Mailbag: trade down from 12 to add picks

[big dog cowboy]

Every team is thinking the exact same thing. Nobody wants to trade up in a draft where you have a few studs at the top and then 35 guys who are almost interchangeable in regard to draft position with depth through round 3.

It's the same situation every year.

Just last year the Cowboys traded down from 24 to 29.

 

[Mikemcm]

I'm in the minority to trade up......So tired of the "Oh we gotta trade down....Need more picks" crowd. Wake up people......We got more picks than we know what to do with. 10 draft picks aren't making this roster. We need impact players....Not Quantity.

I agree it would be stupid to trade down. We need a impact RB or wr. Trade up and get Jeanty. Take a risk for once.

 

[plasticman]

You still believe that story? That was debunked around here a little while ago. Jerry played into it for the publicity. Quid pro quo for his media buddies.

Never debunked. Confirmed by his own words. Don't believe the revision efforts.

While it's true that there was never any physical father/son confrontation between them, Jerry definitely wanted Manziel but submitted to the vast majority who wanted Martin.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jerry-jones-was-that-close-to-drafting-johnny-manziel/

“But Manziel is special. I know him personally. I know that he is going to be a success in the National Football League, and it was a hard decision. And it is one that I will probably have for the rest of my career think about.”

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...icism-of-cowboys-not-drafting-johnny-manziel/

"I'll never forget that morning," recalls Stephen. "Jerry said, 'Let's go through the [prospects] again, make sure we all see eye to eye on how we've got 'em ranked.'" If Manziel was still there at 16, the patriarch added, "I assume we'd take him--wouldn't we?"

https://www.nfl.com/news/jerry-jones-damn-mad-about-missing-johnny-manziel-0ap3000000387284

"I'm still so damn mad at Stephen," Jones exclaimed. "... I get madder, every day, about missin' (Manziel)."

"I listened to everybody," Jones said, "... and I'm ... not ... happy ..."

"There's only one thing I wanna say -- I'd have never bought the Cowboys had I made the kinda decision that I just made right now," Jones explained to Stephen. "You need to drive across the water rather than lay up. And we laid up for this one. ... We just didn't get here makin' this kind of decision."

Years after the fact, it was Jerry who wanted to trade Herschel Walker. It was Jerry who traded for Charles Haley. And now.....

https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/...best-decision-zack-martin-over-johnny-manziel

"Best 'right,' decision I've ever made," said Jerry Jones.

Jerry Jones has always believed in the theory that if you say something often enough, eventually enough people will believe it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm in the minority to trade up......So tired of the "Oh we gotta trade down....Need more picks" crowd. Wake up people......We got more picks than we know what to do with. 10 draft picks aren't making this roster.

We got more picks than we know what to do with???????

Yes we have 10 picks but 5 are in rounds 6 and 7. Those players only have a 5% chance of making the 53. No bueno!

Trading up is a horrible idea. The Cowboys aren't one player away. They need to trade down like they did last year. They got Guyton and Beebe with the 24th pick. that is how you work the draft.

 

[shabazz]

When a team doesn't get TRUE starting quality free agents regularly, getting as many picks as possible is almost mandatory

 

[Whirlwin]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mailbag-trade-down-from-no-12-to-add-picks

I know this had been discussed. But here are a few answers from Nick Eatmam and Kurt Daniels.
They give a few different opinions and explain why about trading down, may not be the thing to do.

Nick explains, it comes down to players on your board with 1st round draft grades.

If we’re going for a wide receiver, and that’s what we really want, trade down is smart. There’s not much difference between the first and the fourth overall talent. If jentry is there, we’ll take him . That’s the only scenario I don’t see us trading down, we might even trade up.

 

[Whirlwin]

We got more picks than we know what to do with???????

Yes we have 10 picks but 5 are in rounds 6 and 7. Those players only have a 5% chance of making the 53. No bueno!

Trading up is a horrible idea. The Cowboys aren't one player away. They need to trade down like they did last year. They got Guyton and Beebe with the 24th pick. that is how you work the draft.

Depth, depth depth

 

[Creeper]

I think the point might be moot because no one will want to trade up. And think about that. If this class is so loaded with first round guys, why would no one be interested in trading up?

This draft has some good players but not many that knock your socks off. On the other hand, there are several positions that are deep and having more day 2 picks might yield more talent that standing pat on day 1.

But, it all depends on who is left when Dallas picks at 12.

 

[jazzcat22]

Jerry Jones has always believed in the theory that if you say something often enough, eventually enough people will believe it.

This kind of sounds like some on here, negative and positive.

 

[big dog cowboy]

When a team doesn't get TRUE starting quality free agents regularly, getting as many picks as possible is almost mandatory

Almost?

 

[jazzcat22]

I think the point might be moot because no one will want to trade up. And think about that. If this class is so loaded with first round guys, why would no one be interested in trading up?

This draft has some good players but not many that knock your socks off. On the other hand, there are several positions that are deep and having more day 2 picks might yield more talent that standing pat on day 1.

But, it all depends on who is left when Dallas picks at 12.

Since premiums are always placed on QB's. If there is one of the top 3 at pick 12, some team like the Steelers may trade up.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Never debunked. Confirmed by his own words. Don't believe the revision efforts.

There is your issue...you're actually believing what Jerry says.

 

[Miller]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mailbag-trade-down-from-no-12-to-add-picks

I know this had been discussed. But here are a few answers from Nick Eatmam and Kurt Daniels.
They give a few different opinions and explain why about trading down, may not be the thing to do.

Nick explains, it comes down to players on your board with 1st round draft grades.

This is interesting and I agree with not moving down. Was just listening to Sturm on Ticket. He was talking about how 2/3 the teams are trying to trade down and we have no 4th so really 3 picks to fill WR/RB/DT/CB. RB is deep and our top hits at WR/RB are probably gone at 12 but you still can get a CB with that pick. So then you have probably a good shot at RB in 2nd or 3rd so you take WR or DT with 2 and RB with 3. This made total sense to me. Only issue is if all your first round grades are gone at 12 and there is a drop of another top player teams covet..then you can move or have that chance

 

[Coogiguy03]

We got more picks than we know what to do with???????

Yes we have 10 picks but 5 are in rounds 6 and 7. Those players only have a 5% chance of making the 53. No bueno!

Trading up is a horrible idea. The Cowboys aren't one player away. They need to trade down like they did last year. They got Guyton and Beebe with the 24th pick. that is how you work the draft.

Trading up is NOT a bad idea, it's a bad idea to do it in the 1st round!! If we're in round 5 and want to go up a little using a 6th or 7th wouldn't hurt us!

 

[big dog cowboy]

Trading up is NOT a bad idea, it's a bad idea to do it in the 1st round!! If we're in round 5 and want to go up a little using a 6th or 7th wouldn't hurt us!

The only trading up the Cowboys should consider is on day 3. They don't need 5 picks in the 6th and 7th. Unfortunately, those picks are dang near worthless.

204+211+217+239+247= only one of the last 5 picks in the 5th round is all. 170-180 range. Would you really want to give up those 5 picks to move up from 204 to 174? Just 30 spots?

 

[DFWJC]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mailbag-trade-down-from-no-12-to-add-picks

I know this had been discussed. But here are a few answers from Nick Eatmam and Kurt Daniels.
They give a few different opinions and explain why about trading down, may not be the thing to do.

Nick explains, it comes down to players on your board with 1st round draft grades.

Ol Nick giving amazing insight there.

Duh!

 

[Coogiguy03]

The only trading up the Cowboys should consider is on day 3. They don't need 5 picks in the 6th and 7th. Unfortunately, those picks are dang near worthless.

204+211+217+239+247= only one of the last 5 picks in the 5th round is all. 170-180 range. Would you really want to give up those 5 picks to move up from 204 to 174? Just 30 spots?

no we can move up in the 6th or 7th where it really wouldn't hurt that bad, maybe there's a guy that fell from round 5 into the 6th! Maybe we can find some special teams depth

 

[fivetwos]

They need to trade back significantly and stockpile future picks within a certain time frame which can potentially open a window to at least go a little further in the playoffs.

Of course Jerry and son think they are close to winning it all every year, so that won’t be happening.

Drafting a star in the first round at even a 70% hit rate and saving your pennies from day one to sign them years later isn’t working, and will NEVER be enough..…but don’t try to tell them that. These are people that believe the 30 year thing doesn’t qualify as a drought.

 

[DFWJC]

Probably 50 people on this site know as much as the local writers about the draft

But it never hurts to hear what folks have to say.

I think many of us know that you draft by talent tiers.

Sometimes there are big gaps between the tiers, sometimes not as much.

If you ran out of players you want in the highest tier remaining, the Football Draft 101 rule is to look to trade down.
OR the highest tier has a ton of players that you like equally, you can do a small trade down and still get one while adding extra picks....like Dallas did last year

If there's a player or players in the highest tier remaining still available but you are too low to get one (the tier will run dry before your pick comes up) then you may consider a trade up.

 

[FanofJerry]

Every team is thinking the exact same thing. Nobody wants to trade up in a draft where you have a few studs at the top and then 35 guys who are almost interchangeable in regard to draft position with depth through round 3.

But but but draft value chart says thus or that

It doesn't adjust for the market?

Something is smelly here