MacMahon: Cowboys considering cutting Adams

FuzzyLumpkins;3291753 said:
The only times Jerry is coy is with trades and the draft. He does not mince words about players contracts.

Not when they're negotiating for one, but he's never going to come out and say he's going to cut a player because of finances even though that's obvious the case. Never did it with Troy, Deion, Emmitt, for example, and those guys were the best of the best. Hell, he didn't do it with Greg Ellis and there isn't a more obvious case than his.

But, dont' take it from me. Just name ANY other good reason why FLO should be cut at this point in time ?
 
Randy White;3291728 said:
A) he's not lying

B) Because those who've been a Cowboys fan at least since 1989 are used to " Jerrah speak " by now.



Almost every expert you've listened to is not named Jerry Jones and when it comes to labor issue, there isn't a bigger expert than him. Look, listen, to what Jerrah is saying beyond the words reporters are printing.

There might well be a lockout, it's not 100% guaranteed that there will NOT be one. However, when Jerrah starts throwing out nuggets like this out to the public, it's time to start thinking ahead of the curb.

For almost a year I kept saying that we should wait to see what the Cowboys are going to do this off-season when it comes to contracts like FLO, Hamlin, Barbarian..etc.. What the Cowboys will do with those contracts will be a big indication on how strict the next CBA is going to be. This article is just the first shot across the bow. It wouldn't shock me if others like this follow in the upcoming weeks, after the new NFL year starts on March 5th.

Of course Jerry does not want a lockout. He has a new stadium to pay for. The problem, as I understand it, is that the owners are all over the place on what they want. The owners that are not gazillionaires have multiple issues with the ones that are. Nothing will happen regarding the CBA until the owners get together and figure out what will be workable for them. Then the negotiations will start with the union. The players are getting about 60% of the revenue right now and the smaller owners are not happy about it at all. How revenue is shared among the owners is also a major debate. I think it is very likely there will be a lock out.

I also believe Jerry when he says the decisions about players will not be about money. I don't think Jerry was speaking in some secret code only the "good fans" can understand. Still not sure how you arrived at the exact opposite of what Jerry said.

ps Ellis was not cut due to a huge contract. Where in the world did you get that?
 
GimmeTheBall!;3291784 said:
If true, then bravo.

Spencer has to step up a lot or say goodbye. Roy has to swallow his pride and contract down the road and be a No. 3 or git out.

Whats your beef with Spencer? He was one of the most consistent players on the team last year. There are not many rational reason to dislike him the way you seem too.
 
JBond;3291794 said:
Randy White;3291728 said:
Of course Jerry does not want a lockout. He has a new stadium to pay for. The problem, as I understand it, is that the owners are all over the place on what they want. The owners that are not gazillionaires have multiple issues with the ones that are. Nothing will happen regarding the CBA until the owners get together and figure out what will be workable for them. Then the negotiations will start with the union. The players are getting about 60% of the revenue right now and the smaller owners are not happy about it at all. How revenue is shared among the owners is also a major debate. I think it is very likely there will be a lock out.

This is not about Jerrah's wishes. Jerrah doesn't make business decisions based on his wishes. He makes them based on what he's looking at and projecting the future. Once again, if he's starting to look at contracts like FLO, raise your antenna and pay attention towards the new CBA and salary cap.

None of the things you mentioned there are false or undeniable. However, that doesn't mean they are hurdles that either cannot be passed or haven't been passed already.

You didn't give enough credit to one of your statement, which I think IS the biggest obstacle in this negotiations: How revenue is shared among the owners

This is the REAL reason for a lockout, only since owners cannot lock each other out, they do it to the players. The lockout is a message/threat to the bigger revenue teams ( Dallas, NE, NY..etc ) from the smaller revenue teams ( Pitt, Jax, KC, Buffalo..etc ) that if they don't expand the revenue sharing pie, there could be NO pie at all.

Of course, this is a kamikaze like strategy since NO pie means " nothing " for anybody and the NFL, certainly, does not want to go there, especially during this economic times ( try telling the public to understand why billionaires are locking out millionaires ), so more than likely the owners are going to be together before long, if they're not already. Once that happens, the rest of the negotiations are going to be easier. Not " easy ", but easier.

I also believe Jerry when he says the decisions about players will not be about money. I don't think Jerry was speaking in some secret code only the "good fans" can understand. Still not sure how you arrived at the exact opposite of what Jerry said.

First of all, get the " good fans " out of that statement. I didn't call anybody a " good fan " or a " bad fan ". I said that, to those who have been fans since at least 1989, know what Jerry speak is and this is a perfect example of it.

Jerrah is never going to say he's cutting a player because of finances, even if it is. Hasn't done it anytime I can remember. In FLO's case, I don't see any other reason BUT finaces ( and I'm talking about future, not present ) to cut him.
 
JBond;3291807 said:
Whats your beef with Spencer? He was one of the most consistent players on the team last year. There are not many rational reason to dislike him the way you seem too.

I agree. I don't get the Spencer hate. The dude played very well last year and really started turning it on down the stretch. I was very pleased with Spencer last year.
 
I don't know if you guys saw what I saw against Minnesota, but Flozell Adams was manhandling Jared Allen.

I wouldn't cut him just yet.
 
I only have one thing to say about the Flo situation. If you cut your starting LT, you'd better be pretty damn sure about his replacement. Either that or in our casae, you'd better be pretty damn sure about Kitna. I'm not saying one way or another in regards to Flo. I'm just saying a team that believes it is set to make a Super Bowl run better not make the wrong decision regarding its starting LT. They'd better be pretty sure.
 
So, who is starting at LT? Doug Free? We do not have a viable replacement on the current roster, there are no better options available in FA, and a starting-caliber LT for this year will not fall to us in the 1st round. We are stuck with him for now.
 
Mavs Man;3292527 said:
So, who is starting at LT? Doug Free? We do not have a viable replacement on the current roster, there are no better options available in FA, and a starting-caliber LT for this year will not fall to us in the 1st round. We are stuck with him for now.

Unless Flo falls off quite a bit from last year, I think he has to be back. Like I posted earlier, you don't want to take chances with your LT if you think you can make a run at the Super Bowl. Can Free be next year's starting LT? Don't know, but the front office and coaching staff better make sure he can before they cut Flo. Even if Free is ready, who would be our backup? Brewster? He's basically going to be a rookie since he missed pretty much everything last year. Another rookie that we draft this year? Do we really want to rely on a rookie if Free or even Columbo go down? In a year when we aspire to win the Super Bowl? Personally, I think we've made a mistake the past year or two by not drafting an tackle in the first or second round.
 
Star4Ever;3292552 said:
Unless Flo falls off quite a bit from last year, I think he has to be back. Like I posted earlier, you don't want to take chances with your LT if you think you can make a run at the Super Bowl. Can Free be next year's starting LT? Don't know, but the front office and coaching staff better make sure he can before they cut Flo. Even if Free is ready, who would be our backup? Brewster? He's basically going to be a rookie since he missed pretty much everything last year. Another rookie that we draft this year? Do we really want to rely on a rookie if Free or even Columbo go down? In a year when we aspire to win the Super Bowl? Personally, I think we've made a mistake the past year or two by not drafting an tackle in the first or second round.

Cut Colombo!!! At least Flozell could slide over to RT if they REALLY wanted Free to play LT. Colombo is a one position player who is coming back from injury and has peaked as a player.
 
I don't think anyone can judge Columbo by how he played after he came back from his injury. He is a big guy that isn't exactly the quickest tackle in the game to begin with. He basically stepped right back into the starting role immediately after his injury. Not very fair to judge him on that. I think he'll be O.K. this year. He's not over the hill just yet. He's a tough guy (probably toughest on the team) that gets the job done with effort and grit. We need those kind of players on the team.
 
Some of you guys seem to think we can cut one or both of our starting tackles and just plug someone else in to take over without missing a beat. Newsflash!!!!!! It doesn't work that way, especially on the o line. I know we need to get younger, but you can't just cut starters and put a rookie in his place. Not if you want to finish the season with your starting QB under center.
 
BraveHeartFan;3291825 said:
I agree. I don't get the Spencer hate. The dude played very well last year and really started turning it on down the stretch. I was very pleased with Spencer last year.
I'm trying to figure that out too.
 
I wouldn't be to comfortable going into the season without Flozell if we don't have a proven replacement :banghead:

We saw the offense without him in the vikings game, it wasn't pretty
 
TheSport78;3292553 said:
Cut Colombo!!! At least Flozell could slide over to RT if they REALLY wanted Free to play LT. Colombo is a one position player who is coming back from injury and has peaked as a player.
I was not pleased with Colombo after the Minnesota game, but he was still injured and due to a poor decision by the staff, he should not have been playing. But he should not be cut any more than Adams should.

And why is it assumed that Adams could just drift over to right tackle like it is not a problem asking him to flop sides after a decade on the weak side? Playing left and right tackle are two different things. Even young players have a tough time making the transition let alone a veteran.
 
It would be BEYOND stupid to cut one of only 3 tackles we have that we know can play. Cut one then one gets injured like last year or like when we lost the Hotel due to injury for the season, and the season could go into the toilet real fast.
 

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