Lynch's workout

[pjtoadie]

I've said this many times but I want Wentz, Goff, or Lynch. If the Cowboys don't see any of those 3 as possible franchise QB's I'd rather them not draft any QB at all.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

What do you think of Hackenberg? My early take on draft positioning is Dallas will leave the draft with either Lynch in the first round or if not, Hackenberg or Prescott in the 3rd/4th.

I don't like his accuracy. I haven't seen hi-speed video of his release, so I can't judge on that. He does seem like a smart QB. He can read defenses and know what the defense is trying to do. I think his arm strength is overrated. It's good, but clearly a step below Wentz and Lynch and I think overall I would rather have Goff's arm than Hackenberg's. I could see coaches falling in love with Hackenberg because from a reading of defenses and skills of manipulating safeties and linebackers, he's pretty much at franchise NFL level. But, he also makes a lot of dumb decisions. I think he thinks his arm is better than it actually is.

He's got good potential, but also great bust potential. If he's drafted in the 3rd or 4th round, my guess it that he'll likely be a bust. He's not Kirk Cousins (who I think is overrated, too) as Cousin fits perfectly into the WCO and was ready to go in the WCO from a technique standpoint from day 1.

I re-watched Prescott on tape and he was better than I originally thought. Places the ball pretty well although it's not with great velocity. Average athlete. However, upside reminds me of Kurt Warner...average athlete that moves the ball downfield better than expected for that type of arm.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You don't know where it comes from but it is pretty much across the board from the draft guys.

Yeah, and Brett Favre was drafted in the 2nd round. Mobile QB that played in an option attack that had a rocket for an arm.

The draft board guys could never explain that one either.




YR

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Walter Football dated March 31

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2016QB.php

Ourlads

http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-draft/

CBS

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2016/QB

Draft Countdown - has Lynch second

http://www.draftcountdown.com/nfl-draft-ranking/quarterback-rankings/

ESPN - don't have Lynch in top 32

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft

 

[texbumthelife]

I don't know where they come up with Goff and Wentz being #1 and #2.

I think Goff from a physical standpoint, is well behind Lynch and I would be worried about his hand size. He also played in the Pac-10 which is weak for defense and he had some quality receivers around him.

Goff is plenty tall and will weigh just fine by time he plays. Maybe he doesn't run as fast nor have the cannon of Lynch, but he showed great velocity at his pro-day and made every throw accurately, dispelling any/all worried about his arm strength.

Wentz is about what you would want from a QB from a physical standpoint. But his mechanics are real inconsistent and he didn't throw the ball that accurately in college. He did play in tough weather conditions, but he also played against low competition. The transition in going from FCS to the NFL is a large one from a speed perspective. Romo was able to do it, but I question him in comparison to Lynch (and Goff).

Calling Wentz's mechanics inconsistent and then touting Lynch's sapps just about any credibility you had. Lynch has by far the most inconsistent mechanics, delivery and accuracy or the top 3. You can disagree, but you'd generally be disagreeing with nearly everyone, including the guys who do it for a living.

Lynch played on a miserable offensive team. They dropped a ton of passes and the O-Line couldn't block. They had a couple of capable tailbacks and that was it. Meanwhile, he played against tough defenses like Navy, Temple (really great defense), Ole Miss, Houston, etc. The only thing I would think that takes away from Lynch is that he played in the spread offense. But, so did Aaron Rodgers (it just wasn't a hurry up, spread option).

Goff played on a team just as miserable against teams just as good.

The comparison to Flacco I find unfounded (and I like Flacco). I think he compares more to Aaron Rodgers (upside wise). Quick release, incredible arm and he moves and runs like Rodgers does. In fact, I think you can use spread option with Lynch due to his running ability and size.

You are literally the only person I have seen claim Lynch has a quick release and in fact nearly everyone has argued the opposite. He has a great arm, no doubt. He is acutally a much better athlete than Rodgers, without nearly the pocket presence or downfield awareness when moving.

If I needed a pocket passer that was ready to go today, I would go with Goff. But it's not like I would expect Goff to tear up the NFL right away or even in 2017. But if I'm looking at a long term development and probability of working out, I would go with Lynch-Wentz-Goff.

I agree Lynch has the highest ceiling, but he also has the lowest floor and needs the most work. Yeah, I know the argument is "that's exactly what we should get so he can sit and watch" but any of the three QB's are going to be better for sitting and watching. They're all going to improve.

 

[texbumthelife]

Yeah, and Brett Favre was drafted in the 2nd round. Mobile QB that played in an option attack that had a rocket for an arm.

The draft board guys could never explain that one either.




YR

And they're still all probably right considerably more than you.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Yeah, and Brett Favre was drafted in the 2nd round. Mobile QB that played in an option attack that had a rocket for an arm.

The draft board guys could never explain that one either.




YR

There are going to be misses.....doesn't change the fact that all these guys that evaluate players for a living are projecting him as 3rd best prospect at the position. Maybe you are right. These are the guys that also had Jamarcus Russell as the top QB in the draft a while back.

Fact is, none of these guys are an Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning as far as a prospect. You just KNEW those guys were going to be good (although Luck had a really weird year this past year....assume due to injuries). You are taking a risk with any of them.

 

[Kaiser]

I re-watched Prescott on tape and he was better than I originally thought. Places the ball pretty well although it's not with great velocity. Average athlete. However, upside reminds me of Kurt Warner...average athlete that moves the ball downfield better than expected for that type of arm.

Thanks, agree on Prescott and I haven't seen Hackenberg at all. I just got Dane Brugler draft guide and he picks Prescott to be a career backup, which surprised me. I trust the scouts and coaches at this point, though obviously developing a QB is a special case.

I really think we leave the draft with Lynch, Prescott or Hackenberg.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Rodgers was a much better prospect than any of these guys.

 

[robjay04]

Rodgers was a much better prospect than any of these guys.

Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the league. I don't think many people questioned his pedigree, he had some character concerns and some teams were probably nitpicking.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the league. I don't think many people questioned his pedigree, he had some character concerns and some teams were probably nitpicking.

And your point is?

 

[robjay04]

And your point is?

You don't have to be on Aaron Rodgers level to be a franchise QB in this league. That is like saying that none of the running backs in the draft are an Adrian Peterson prospect or that their are no defensive ends on JJ Watt's level.

I don't think a single player from this draft will be the best at their position in five years, doesn't mean they won't be good..

 

[tyke1doe]

I've said this many times but I want Wentz, Goff, or Lynch. If the Cowboys don't see any of those 3 as possible franchise QB's I'd rather them not draft any QB at all.

Not to pick on you, so don't take this personally. But I hear a lot of posters say, "If the Cowboys don't feel that Lynch/Wentz/Goff are franchise quarterbacks, then I'd rather that they not draft them."

So ... will you or do you think others will be okay if the Cowboys pass, assuming that they've done so because those guys AREN'T franchise quarterbacks?

It's almost like many will be giving the Cowboys a pass if they pass because if they pass that means they didn't think the three were franchise quarterbacks.

Do you get what I'm saying? And do you agree? (This question is open to all who would like to respond.)

 

[NeonNinja]

Damn, just made a guy blow his hammy trying to catch up to a pass. He's got two guys headed for IR and the workout isn't half over.

You're trying too hard. And most of it doesn't make sense. Also, Lynch has been separated from Cook for a long time. At least, to people that have a clue.

 

[Plankton]

Isn't that extremely rare to have 3 QBs in the first round become studs?

That's why 1983 is considered the hallmark of all QB draft classes. Three HOF QBs in Elway, Kelly and Marino, another good QB in Ken O'Brien in the first round.

With the 2004 draft, in Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger, that's not too shabby either.

 

[pjtoadie]

Not to pick on you, so don't take this personally. But I hear a lot of posters say, "If the Cowboys don't feel that Lynch/Wentz/Goff are franchise quarterbacks, then I'd rather that they not draft them."

So ... will you or do you think others will be okay if the Cowboys pass, assuming that they've done so because those guys AREN'T franchise quarterbacks?

It's almost like many will be giving the Cowboys a pass if they pass because if they pass that means they didn't think the three were franchise quarterbacks.

Do you get what I'm saying? And do you agree? (This question is open to all who would like to respond.)

I totally get what you're saying! I really hope that they don't pass on one of those 3. If they do I'll give them the benefit of the doubt initially lol.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Peter Fleischer

✔ ‎@Peter_Fleischer
Got to chat with Leigh Steinberg before Paxton got going today. Told me the Cowboys, Eagles and Rams have shown the most interest thus far.

12:56 PM - 6 Apr 2016

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

You're trying too hard. And most of it doesn't make sense. Also, Lynch has been separated from Cook for a long time. At least, to people that have a clue.

It makes sense if you watched it....and it was done with a touch of sarcasm. Funny, all the guys on NFL Network mentioned Cook as being the closest to Lynch and Lynch has separated himself.

I am sure the the rug burn on the TE's leg was very funny to him too. I saw guys laying out trying to catch some of Lynch's misfires, reaching awkwardly behind them, going up high to make catches....but his accuracy isn't a concern.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Peter Fleischer

✔ ‎@Peter_Fleischer
Got to chat with Leigh Steinberg before Paxton got going today. Told me the Cowboys, Eagles and Rams have shown the most interest thus far.

12:56 PM - 6 Apr 2016

I would guess Cowboys and Eagles in a trade down or trade up scenario....Rams at their scheduled pick. The big key is would the Rams consider trading up for Goff or Wentz?

 

[Rogerthat12]

I would guess Cowboys and Eagles in a trade down or trade up scenario....Rams at their scheduled pick. The big key is would the Rams consider trading up for Goff or Wentz?

You know if the Cowboys are not sold on Wentz or Goff @4 they are salivating over a Rams call!