LSU vs Alabama Part 2

[Hoofbite]

I hope Alabama wins in a slopfest so they can't crown anyone.

 

[Doomsday101]

I wish both teams would lose.

For a 1-loss team to get a nod over an SEC 1-loss team, it would probably have to be Ohio St, Michigan, USC, Texas or Oklahoma. I don't think schools like OSU are going to get the respect from the polls and the BCS that they are due, especially against a team that recently won a NC.

Having said that, Alabama is the only hope we have of anyone giving LSU a real game. LSU would crush OSU like a worm. They have like 10 good NFL prospects on their roster. If LSU had a good QB, they'd be among the best teams we've ever seen. And yet they're probably only slightly better than Bama.

It will be ugly, but probably half the guys starting in that game will also be on Sunday. There will be as much defensive talent on the field in one college game as we've seen in years.

Predicting LSU would crush them is just that your own prediction unless the game is played there is no certainty how it would have played out.

 

[StylisticS]

I wish both teams would lose.

For a 1-loss team to get a nod over an SEC 1-loss team, it would probably have to be Ohio St, Michigan, USC, Texas or Oklahoma. I don't think schools like OSU are going to get the respect from the polls and the BCS that they are due, especially against a team that recently won a NC.

Having said that, Alabama is the only hope we have of anyone giving LSU a real game. LSU would crush OSU like a worm. They have like 10 good NFL prospects on their roster. If LSU had a good QB, they'd be among the best teams we've ever seen. And yet they're probably only slightly better than Bama.

It will be ugly, but probably half the guys starting in that game will also be on Sunday. There will be as much defensive talent on the field in one college game as we've seen in years.

Yeah, I wonder if this was Oklahoma, would they have kept them out of the BCS championship game? My thinking is that they wouldn't. The BCS is a joke.

 

[joseephuss]

I would agree that by losing OSU put their fate in the hands of those who do not play but write about the game. Bama did the same they lost and in the end their fate was put in the hands of others

you are right....both teams lost, both teams put their fate in the hands of the writers..and bama won out..end of story

The AP poll(the writers) is not part of the BCS formula. The coaches poll and the Harris poll are used along with the computers. I suppose some people in the Harris poll could be writers. I am not sure who makes it up.

 

[CATCH17]

Yeah, I wonder if this was Oklahoma, would they have kept them out of the BCS championship game? My thinking is that they wouldn't. The BCS is a joke.

Oh you know they would've put OU in there even with their loss @ home to Texas Tech if they were in Okie States position.

They are untouchable for some reason. Choke job after choke job but they are still viewed as this team that deserves a Title shot any time they are in contention.

 

[Doomsday101]

The AP poll(the writers) is not part of the BCS formula. The coaches poll and the Harris poll are used along with the computers. I suppose some people in the Harris poll could be writers. I am not sure who makes it up.

Harris Poll, which was begun in 2005 after The Associated Press withdrew its sportswriters' poll from BCS rankings, are less well-known. Its 115-person panel is chosen at random from among more than 300 nominations by FBS conferences and independent programs, and is made up largely of former players, coaches, administrators and media members.

Who are these guys, and how do they go about their jobs? The Post and Courier talked to three with ties to the state of South Carolina to find out.

Brentson Buckner

Buckner played defensive tackle at Clemson from 1990-93 and went on to a 12-year career in the NFL with the Steelers, Bengals, 49ers and Panthers. He's been voting in the Harris Poll since it started in 2005.

"I do take it seriously," said Buckner, who lives in Concord, N.C., and has three children. "There are plenty of nights I'm going to bed at three or four in the morning on Saturday night. I'll watch a Pac 10 game, watch a Boise State game I recorded. I want to give a good representation and not just vote for teams just to be voting."

As a Harris Poll voter, Buckner is part of the BCS system. But he'd rather see a playoff determine the national champ.

"I'm a big proponent of a playoff, a plus-one system," Buckner said. "At the end of the year, it seems like we're always debating whether this team is as good as that team. I'd like to see a playoff system, if there's any way they could work it out and get everybody satisfied."

Buckner said this year's LSU/Alabama scenario points out a flaw in the BCS system.

"I think the BCS has painted itself into a corner," he said. "If you don't play for your conference championship, why should you play for the national championship? But if you put Alabama in any other conference, it's the runaway champ. It's tricky."

Buckner made no promises as to which teams he would vote into the BCS title game should Georgia knock off No. 1 LSU in Saturday's SEC title game.

"I'll wait to see the game," he said. "I don't like people saying that losing a game early is better than losing one late. To me, a loss is a loss. I didn't really punish Alabama for losing to LSU, and I don't think I would punish LSU for losing to Georgia. But if they get blown out, that's a different thing."

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/dec/02/harris-poll-one-of-the-mysteries-of-bowl/

 

[Cythim]

They went 11-1 and beat 10th ranked OU 44-10 to win the Big 12. Would it have been better for them to have beaten that 6-6 team 44-10 and have lost to OU?

Bama lost at home to LSU and they did not win their own Conference Championship. They should not be playing for a National Championship.

Bama went 11-1 and beat 6th ranked Arkansas. Is it their fault OSU was able to win the Big 12 because they lost to a 6-6 team instead of an undefeated team? OSU lost to an inferior opponent and rightfully are not playing for a National Championship.

 

[Doomsday101]

Bama went 11-1 and beat 6th ranked Arkansas. Is it their fault OSU was able to win the Big 12 because they lost to a 6-6 team instead of an undefeated team? OSU lost to an inferior opponent and rightfully are not playing for a National Championship.

and OSU played teams with an overall better record. Yes they lost on the road and Bama lost at home. Both have a legit claims. In the end the only one that matter is the BCS standings, the colleges voted for it and you live with it.

However this again will be debated by many as to who should be in the NC game and will once again bring up the topic of some type of playoff system.

I find it strange that out of all the college sports only the Division I-A football does not have a playoff system.

 

[Cythim]

and OSU played teams with an overall better record. Yes they lost on the road and Bama lost at home. Both have a legit claims. In the end the only one that matter is the BCS standings, the colleges voted for it and you live with it.

However this again will be debated by many as to who should be in the NC game and will once again bring up the topic of some type of playoff system.

I find it strange that out of all the college sports only the Division I-A football does not have a playoff system.

The playoff debate has been happening for decades now and it has not changed. We have had controversy throughout the years and all we've been given to "fix" it is this crappy BCS system. Congress even threatened to do something about it and that has gone nowhere. I don't have the money or the power to change it and I'm tired of complaining.

 

[Doomsday101]

The playoff debate has been happening for decades now and it has not changed. We have had controversy throughout the years and all we've been given to "fix" it is this crappy BCS system. Congress even threatened to do something about it and that has gone nowhere. I don't have the money or the power to change it and I'm tired of complaining.

It took years to move away from the old system to the BCS bowls and it may take years to get a playoff system in place and I'm sure many of us will continue to complain until it happens.


Let me say while I don't agree with the BCS standing this year it is a better system than what was in place before.

 

[DFWJC]

The BCS is sickening.

I'm not an OSU fan and maybe LSU and Bama are the two best teams. But we will never know for sure. Remember a few years ago when the big debate was should Ohio State and Michigan have a rematch of the that years version of the game of the century? Everyone was so sure they were the two best teams. Turns out, that neither of them may have belonged in the title game. lol

I don't really believe this, but for all we know, LSU and Bama are are ther 2nd and 3rd best because neither played OSU. OSU should maybe should not have played Iowa St the week of that major tradgedy. They blew it though.

 

[joseephuss]

The BCS is sickening.

I'm not an OSU fan and maybe LSU and Bama are the two best teams. But we will never know for sure. Remember a few years ago when the big debate was should Ohio State and Michigan have a rematch of the that years version of the game of the century? Everyone was so sure they were the two best teams. Turns out, that neither of them may have belonged in the title game. lol

I don't really believe this, but for all we know, LSU and Bama are are ther 2nd and 3rd best because neither played OSU. OSU should maybe should not have played Iowa St the week of that major tradgedy. They blew it though.

I don't agree that everyone knew they were the best two teams. I remember seeing several pundits not agreeing with that. I know that I didn't buy into that.

Like Dooms said, this system is bad, but still better than the old system. It will change eventually.

 

[DFWJC]

I don't agree that everyone knew they were the best two teams. I remember seeing several pundits not agreeing with that. I know that I didn't buy into that.

Like Dooms said, this system is bad, but still better than the old system. It will change eventually.

Oh I agree....just an exaggeration. If everyone thought they were they were the two best than they would have played each other.
I also had an issue with an undefeated Auburn not getting a shot a few years ago. Really unimaginable to run the table in the SEC, win the title game, and still not even get a chance to play for the BCS title.

 

[Doomsday101]

The BCS is sickening.

I'm not an OSU fan and maybe LSU and Bama are the two best teams. But we will never know for sure. Remember a few years ago when the big debate was should Ohio State and Michigan have a rematch of the that years version of the game of the century? Everyone was so sure they were the two best teams. Turns out, that neither of them may have belonged in the title game. lol

I don't really believe this, but for all we know, LSU and Bama are are ther 2nd and 3rd best because neither played OSU. OSU should maybe should not have played Iowa St the week of that major tradgedy. They blew it though.

I agree for the most part.

I like the BCS better than what College had before. Before the BCS a #1 and #2 ranked team more times than not would not even face each other in a bowl game. The BCS made that happen.

Like many others I want a playoff system in place because as we know in most years when talking about the top 3 to 5 teams in the ranking there is not always a clear cut team. I think most of us would agree LSU is the #1 ranked team it gets cloudy when talking #2 that is where a playoff system would help clear things up

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Bama went 11-1 and beat 6th ranked Arkansas. Is it their fault OSU was able to win the Big 12 because they lost to a 6-6 team instead of an undefeated team? OSU lost to an inferior opponent and rightfully are not playing for a National Championship.

Yeah, so? The fact of the matter is that if OSU and Alabama would have started off even in the pre-season points that make up the BCS rankings, OSU would be ranked higher right now. Bama had their shot. They blew it. OSU is getting screwed.

 

[Cythim]

Yeah, so? The fact of the matter is that if OSU and Alabama would have started off even in the pre-season points that make up the BCS rankings, OSU would be ranked higher right now. Bama had their shot. They blew it. OSU is getting screwed.

You are making an assumption that cannot be proven. OSU had their shot and blew it against a 6-6 team. They are getting what they deserve.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You are making an assumption that cannot be proven. OSU had their shot and blew it against a 6-6 team. They are getting what they deserve.

How so?

 

[joseephuss]

You are making an assumption that cannot be proven. OSU had their shot and blew it against a 6-6 team. They are getting what they deserve.

They aren't getting what they deserve. No one is in the flawed system. I think Alabama is the better team and I would enjoy seeing a matchup of Alabama(#2) vs. OSU(#3) in a playoff game that determines who plays against the winner of LSU(#1) vs. Stanford(#4). Then we would be getting what we deserve.

I would much rather argue which teams should be #4 than which ones should be #2.

 

[Cythim]

How so?

You are assuming OSU would be ranked higher with nothing to support the claim. OSU had a .96 average rating before losing to ISU and dropped down to .84 because of the loss. Losing to an average team is what cost OSU, not starting behind Alabama in the BCS rankings.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You are assuming OSU would be ranked higher with nothing to support the claim. OSU had a .96 average rating before losing to ISU and dropped down to .84 because of the loss. Losing to an average team is what cost OSU, not starting behind Alabama in the BCS rankings.

I am assuming nothing. I am saying that if both Bama and OSU started from the same place to begin with, Bama would not be ranked higher. OSU has strength of schedule, strength of conference and an extra game played against a ranked opponent and a BCS Conference Championship over Bama.