periods? The offense is the strength of the team so they should give the defense more help considering how the team is built and the health of the defense late in the year. It's easy to say look at the total stats blame the defense but looking at it game by game would be a better approach.
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Thanks for that. On my phone now, but will be addressing each of your points when I get the chance.
 
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ufcrules1 said:
When was the last time he posted stats that made Romo look bad? Never. Everyone knows stats alone don't tell the whole story. There are tons of other variables that come into play.
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Why should he? That's your specialty. And if there are "tons of other variables" why do we only seem to read about the same 2 or 3 all the time?
 

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He goes by rankings I go by the number of playoff wins and championships. That's how I rank QB's.
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AGREE,,,,, you don't see people putting Joe Montana's stats out there.....the 4 rings speaks for themselves.....fans who support Romo are forced to use stats to prove their points...because Romo does not have the SuperBowl or Playoff wins on his resume.......the beauty of stats is, they can be used to support whatever argument the author wants to share.

The NFL is about winning championships not about who has the best stats........I will take rings over stats anyday and everyday
 
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Bigdog24 said:
AGREE,,,,, you don't see people putting Joe Montana's stats out there.....the 4 rings speaks for themselves.....fans who support Romo are forced to use stats to prove their points...because Romo does not have the SuperBowl or Playoff wins on his resume.......the beauty of stats is, they can be used to support whatever argument the author wants to share.

The NFL is about winning championships not about who has the best stats........I will take rings over stats anyday and everyday
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So how do we know that Dan Marino was such a great QB? He doesn't have any rings, yet he's a first ballot hall of famer. Why? Jim Kelly doesn't have any rings, yet he's a hall of famer as well. A lot of QB's out there that are or were considered great that never won a ring.
 
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birdwells1 said:
Yeah, he kinda has a front runners mentality, if he feels good about going against a certain opponent then mentally he's relaxed. The same thing was said about LeBron and against the Mavs it showed. The next year he felt comfortable in going against OKC and hit 2 clutch ft in the closing seconds to clinch game 2. I think Romo needs something good to happen for at the end of one of these elimination games and it will turn everything around in his mind.

Sports Illustrated did an article on being clutch, and when asked, Michael Jordan said that before he takes a last second shot he thinks back to the shot that he made against Georgetown to win the national championship and it gets into the proper mindset of taking a last second shot.

What does Romo have to think back on in do or die moments, hopefully he'll get that this year.
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There is no doubt that players such as Jordan, Bird and Magic wanted the ball in the final seconds. They loved the pressure that came with the last second shot. Former Cowboys like Roger and Troy had the confidence in themselves to want the ball in the last minutes and the mental strength to thrive in the high pressure situations. Some fans question the existence of a "clutch" gene in players, but these few examples prove that certain players have it. These players passed their confidence on to their teammates and it showed . The clutch gene is one of the most important traits for a QB . The players that gave it are also great leaders . I miss seeing great leadership.
 
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