Make or break for these big contracts...

[AbeBeta]

so in other words you can't remember a single one last season either.

that's what I thought.

Dude, look at ANY game footage. All of his snaps are mediocre at best. You don't have to make it go over the QB's head to be a bad snap.

 

[Four]

lol, okay.

they make it to the QBs hands I am cool with it, because gurode is a hell of a blocker.

carry on.

 

[AbeBeta]

Barber - dallas will only trade him they will NOT release him. He is still young and was the heart and soul of offense when its run properly. Hasnt show to be injury prone.

Not injury prone. But what bothered me last year was that he wasn't effective game in and game out as the starter. I expected him to be less productive as the starter but going from 4.8 YPC to 3.7 YPC is really terrible.

 

[UnoDallas]

when was the last bad shotgun snap for gurode?

because I Don't remember a single one last season.

yup saw one in the rams game where BJ had to move over a yard an half to just get the ball - that was on a third down

Gurode can’t snap the ball at a level necessary to be a center on a championship team. He has the yips and fails to pull the trigger on demand. Many of our false starts are the fault of this mental defect. Worse, Gurode snaps the ball when Romo is not ready or snaps the ball over his head. Then there are the snaps that resemble a parabala – think of the arch in one half of the McDonalds sign – that is the trajectory of most of Gurode’s snaps; these are slow to reach Romo. Remember the Giant playoff loss? Gurode was terrible that game. Ever noticed how Romo has to jump so as to be better positioned to catch Gurode’s snaps? Gurode is like an auctioneer who has a stuttering problem.


Gurode’s number one job is to get the ball to Romo timely, consistently, and with authority. This Gurode is incapable of doing, He is one of the worst centers in the game for handling the ball

Gurode is a liability snapping the ball. It is fashionable in Cowboy-land to ignore this defect but my view is that Dallas will never reach the Super Bowl with a guy who can’t snap the ball consistently and competently. This defect hurts Romo, as well, because Romo has to divert his brain to Gurode’s snaps instead of to the opposing defense

http://www.blueandsilverreport.com/2007/11/18/a-win-is-a-win-is-a-win-dallas-holds-on-28-23/
A quick 29 yard opening drive ended at the Washington 32 when Andre Gurodesnapped a third down shotgun snap early and hit an unprepared Romo in the face. The ball bounced to Julius Jones, who prevented a turnover

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/1/1/705443/cowboys-autopsies-offensiv
Andre Gurode's difficulties with shot gun snaps and snap counts and the Cowboys have four linemen with efficiency issues.


Week 4: vs. St. Louis Rams 07
http://cowboys.fandome.com/video/102925/Tony-Romos-Bad-Snap-Recovery-and-Run/

Late in the 2nd quarter, Tony Romo turned a bad snap from center Andre Gurode, 33-yards behind the line of scrimmage, into a 4-yard gain for a 3rd-down conversion.




JUST GOOGLE GURODE BAD SNAPS

 

[GoBoys41]

I highly doubt any of these players are going anywhere next year regardless.

 

[AbeBeta]

I highly doubt any of these players are going anywhere next year regardless.

I doubt that you are right. I expect at least one from that list will be gone, if not 2 or 3.

 

[UnoDallas]

I highly doubt any of these players are going anywhere next year regardless.

oh I agree - but IMO we need to draft a LT -
and MBIII would be about 20 mil cheaper - because as we saw last he can't handle the load - but no Jerry jumps to fast the same with Romo could have saved 10 mil if he had waited until the end oif a season - an watch the Dec Fall

I am fine Newman an Hamlin

an Gurode has got to improve the most basic thing in football thats getting football to your QB in time - to help stop all the false starts on the line - and getting it where he wants it

 

[BrassCowboy]

Dude, look at ANY game footage. All of his snaps are mediocre at best. You don't have to make it go over the QB's head to be a bad snap.

gurode is a very good blocker, not going to get rid of him because his snaps are not giftwrapped. He struggled a little in 2007 with the snaps, but overall he is good enough there.
Gurode is not going anywhere.

 

[AbeBeta]

gurode is a very good blocker, not going to get rid of him because his snaps are not giftwrapped. He struggled a little in 2007 with the snaps, but overall he is good enough there.
Gurode is not going anywhere.

Don't know about that. He's a great physical player. If it was all about that he'd be top 5 in the league. Mentally, he sucks. Snap-wise, he sucks. I continue to be shocked that center is considered his "best" position.

As I mentioned before, his limitations strike me as the reason why we can't get over the Eagle hump.

 

[Tovya]

Not trying to knock MBIII, but Felix and Choice are more valuable to the Cowboys IMHO....

and I do think MBIII's contract makes him less valuable considering we have better talent behind him.

The talent behind him looks very very good--but there is no sense in jumping to conclusions just yet. It wasn't so long ago that he was the back coming off the bench to Julius Jones. We all screamed that he needed to be the premier back, and now that he is, I hear people now annointing Jones/Choice.

I think the 3 great options we have now is the strategy to go with...

We have the smash/grinder, the playmaker, and the mix of both. I like that setup, and I dare say we have the best running back mix in the NFL going into this season. We actually can afford to, God forbid, have an injury at the position and still compete.

A lot of teams would kill to be in our position.

 

[BrassCowboy]

The talent behind him looks very very good--but there is no sense in jumping to conclusions just yet. It wasn't so long ago that he was the back coming off the bench to Julius Jones. We all screamed that he needed to be the premier back, and now that he is, I hear people now annointing Jones/Choice.

I think the 3 great options we have now is the strategy to go with...

We have the smash/grinder, the playmaker, and the mix of both. I like that setup, and I dare say we have the best running back mix in the NFL going into this season. We actually can afford to, God forbid, have an injury at the position and still compete.

A lot of teams would kill to be in our position.

this i agree with you a 100%. I do personally believe, if utilized right, could be the best we see and have seen in the NFL for some time.

I am not one to release any of the three. Just stating within the context of this thread that if anyone MUST be released, I would see it as MBIII. But does he have to be, no.

 

[Tovya]

this i agree with you a 100%. I do personally believe, if utilized right, could be the best we see and have seen in the NFL for some time.

I am not one to release any of the three. Just stating within the context of this thread that if anyone MUST be released, I would see it as MBIII. But does he have to be, no.

I think the guy who is really in the hot seat this season is Roy Williams. He better hit 900+ yards this season, or he's toast. Actually, if Miles Austin really does finally assert himself this season, Williams may need to have a season amongst seasons to survive on this roster.

 

[cobra]

The people complaining about Barber's numbers need to buy a fricking clue.

What did you expect from him? To lead the league in rushing? WE DO NOT RUN A SINGLE BACK OFFENSE. He is not going to be an every-down 30-carry back like Emmitt Smith AND WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE.

He isn't going to be in the top 10 in rushing when he is splitting carries with Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. He isn't paid to do that, and WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE.

Barber is a brusier and a player who is good in the red zone. He is a finisher. And that is what he is being paid to be. He splits carries with Felix and will give a few to Choice. It's not his show.

To say that "Micheal Turner had more yards" is complete ignorance. If Turner were here, he wouldn't have had those yards he had in Atlanta.

I seriously wonder how our fans could be so incapable of properly evaluating our own players.

 

[bbgun]

when was the last bad shotgun snap for gurode?

because I Don't remember a single one last season.

You might want to re-watch the Arizona game, when he snapped it on the wrong count. Tony's alertness prevented a turnover.

http://img4.*************/img4/2351/vlcsnap481121.jpg

Andre still has trouble snapping the ball accurately and with enough velocity. Instead, he lollipops it far too often. This should have taken a week to correct, not three years.

 

[UnoDallas]

The people complaining about Barber's numbers need to buy a fricking clue.

What did you expect from him? To lead the league in rushing? WE DO NOT RUN A SINGLE BACK OFFENSE. He is not going to be an every-down 30-carry back like Emmitt Smith AND WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE.

He isn't going to be in the top 10 in rushing when he is splitting carries with Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. He isn't paid to do that, and WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE.

Barber is a brusier and a player who is good in the red zone. He is a finisher. And that is what he is being paid to be. He splits carries with Felix and will give a few to Choice. It's not his show.

To say that "Micheal Turner had more yards" is complete ignorance. If Turner were here, he wouldn't have had those yards he had in Atlanta.

I seriously wonder how our fans could be so incapable of properly evaluating our own players.

so you pay the man 40 mil an don't expect him to the main man ?

and why would not Turner have those yards here ?

 

[UnoDallas]

The people complaining about Barber's numbers need to buy a fricking clue.

What did you expect from him? To lead the league in rushing? WE DO NOT RUN A SINGLE BACK OFFENSE. He is not going to be an every-down 30-carry back like Emmitt Smith AND WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE.

He isn't going to be in the top 10 in rushing when he is splitting carries with Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. He isn't paid to do that, and WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE.

Barber is a brusier and a player who is good in the red zone. He is a finisher. And that is what he is being paid to be. He splits carries with Felix and will give a few to Choice. It's not his show.

To say that "Micheal Turner had more yards" is complete ignorance. If Turner were here, he wouldn't have had those yards he had in Atlanta.

I seriously wonder how our fans could be so incapable of properly evaluating our own players.

First off Jerry get to jumpy wanting to throw his money at a guy who can not carry the load - we should have franchised him last year - then sign him after his poor performance last year would have saved 10 - 15 mil

07 - 204 carries for 975 yards decent year

08 - 238 carries for 885 yards - bad year being the feature guy

he a finisher not a feature back

why would Turner not get the carries here ???????

if he gets paid 34 mil hes got to be the main guy
and he showed he was the guy with 1600+ yards & 17 tds

 

[UnoDallas]

The people complaining about Barber's numbers need to buy a fricking clue.


What did you expect from him? To lead the league in rushing? WE DO NOT RUN A SINGLE BACK OFFENSE. He is not going to be an every-down 30-carry back like Emmitt Smith AND WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE.

He isn't going to be in the top 10 in rushing when he is splitting carries with Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. He isn't paid to do that, and WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE.

Barber is a brusier and a player who is good in the red zone. He is a finisher. And that is what he is being paid to be. He splits carries with Felix and will give a few to Choice. It's not his show.

To say that "Micheal Turner had more yards" is complete ignorance. If Turner were here, he wouldn't have had those yards he had in Atlanta.

I seriously wonder how our fans could be so incapable of properly evaluating our own players.

want I expect from him is a 1000 yards thats only 62 a game

He is not paid to be the main guy - that why you give him a 45 million contract - to run the ball in the red zone ????????????????

Turner signed for $34.5 million

 

[cobra]

UnoDallas: you should try actually following the Cowboys if you are going to comment on them.

Some teams have systems where they have a one back system where one running back runs the majority of plays and usually ends up with a ton of yards because they get a ton of carries.

Some teams have systems where they utilize multiple backs and spread the running game around and keep different backs fresh and use in different systems.

Apparently you are under the delusion that we are the first type. But anyone who follows this team knows we are the second type. And in that second type, it does not matter who the running back is, he is not going to rack up a ton of yards because they do not get enough carries; the carries are spread around. (Which is why Turner would not have the same yards he had in Atlanta: he'd have about 33%-40% fewer carries.)

Here's a hint: this is by choice, not by necessity. We have elected to use a runningback by committee approach and have 3 contributors. It is not something we do because Barber can't cut it. It's a preferred approach.

Barber did not have the best season, but (again, if you actually watched the team you would know) he was hurt. It happens. Hopefully he will not be hurt this year.

But to go off on him because he hurt and because he is not a full-load primary back is ridiculous on your part.



(Also, please try responding to my post only 1 time and not 3. It makes the discussion flow better.)

 

[Teague31]

Will be shocked if we don't draft a LT in the first round next year.

 

[Four]

Why do fans talk about crap they clearly are clueless about, and then they get all defensive about it?

I think it's a generational thing, I bet most of them are around 20 years old.

I never thought it woudl happen, but I got old...

screw you father time!!!!!111