Major earthquake hits Japan followed by tsunami

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kristie;3872477 said:
4.5 earthquake hit hawaii!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

just heard it right now on fox news.

Oooof. One of the reactors in Japan, they've lost the ability to cool one of the reactor cores down. This might be being overblown, but that's no bueno if they can't get the control rods down and the core temp keeps increasing. That causes a steam explosion, which is what happened in Prypiat.

That said, Chernobyl's reactors were some old designs, and seven different safety protocols failed before it went critical.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3872478 said:
I was just running through a few sites, USGS, and such, and Alaska might get a few inches to a few feet. The angle of the actual quake is shooting almost directly across the Pacific. A wave front moves in a semi-circle, which we've all seen when a rock is tossed into water. Concentric rings radiate out from the impact zone. In this case, because of the type and direction of the quakes and aftershocks, the wave front is pretty concentrated energy within a narrow range, with Baja Mexico and Alaska getting pretty weak effects.

that's good to know. i seriously thought i was going to freak out there for a moment.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3872471 said:
Bass ackwards. ;) But also right on the money. The amount of water displaced has to be displaced a certain way, which means there are degrees of efficiencies of conversion from water displacement to wave formation.

The energy released from the quake itself that gets converted to wave energy will determine how much water gets displaced by the event. The conversion of quake energy released to wave energy traveling in the water column is dependent on depth of the quake, type of rock structure, as well as type of the quake. IIRC, depth is second most important behind type, and rock structure really only comes into play in coastal regions where tsunami formation isn't that probable. The San Francisco quake was so damaging because a lot of San Fran sits on unstable soil. Its like when you "pat" sand on the shoreline to the point it liquifies. Same thing happened in San Francisco. The waves of that particular quake caused "liquefaction" of the subsoil layers.

Type:

A strike/slip fault earthquake in which the ocean floor slides laterally usually doesn't (usually being the operative word) have the same effect as a subduction fault where the ocean floor actually jumps upwards. IIRC, the Indonesia quake epicenter caused the ocean floor to jump both upwards by about 6-8 meters and slide laterally about the same amount. The jump of the ocean floor is what caused that bad boy to do the damage it actually did.

Think about having two bricks underwater in a swimming pool. Move them past each pretty quick about 3 feet under water, and not much happens. Now take one of those bricks and push it three foot to the surface, from three foot down. That produces a lot of displacement energy upwards, which is a more efficient quake to wave motion conversion process.

Now strike slip lateral quakes can be devastating as well, but it really matters how the fault is aligned to nearby land masses.

EDIT: Calling it "wave energy/mass" isn't a good way to describe it. It's simply wave energy, there is no mass. There are only two water masses that move: directly above the quake, and it really doesn't go anywhere per se, and the water on the coastal areas where the underwater wave height begins to interact with the ocean floor.

Second edit: There are two uses of the word "wave" that will get confusing. "Wave" energy isn't a surface "wave" like you're thinking of. Its the sinusoidal movement of energy, that travels in waves. When it gets close to shore, do you ever begin to see the actual surface "wave" that surfers ride, but that is actually the wave energy pushing the water up. The energy wave propagated at the event epicenter offshore shows no surface wave, until it nears shore. I read this again, and I can see where that could be confusing to some.

Neato. :)
 

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kristie;3872486 said:

Meh, it's a precautionary thing. Like I said, there were so many layers of safety protocols that had to be overridden at Chernobyl that it was like they were trying to get the damn thing to go supercritical, and that plant was an ooooooold design.
 

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Just watched some video from BBC, it looked like creeping death.
Prayers for the people of Japan.
 

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Warick;3872457 said:
That is insane.. A friend of mine called me said he watched video of the tsunami coming in, and taking out an airport, washing away planes, everything. 8.9 is crazy. Warnings issued all over the place including the West Coast. I'm sure Hawaii will be hit pretty hard.

RIP to the victims..

Holy Smoke!!!!! That is so CRAZY!!! AND Very Sad:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 

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Romo 2 Austin;3872497 said:
Catastrophic, and the effect on the global economic recovery will be aswell[/QUOTE]

Highly doubtful. A large demonstration in Bahrain is going to affect the markets more than this will.
 

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Wow. 8.9 is huge. I was watching video of it this morning on the news. The tsunami was devastating. Amazing that they are only saying 30 something dead thus far.

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From listening to the news reports it sounds as if that Nuclear Plant is in serious trouble.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3872469 said:
Of note, was tsunami waves come close to shore, the sea will retreat as the energy waves stacks offshore, causing water to run back towards it. Some of the Indonesian tsunami footage showed fairly extensive beaches with no water on them for hundreds of meters offshore.

That's the problem .. the water pulls back then returns.

Another issue is when the shores provide a gradual incline from the ocean. Most people think about the ocean and other bodies of water being in 90 degree angle craters, meaning no incline. Those kinds of waves would carry a constant force much as you would see in a swimming pool wave that overlaps the edge. When you combine that with a slow gradual incline, it amplifies the damage it can cause.

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I have a friend stationed in Okinawa.

Here's to hoping I hear from him today. Many other friends in Hawaii but they live inland.
 

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I've been watching this since 1am in the morning before the tsunami came in. It was one of the worst sites seeing a calm beach and having the helicopter camera pan to the ocean and see this gigantic wave gaining ground. watch al jazzera english. way better news coverage than anything american based. Funny thing is I had a lucid dream about it. Basically, i was near a beach somewhere and it was Rob Ryan and I in the house. We survived. :laugh2:
 

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My sister lived and taught english in Tagajo City in Miyagi Prefecture in 2005. 2 miles from the coast. All that video they've been showing of the wave of debris on fire, etc? Yeah, that's basically it. She's been calling her host family and some friends still there and can't find anyone.
 

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why would that boat be there ? I would be getting out of there....
 
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