Mailbag: What Does Frederick Pick Mean For Costa, Guards?

[CF74]

You can't be serious...

You don't get it dude. I'm not saying these guys are HOF's, I'm saying this is who we have and this is who they will start. Now it's possible after June 1st we might grab a vet, personally I'm hoping we get Clabo or Winston, but anything can happen.

Again I wanted more O-line upgrades through the draft but alas we took a TE with our 2nd pick, that is something I'm trying to get over even as I type this post....

Get it now?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I really would not be shocked seeing Costa at Center and Frederick at Guard. Like most my first thought was he would go to center but if Costa can show the same abilities he did in the Balt game then I could see a scenario where Fredrick would be starting G next to Tyron Smith that could really strengthen that side of the line.

I understand there are some here who think we should replace all 4 of those OL in one offseason, but Frederick was drafted as a center, and as a rookie he should be plugged in there for the next decade to learn the position rather than moving him around.

The other guys should be moved around Frederick at center, not the other way around, as he has the most talent and he is a rookie who needs to just learn one position at this point. A guy like Costa shouldn't make us move Frederick, and I know you meant you wouldn't be shocked, but that move would be a bad one.

 

[Bowdown27]

I really hope Leary beats out either livings or Bernadeu. I really don't want to go into this season with them back on the line.

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand there are some here who think we should replace all 4 of those OL in one offseason, but Frederick was drafted as a center, and as a rookie he should be plugged in there for the next decade to learn the position rather than moving him around.

The other guys should be moved around Frederick at center, not the other way around, as he has the most talent and he is a rookie who needs to just learn one position at this point. A guy like Costa shouldn't make us move Frederick, and I know you meant you wouldn't be shocked, but that move would be a bad one.

No when Dallas selected him they said they did not know if it would be center or guard. People are assuming he will start at Center but from the team that has not been established. He excelled at both position so it is a possiablity.

 

[Doomsday101]

So will the 6-foot-3 5/8, 320-ish-pound Frederick begin his NFL career at guard or center? That’s something the coaches need to determine as quickly as possible after full-team offseason workouts begin next month.

“We’re going to put a base in there where you don’t have a knock-back issue,” Jones said. “[Offensive coordinator] Bill Callahan is a big center guy. After your left tackle, he likes the center position as far as the best players on the offensive line. Well, we’ve got Costa. We’re pretty proud of Costa, frankly. Well, can this guy play guard? You bet he can.”

Added head coach Jason Garrett: “Because he has position flex and has played a full season at either spot, we feel good about maybe plugging him in at either spot and having him compete with the guys on our roster. We haven’t made that determination right now. We like competition, as you guys know, and he’ll certainly be very much in the mix.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4707836/jerry-on-travis-frederick-he-will-start

 

[TheSport78]

You are wrong about your perception of me but then again you're the one in denial about what the coaches/scouts/pundits already know..

So now you've changed your argument...care to elaborate on what the coaches/scouts/pundits "know" about Livings, Bernadeau and the OL?

 

[TheSport78]

How does "Hope" equate to knowing these guys are going to be all world? I see reading comprehension is not your strength...

Carry on...

I also "hoped" Torrin Tucker would be solid at left tackle.

You don't get it dude. I'm not saying these guys are HOF's, I'm saying this is who we have and this is who they will start. Now it's possible after June 1st we might grab a vet, personally I'm hoping we get Clabo or Winston, but anything can happen.

Again I wanted more O-line upgrades through the draft but alas we took a TE with our 2nd pick, that is something I'm trying to get over even as I type this post....

Get it now?

I never said you thought they were HOF'ers, but you implied that the organization knows what they're doing and we should just shut up and take their word for it. Livings and Bernadeau were injured last year, so obviously they're going to be the starters at guard and they "deserve" another shot. THEY DON'T DESERVE ANYTHING. We have competition at safety, linebacker, wide receiver, tight end, etc. I really hope the Cowboys do the same with the OL.

We shouldn't question what they're doing, especially when they haven't been able to supply a solid offensive line for almost 5 years.

If the Cowboys were SERIOUS about putting an upgraded OL on the field, they would've signed OG Brandon Moore and OT Tyson Clabo.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

No when Dallas selected him they said they did not know if it would be center or guard. People are assuming he will start at Center but from the team that has not been established. He excelled at both position so it is a possiablity.

Well I guess my thought is I would rather build an OL around a LT and a center like the Jets and Browns have done, more than any other positions on the OL. If Costa can beat out Frederick for center (which would be sad), then let him have the spot. But if Frederick beats him out, then he should be the center and not moved cause we don't have anything at guard.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well I guess my thought is I would rather build an OL around a LT and a center like the Jets and Browns have done, more than any other positions on the OL. If Costa can beat out Frederick for center (which would be sad), then let him have the spot. But if Frederick beats him out, then he should be the center and not moved cause we don't have anything at guard.

I would like to have a strong side to run to if that means Smith, Frederick and Costa then great. I'm not as down on Costa as others, does not mean I think he is a sure thing but if he can show good play at center then it helps Dallas a great deal in establishing a left side that we can get in and run behind

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I would like to have a strong side to run to if that means Smith, Frederick and Costa then great. I'm not as down on Costa as others, does not mean I think he is a sure thing but if he can show good play at center then it helps Dallas a great deal in establishing a left side that we can get in and run behind

Frederick is strong for the center spot as a rookie probably, at guard he would be more on the average side in that realm. I guess it comes down to who you want to sit down, but I'm also looking at it long term. Long term, I just like Frederick more at center for this team to build around, and I would hate to stunt his growth at that position cause of Costa.

 

[CF74]

So now you've changed your argument...care to elaborate on what the coaches/scouts/pundits "know" about Livings, Bernadeau and the OL?

I haven't changed anything, you are the one misrepresenting what I've been saying and labeling me, "The type of fan Jerry loves."

I also "hoped" Torrin Tucker would be solid at left tackle.



I never said you thought they were HOF'ers, but you implied that the organization knows what they're doing and we should just shut up and take their word for it. Livings and Bernadeau were injured last year, so obviously they're going to be the starters at guard and they "deserve" another shot. THEY DON'T DESERVE ANYTHING. We have competition at safety, linebacker, wide receiver, tight end, etc. I really hope the Cowboys do the same with the OL.

We shouldn't question what they're doing, especially when they haven't been able to supply a solid offensive line for almost 5 years.

If the Cowboys were SERIOUS about putting an upgraded OL on the field, they would've signed OG Brandon Moore and OT Tyson Clabo.

I never said "Deserved," and I never said "Shut up and take it."

Oh you didn't like the HOF comment? Sucks to be misquoted eh?

Ok why don't you re-read the entire thread so you can get a clue, or perhaps I should repeat myself and give you a summary? Take a deep breath dude I want a better O-line to, I've been obsessed with it for a long long time.

I have merely predicted who will start and I've suggested that we don't have a true gauge as to what we have on the O-line due to an unprecedented rash of injuries and that I'm not alone in believing who will be the starters.

Never once said these guys are the best, take it and shut up, or any of that other nonsense you've misrepresented about me. You read into what I said all wrong and your fears have surfaced through your emotions....

Yes Clabo/Winston or bust........

 

[Doomsday101]

Frederick is strong for the center spot as a rookie probably, at guard he would be more on the average side in that realm. I guess it comes down to who you want to sit down, but I'm also looking at it long term. Long term, I just like Frederick more at center for this team to build around, and I would hate to stunt his growth at that position cause of Costa.

He has shown he can play both spots I don't think having him start off a Guard then moving to Center later as a big deal the guy is smart that is why he was able to shift with no problems at Wis.

I think if you are weak at G then it really does not matter who is at Center. I want to get the top 5 players on that line so that we can start executing as an offense. I really hope to see guys like Leary step up and would like to see a FA tackle brought in

Let me also say I'm not opposed to him playing center I just want to get the best 5 guys out there to help open some running lanes and protect Romo.

 

[Idgit]

Roll my eyes at the idea that the offense was so good at any time last year. Romo was playing out of his mind at time- like he did in 2011- and THAT is the main reason the offense was doing pretty good.

That IN SPITE of the O line.

You somehow expect romo to play like god all the time. Guess what- NO ONE can keep up that kind of pace when he is on the run half the time and NO RUNNING GAME to take up the slack.

Romo's a very good QB. I do expect him to play very well all the time, yes.

But, I'm also in favor of upgraded C and RT play, if we can. I've said all along that the OL needs to be addressed. At OG, I'd also be looking seriously at bringing in Brandon Moore. Not because I think RG was the problem that RT or C was last year, but because I think he represents a value upgrade who's familiar with what Callahan is trying to do, so he makes sense.

I'm *not* saying we shouldn't be trying to upgrade our pass protection. I am saying that a lot of people around here are making a much bigger deal about the OG problems than is necessary, and that the limitations we're working with when it comes to upgrading RT are real.

 

[jnday]

They were playing INJURED kiddies......

Dallas Cowboys starting right guard Mackenzy Bernadeau underwent surgery on his right shoulder.

"But, obviously, we paid Bernadeau and [guard Nate] Livings. They had to move around and weren't healthy a lot of the year."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...ernadeau-alex-albright-dallas-cowboys-surgery

Do we need to quote multiple articles?

*Look Water*

*Drink horsie*

:laugh2:

Bernadeau couldn't keep a starting job with the Panthers. Livings was the worst starter on the Bengal's line and the Bengal fans were glad to see him go. Both of these guys are short on talent. Injured or not, they are not quality linemen.

 

[CF74]

Bernadeau couldn't keep a starting job with the Panthers. Livings was the worst starter on the Bengal's line and the Bengal fans were glad to see him go. Both of these guys are short on talent. Injured or not, they are not quality linemen.

I hear ya and I hope you're wrong...

Who knows maybe the young cats can step up and beat one or both of them out for a starting role. Maybe Costa might start over Bernadeau...

 

[john van brocklin]

Being dead serious:

Jerry, is that you?

:laugh2: