Make or break for these big contracts...

[AbeBeta]

I see several guys on this team at a serious crossroads. These guys have big contracts that are going to get them cut if they don't pick it up. Instead of using cap space to bring in hot UFAs, we will likely end up using it to absorb accelerated bonus money for cutting some or more of these player

1. Marion Barber - If he has a 2009 like 2008, he is gone. Can't justify mega mill a year for such limited production.

2. Terence Newman - If he fails to remain healthy again this year, his career is likely over here.

3. Flozell Adams - No heir apparent here but if he continues his middle of the pack play, we'll focus on LT in the draft.

4. Ken Hamlin - He'd better start playing like every year is a contract year... because pretty much it is from here on out.

 

[NeonNinja]

I see several guys on this team at a serious crossroads. These guys have big contracts that are going to get them cut if they don't pick it up. Instead of using cap space to bring in hot UFAs, we will likely end up using it to absorb accelerated bonus money for cutting some or more of these player

1. Marion Barber - If he has a 2009 like 2008, he is gone. Can't justify mega mill a year for such limited production.

2. Terence Newman - If he fails to remain healthy again this year, his career is likely over here.

3. Flozell Adams - No heir apparent here but if he continues his middle of the pack play, we'll focus on LT in the draft.

4. Ken Hamlin - He'd better start playing like every year is a contract year... because pretty much it is from here on out.

I agree with all four but I could see Newman staying more than the other three. I think we want to get Choice and Felix the ball alot so it could open up to us doing something with Barber after this season.

 

[Yeagermeister]

The only two I agree with are Flozell and Hamlin.

 

[AbeBeta]

The only two I agree with are Flozell and Hamlin.

You mean the "duh" ones?

 

[Aikbach]

I don't think Dallas will actively seek to trade Barber, Choice is a more natural trade option.

 

[Tovya]

I see several guys on this team at a serious crossroads. These guys have big contracts that are going to get them cut if they don't pick it up. Instead of using cap space to bring in hot UFAs, we will likely end up using it to absorb accelerated bonus money for cutting some or more of these player

1. Marion Barber - If he has a 2009 like 2008, he is gone. Can't justify mega mill a year for such limited production.

2. Terence Newman - If he fails to remain healthy again this year, his career is likely over here.

3. Flozell Adams - No heir apparent here but if he continues his middle of the pack play, we'll focus on LT in the draft.

4. Ken Hamlin - He'd better start playing like every year is a contract year... because pretty much it is from here on out.

I agree on Adams and Hamlin, but not on the others.

Barber wasn't dynamic last season, but he had a good season still. Injuries to him and the Jones both affected his play and numbers, and assuming that both guys remain healthy this season (knock on wood) he's nearly guaranteed to be better.

As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be shocked to see his numbers dip this season--but the quality of his carries should improve. All three back will get a fair share of carries this year... and they are all good, and there are only so many carries to go around.

Newman isn't going anywhere either. The only way such a conversation would be considered would be if he had some serious career threatening injury arise, or if Scandrick and Jenkins are really just so dominating it makes us sick.

 

[ShiningStar]

I see several guys on this team at a serious crossroads. These guys have big contracts that are going to get them cut if they don't pick it up. Instead of using cap space to bring in hot UFAs, we will likely end up using it to absorb accelerated bonus money for cutting some or more of these player

1. Marion Barber - If he has a 2009 like 2008, he is gone. Can't justify mega mill a year for such limited production.

2. Terence Newman - If he fails to remain healthy again this year, his career is likely over here.

3. Flozell Adams - No heir apparent here but if he continues his middle of the pack play, we'll focus on LT in the draft.

4. Ken Hamlin - He'd better start playing like every year is a contract year... because pretty much it is from here on out.

I dont think I agree with any of these. Marion Barber played hurt and played with heart and didnt give up even when the team did. See the Cardinal and Philly game, except for his fumbles last season, i expect a big forward surge from him.

Newman is Newman and its getting boring explaining this to people. I'll see Qb's attack anyone opposite Newman. They will do it again this year. When its thrown his side, he does a great job and plays real well. No reason to keep bringing him up everytime someone with a job to write about football but doesnt understand football brings him up and bashes on him because of lack of interceptions.

Flozell played with a bad hand and Houck really didnt have command of the offensive line, that was evident.

Hamlin gets a pass because Brian Stewart was that bad.

 

[LandryFan]

I see several guys on this team at a serious crossroads. These guys have big contracts that are going to get them cut if they don't pick it up. Instead of using cap space to bring in hot UFAs, we will likely end up using it to absorb accelerated bonus money for cutting some or more of these player

1. Marion Barber - If he has a 2009 like 2008, he is gone. Can't justify mega mill a year for such limited production.

2. Terence Newman - If he fails to remain healthy again this year, his career is likely over here.

3. Flozell Adams - No heir apparent here but if he continues his middle of the pack play, we'll focus on LT in the draft.

4. Ken Hamlin - He'd better start playing like every year is a contract year... because pretty much it is from here on out.

Neither Barber nor Newman are going anywhere after this year (short of catastrophic injuries). If they had off-the-field problems and played poorly, I could see it. But both are model citizens and both are high profile players with plenty of gas left in the tank.

 

[AbeBeta]

I got one more.

5. Andre Gurode. We had Max Unger on our radar in the 2nd round of the draft and traded out after he went a couple spots before our pick. If Gurode can't get his line calls or shotgun snaps in order, he could end up either on the way out or back to G.

 

[AbeBeta]

I dont think I agree with any of these. Marion Barber played hurt and played with heart and didnt give up even when the team did. See the Cardinal and Philly game, except for his fumbles last season, i expect a big forward surge from him.

He did have some great games. But he also verified the biggest criticisms leveled against him... that his outstanding performances pre-2009 were due in part to facing worn down Ds.

Newman is Newman and its getting boring explaining this to people. I'll see Qb's attack anyone opposite Newman. They will do it again this year. When its thrown his side, he does a great job and plays real well. No reason to keep bringing him up everytime someone with a job to write about football but doesnt understand football brings him up and bashes on him because of lack of interceptions.

Spare me the "you are an idiot for bringing up Newman" rant. The reason I bring up Newman is that he can't seem to stay healthy. Other than that there is zero problem with his play.

Flozell played with a bad hand and Houck really didnt have command of the offensive line, that was evident.

Older players can't stay healthy....

Hamlin gets a pass because Brian Stewart was that bad.

Hamlin continued to suck long after Stewart became the DC in name only.

 

[Tovya]

I got one more.

5. Andre Gurode. We had Max Unger on our radar in the 2nd round of the draft and traded out after he went a couple spots before our pick. If Gurode can't get his line calls or shotgun snaps in order, he could end up either on the way out or back to G.

Okay, now you are way off of this one--he's most certainly going nowhere. Gurode has his quirks, but he is one of the better centers in the league.

 

[LandryFan]

I got one more.

5. Andre Gurode. We had Max Unger on our radar in the 2nd round of the draft and traded out after he went a couple spots before our pick. If Gurode can't get his line calls or shotgun snaps in order, he could end up either on the way out or back to G.

I don't disagree with your assessment of Gurode, but I would ask who we have waiting in the wings that will give him any competition?

 

[AbeBeta]

Neither Barber nor Newman are going anywhere after this year (short of catastrophic injuries). If they had off-the-field problems and played poorly, I could see it. But both are model citizens and both are high profile players with plenty of gas left in the tank.

Gas in the tank? Sure. When you don't play a full season you are bound to have gas left in the tank

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't disagree with your assessment of Gurode, but I would ask who we have waiting in the wings that will give him any competition?

I expect the guy waiting in the wings is probably still in college.

 

[AbeBeta]

Okay, now you are way off of this one--he's most certainly going nowhere. Gurode has his quirks, but he is one of the better centers in the league.

Physically he is. But he just plain sucks at making the line calls. I expect this is one of the reasons why Philly keeps kicking our butts.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Well, other than Flo whose getting much older, I can't see Dallas cutting, or trading, all the others, in one offseason, because the cap hit would be too great.

I know there is some thought that because there supposedly won't be a cap after this year that people are just going to dump all their high priced players, who under perform, to get out of the contracts but I remember pretty clearly reading on these forums an article where there is something already in the CBA that ran out that prevents teams from being able to do that.

As I recall they put something in there to prevent the owners, if they opted out, from being able to use a cap free year to dump out of big money deals. The teams who try to do it would face penalties of some sort.


So unless that totally changes, or they come up with a New CBA that will allow them to just magically not pay any cap charges, there is no way that 3 or 4 of these guys are going to be cut, or traded, in one seasons time.

 

[Tovya]

Physically he is. But he just plain sucks at making the line calls. I expect this is one of the reasons why Philly keeps kicking our butts.

I don't disagree with the weaknesses you've stated necessarily, I'm only disagreeing with you that he is grouped in the "put up or leave" category. He's got his faults, but he's still VERY good, and it will be many years before we can even think of upgrading from him to someone else.

 

[ShiningStar]

Spare me the "you are an idiot for bringing up Newman" rant. The reason I bring up Newman is that he can't seem to stay healthy. Other than that there is zero problem with his play.



Older players can't stay healthy....



Hamlin continued to suck long after Stewart became the DC in name only.

WHoa, i did not insult you there. no need for that.


As for Hamlin, could have been the product of a couple bad choices on the staff that we dont give credit to when we choose not to understand all points of coaching.

I am not sold on Brett Maxie and I dont know if Campo had what he had when he was DC of Dallas back in the 90's.

Does Hamlin demand the pay he gets for his play, most certainly not, but he did hit on a time we needed a FS and he got paid for it, I doubt I could find anyone on his board who would turn down that money as well.

Im willing to give Hamlin the benefit of the doubt because Stewart was that bad and Philips shouldnt be playing DC/HC in my book.

 

[UnoDallas]

I got one more.

5. Andre Gurode. We had Max Unger on our radar in the 2nd round of the draft and traded out after he went a couple spots before our pick. If Gurode can't get his line calls or shotgun snaps in order, he could end up either on the way out or back to G.

you mean some one sees how bad he is besides me

 

[UnoDallas]

I don't disagree with the weaknesses you've stated necessarily, I'm only disagreeing with you that he is grouped in the "put up or leave" category. He's got his faults, but he's still VERY good, and it will be many years before we can even think of upgrading from him to someone else.

thats why Dallas was lookin at Unger ?????????

hmmmmm that sounds like a replacement to me