LSU-Alabama an old-fashioned showdown

[Cythim]

That does not equate to me proving your point, all you are doing is shifting controversy to lower ranked teams. There will still be controversy because a 1-loss team will be left out in most years and they will have a legit claim to getting in even if you pretend otherwise. You say Michigan State was not a legit championship contender but neither were Arkansas or Oklahoma and you let them in. By letting 8 teams into your championship you are changing the argument from legit contender to most deserved to be in the tournament. Right now we typically see no more than 3 "legit contenders" for the NC game but if you let in 8 teams we will see 10-15 teams who deserve a spot. You're just not thinking fourth dimensionally.

 

[Rogah]

That does not equate to me proving your point, all you are doing is shifting controversy to lower ranked teams.

Well, considering that's the point I'm trying to make, then yeah you are proving my point. The only part you don't realize is that by shifting the controversy from #3 to #9, you're significantly lessening (or entirely eliminating) the amount of controversy generated. TCU really got screwed by being left out. This year we could easily see Stanford getting screwed just as badly (if not worse). We once saw an undefeated Auburn team get left out. Those are legitimate controversies that people will remember years later. But no one is going to remember or care about a team getting left out when they weren't good enough to crack the top 8.

There will still be controversy because a 1-loss team will be left out in most years

Wow. For someone who chastised me for not looking at the historical BCS data, you're showing quite a bit of ignorance of it yourself because that last statement simply is not true. Fact is your Michigan State example that you keep bringing up is the only time in the past 5 years where a 1-loss team from a major conference failed to finish in the top 8 of the final BCS standings. (In fact, there are actually more examples of undefeated teams from non-BCS conferences falling outside the top 8 than there are 1-loss teams from BCS conferences falling outside the top 8)

and they will have a legit claim to getting in even if you pretend otherwise. You say Michigan State was not a legit championship contender but neither were Arkansas or Oklahoma and you let them in. By letting 8 teams into your championship you are changing the argument from legit contender to most deserved to be in the tournament. Right now we typically see no more than 3 "legit contenders" for the NC game but if you let in 8 teams we will see 10-15 teams who deserve a spot. You're just not thinking fourth dimensionally.

And you're just not thinking.

 

[Cythim]

Your point was your system is better than the current system, and I am not proving that in any way. Your system increases controversy by relaxing the requirements to get into the championship tournament. Your system weakens the regular season by encouraging all teams with championship asperations to schedule a weaker non-conference schedule. Your system uses the same broken polls the current system uses. I have pointed out the flaws in your system, the only good thing you have going is that TCU and Boise would get a shot at the title.

 

[MC KAos]

its simple, no way more than 8 teams ever go undefeated, almost impossible, i doubt it has ever happened, therefore 8 team playoff is the most fair system

 

[Rogah]

Your point was your system is better than the current system, and I am not proving that in any way.

Yeah you are, you just don't realize it.

Your system increases controversy by relaxing the requirements to get into the championship tournament.

No it doesn't because there just isn't going to be any real controversy over the #9 team in the nation being left out. No one is going to cry "foul" over your poor example of how unfair such a system would have been to the 2010 Michigan State Spartans. There simply won't be any real controversy like we currently have.

Your system weakens the regular season by encouraging all teams with championship asperations to schedule a weaker non-conference schedule.

You seem not to realize that the current system already does this. My system makes teams more likely to schedule tough non-conference games since my system dramatically lessens the chance of being eliminated simply for having 1 single loss, especially if that one loss is to a very good team.

Your system uses the same broken polls the current system uses. I have pointed out the flaws in your system, the only good thing you have going is that TCU and Boise would get a shot at the title.

I am not saying my system is flawless; no system could ever be devised by man that is 100% flawless in any possible circumstance imaginable. My 8-team playoff system strikes the ideal balance between allowing contenders to get in without having too many. And my system is infinitely superior to the status quo.

 

[jimmy40]

No it doesn't because there just isn't going to be any real controversy over the #9 team in the nation being left out.

bull****. wait till it happens to an OU, Alabama, or God forbid a Notre Dame.

 

[Rogah]

bull****. wait till it happens to an OU, Alabama, or God forbid a Notre Dame.

I disagree. If one of those teams finished #9 in the nation, any complaining from their fandom is going to fall on deaf ears. Fact is that for those particular teams, they'd really have to have 2 losses to fall out of the top 8. And no one outside Norman, Tuscaloosa and South Bend would consider it controversial or unfair for a 2-loss Sooners, Tide or Irish team to be left out.

 

[Hoofbite]

You are trying to use logic and opinion at the same time. Opinions can change based on weekly outcome. I may have thought LSU and Alabama were the two best teams before last night, but based on what I saw my opinion can change. Is Bama really the second best team in the nation when they can only score 6 points against LSU?

Is LSU really the best team in the country when they can only score 9 against Alabama?

If they had each played another team, they'd still be sitting #1 and #2.

 

[MC KAos]

Is LSU really the best team in the country when they can only score 9 against Alabama?

If they had each played another team, they'd still be sitting #1 and #2.

but they did play each other, and since all the BCS apologists say that the entire regular season is a playoff, bama doesnt deserve to play for the title at this point

 

[jimmy40]

I disagree. If one of those teams finished #9 in the nation, any complaining from their fandom is going to fall on deaf ears. Fact is that for those particular teams, they'd really have to have 2 losses to fall out of the top 8. And no one outside Norman, Tuscaloosa and South Bend would consider it controversial or unfair for a 2-loss Sooners, Tide or Irish team to be left out.

so a 2 loss OU, Alabama or Notre Dame wouldn't have an issue being left out for an 8th ranked Houston?

 

[MC KAos]

so a 2 loss OU, Alabama or Notre Dame wouldn't have an issue being left out for an 8th ranked Houston?

they shouldnt

 

[jimmy40]

they shouldnt

they would but we'll probably never get to find out.

 

[Rogah]

so a 2 loss OU, Alabama or Notre Dame wouldn't have an issue being left out for an 8th ranked Houston?

If Houston was undefeated then nobody outside Norman, Tuscaloosa or South Bend would have a single problem with Houston getting in at #8 and those other teams being left out with their 2 losses. Obviously we'd hear whining and complaining from those quarters but it would fall on deaf ears since no one would have any sympathy for a 2-loss team getting beaten out for the playoffs by a 0-loss team.