Mac Engel: Talks about Glenn

[arglebargle]

The Cowboys cannot count on Glenn at all, this year or next. IF he returns, it is icing on the cake, but you better be prepared to play without him. He's been a trooper here, but I don't think he will hold up on the field. If Glenn actually makes it to the field, the chances of him injuring himself again are not small.

The Cowboys were probably hoping for one more decent year from him, hence the developmental QB turned WR they drafted in the 4th round, Stanback. Someone with deep speed would sure help right now, but the coaching staff apparantly doesn't want to give Austin or Stanback a bigger role.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'm tired of spending draft picks on guys who won't play... Why even draft them.

 

[arglebargle]

I'm tired of spending draft picks on guys who won't play... Why even draft them.

You will be a millionaire if you just show 'em your handy dandy always-picks-players-perfectly system....

 

[bbwlover]

Stanback is a 4th round draft pick!!! He has to get on the field!

 

[WoodysGirl]

I'm tired of spending draft picks on guys who won't play... Why even draft them.

I'm not sure what point you're addressing in this thread, since this is primarily about Glenn. Carp maybe?

Anywho, as far as draft picks, there are a number of reasons why a draft pick won't play. Simply put, the better the team, the harder it is for rookies to get snaps much less make an impact. Gone are the days when draft picks are handed starting spots, because the talent ahead of them is wack. A guy like Alan Ball would've been starting in 2002. In 2007, he's on the PS. Says alot about how the 'boys are doing business now.

 

[Nav22]

I saw a report the other day that said Antonio Bryant has an offer on the table from the Cowboys, and like everyone else I scoffed at this... now it's not sounding so crazy.

If we don't get Terry Glenn back, IMO we could use a 3rd WR upgrade over Sam Hurd. I like Hurd's potential, but he only has a small handful of catches this year and hasn't really given us that 3rd threat at WR that is desirable. Hurd can keep developing as the #4.

I wouldn't mind seeing us bring Antonio back for pennies to fill in as the 3rd WR. If he has stayed in shape, he's an upgrade over Hurd for now, IMO.

BUT... he would have to first understand that he is in no way, shape, or form going to be challening Patrick Crayton as the #2. If he gets that through his head and is willing to play for the minimum, bring him aboard.

If Glenn really can't come back, that is.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I saw a report the other day that said Antonio Bryant has an offer on the table from the Cowboys, and like everyone else I scoffed at this... now it's not sounding so crazy.

If we don't get Terry Glenn back, IMO we could use a 3rd WR upgrade over Sam Hurd. I like Hurd's potential, but he only has a small handful of catches this year and hasn't really given us that 3rd threat at WR that is desirable. Hurd can keep developing as the #4.

I wouldn't mind seeing us bring Antonio back for pennies to fill in as the 3rd WR. If he has stayed in shape, he's an upgrade over Hurd for now, IMO.

BUT... he would have to first understand that he is in no way, shape, or form going to be challening Patrick Crayton as the #2. If he gets that through his head and is willing to play for the minimum, bring him aboard.

If Glenn really can't come back, that is.

If we are depending on freaking Antonio Bryant to come in here during our playoff run and contribute.....we are screwed!!!

Somebody please tell me that if Glenn is done, AB is not plan B...please

 

[Beast_from_East]

He just said on GAC that things aren't looking to well for Glenn and it is going to be awhile before Terry Glenn even starts running again.
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Im starting to think he isnt even going to be a option for us at any point this season.

Its November and the guy still cant even run. It sucks we didnt show more patience with his injury from the get go.

Damn, if it is true he still cant run, I think he may be done. If this is the case, I am 100% certain we either draft a WR high or go after a big name vet (Roy Williams, Chad Johnson, Fitz in Arizona, ect...)

 

[Idgit]

It's not just that he isn't starting, he's not even a factor this season in any way. Engel said that Carpenter wasn't a good pass rusher, and a lot of you got all in a huff and insulted and ... it turns out he's not a good pass rusher. If he was, he would have at least spelled Spencer, who was taking an insane amount of snaps for a true rookie while Ellis was out.

Anyway, I think if there wasn't a sense that the Cowboys "owe" Glenn for having the lesser surgery that they would have already put him on IR. If he's not even casually running by Week 9, you can pretty much close the book on it. I feel bad for Glenn, he was willing to jeopardize his long term health because he wanted to play this year so badly and it looks like it may have been futile.

Wasn't this the issue where Engel reported something Phillips supposedly said after a press conference as they were walking away, and it couldn't be supported with any evidence? If so, that was the reason people got in a huff. Especially since Phillips had reported in a press conference a week or so earlier that Carpenter had done a nice job blitzing from the ILB spot in that day's practice.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wasn't this the issue where Engel reported something Phillips supposedly said after a press conference as they were walking away, and it couldn't be supported with any evidence? If so, that was the reason people got in a huff. Especially since Phillips had reported in a press conference a week or so earlier that Carpenter had done a nice job blitzing from the ILB spot in that day's practice.

DING DING DING.

Engels has a penchant for producing stories that no one else goes with. Just a week before Phillips had said that Glenn was working on his quad strength before he returned to practice and that was going to take a couple of weeks. Now Engels comes up with this and strangely noone else is corroborating it.

Normally if someone like JJT, Archer, Hill or the like report something, there are other people who will run the story. For example if the DMN thought this was a worthwhile scoop they would report it too. Again, strangely DMN has nothing on this.

Engel is a hack.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

wasn't marques colston a 7th round pick last year? I know Stanback is making a transition to WR...but the one thing I liked about the coaching staff was the fact that they did not make this thing out to be rocket science....if a team like the Bears has 9 men in the box...well then throw the ball, even if you have to do it 10 times in a row. My point is this, how hard is it to tell stanback to run a go route, or to run a post or use him to run a clearing route. With this team, anyone with speed needs to see some playing time to throw the opposition on it's heels...whether you are on offense or defense

 

[starfrombirth]

Stanback is a 4th round draft pick!!! He has to get on the field!

By who's logic? Is there some rule somewhere that say you must play if your a 4th round pick or above? 4th round is actually pretty far down when you consider the talent depth at almost all the positions on this team. Lets say he was a 2nd or even a first. Who is he gonna replace, T.O., Crayton? I think too many people (You included) are blinded by the success of some of our lower round picks. Lets try and remember that that is part of the reason why Big Bill was brought here... he shops for "groceries" really well.

 

[Woods]

wasn't marques colston a 7th round pick last year? I know Stanback is making a transition to WR...but the one thing I liked about the coaching staff was the fact that they did not make this thing out to be rocket science....if a team like the Bears has 9 men in the box...well then throw the ball, even if you have to do it 10 times in a row. My point is this, how hard is it to tell stanback to run a go route, or to run a post or use him to run a clearing route. With this team, anyone with speed needs to see some playing time to throw the opposition on it's heels...whether you are on offense or defense

This is what I started a thread on about 2 weeks ago.

We all understand Stanback is not a finished product.

But, why not let him get comfortable with several plays during the game, and then let him expand on it every week?

For example, let Stanback run a fly route, use him possibly on a reverse (or fake reverse), maybe on a pass out of the backfield as a gadget play, and a deep post route (utilizing his speed) to start with. And then in a couple of weeks later, put in 2-3 more plays for him to use in his artillery.

In any case, Garrett is very innovative, and I'm sure there many other plays he can draw up that will utilize Stanback's speed.

I hope we try to do some of this the 2nd half of the season. Let's see what happens.

 

[starfrombirth]

We are only taking his word that he is fast. If I remember right, most of the draft reports didn't list him with blazing speed. Correct me if I'm wrong. :starspin

 

[InmanRoshi]

Wasn't this the issue where Engel reported something Phillips supposedly said after a press conference as they were walking away, and it couldn't be supported with any evidence? If so, that was the reason people got in a huff. Especially since Phillips had reported in a press conference a week or so earlier that Carpenter had done a nice job blitzing from the ILB spot in that day's practice.

Blitzing is not the same as pass rushing. You're not using club, rip and swim moves against offensive tackles when you blitz.


How about the evidence that Wade hasn't used Bobby Carpenter as a pass rusher all year, even though we obviously needed one with Ellis out and a true rookie playing every snap. That's pretty good evidence to me as to what Wade does and doesn't think of Carpenter's pass rush ability.

 

[Woods]

We are only taking his word that he is fast. If I remember right, most of the draft reports didn't list him with blazing speed. Correct me if I'm wrong. :starspin

No, he's fast.

 

[joseephuss]

We are only taking his word that he is fast. If I remember right, most of the draft reports didn't list him with blazing speed. Correct me if I'm wrong. :starspin

I don't think anyone is JUST taking his word for it. That is a silly notion because it sort of implies that you think scouts, GMs and coaches are just taking his word on it. Dallas may have been the team to draft him, but there were others who were interested in doing the same. If you have seen him play in college it was evident that the guy was fast.

He ranked among Washington's all-time top-10 in the 100-meter dash (10.48, eighth) and 4x100-meter relay (40.07, seventh) outdoors, and the 60-meter dash (6.80, eighth) indoors. His 100-meter best ranks third all-time among Huskies football players who have competed in track (Ja'Warren Hooker, 10.18; Sterling Hinds, 10.27).​

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

This is what I started a thread on about 2 weeks ago.

We all understand Stanback is not a finished product.

But, why not let him get comfortable with several plays during the game, and then let him expand on it every week?

For example, let Stanback run a fly route, use him possibly on a reverse (or fake reverse), maybe on a pass out of the backfield as a gadget play, and a deep post route (utilizing his speed) to start with. And then in a couple of weeks later, put in 2-3 more plays for him to use in his artillery.

In any case, Garrett is very innovative, and I'm sure there many other plays he can draw up that will utilize Stanback's speed.

I hope we try to do some of this the 2nd half of the season. Let's see what happens.

you get no argument out of me...I also have been saying that since this team did not get involved in the Chambers deal we must have strongly felt Glenn would be back...if we now think that is not the case...Stanback needs to get some burn. Here is where all of these so-called football experts on this board are missing about Glenn or somebody else as another WR weapon. When you play good defenses or when you play teams in your division more than once, they will find a way to make you find other options beside TO/Witten. We have 5 division games AND we still have to see Tampa, Green Bay....and the playoffs. Glenn or someone with Glenn type talent WOULD NOT BE GRAVY! It is a necessity to reach your goals. If the Cowboys thought he was just gravy, they would have put him on IR. So I am with you that they need to get Miles or Stanback going if they plan to make a deep run in the playoffs.

 

[burmafrd]

One MEDIOT- just ONE- is saying Glenn won't be back. That means NOTHING.

 

[DCBoysfan]

Maybe he can be ready for the palyoffs and least give us another weapon.