Making a Murderer

[DogFace]

Every single one of those vials has a hole in the top. That is how your blood gets into the tube(the top stays on to avoid spillage and contamination). If someone wanted blood from the vial they simply take the top off.

Do you know how hard it is to stick a properly sized syringe back thru that hole for someone without training and practice? Then you have to worry about the diffference in pressure. You have to pull and pull just to get a tiny amount in the syringe.

Once again you can just take the lid off. As for the box, this sample was used to free Steve Avery in 96 and 03. That is why the seal was broken. They needed to test his blood to free him with the new DNA tests. Once he is freed there is no need to re-seal the box with evidence tape. It was just sitting in the evidence room at the Clerk's Office.

Plus they wouldn't use a sample that had EDTA in it. That is basic framing 101. He had plenty of new blood taken when he got arrested in 2005 and even joked about it on camera.

The lab stated that the hole was not consistent with their procedure. Despite what the Internet tells you about procedures 30 years later.

 

[Nightman]

The lab stated that the hole was not consistent with their procedure. Despite what the Internet tells you about procedures 30 years later.

It isn't the Internet.

Those vacutainer tubes are all used the same way and anyone that has had blood drawn or drawn blood knows this. They all have the holes.

That is why the defense attorney didn't even talk about the vials after his big "aha" moment. Once he realized that was normal and all the cop would do is just remove the lid anyways. Whatever the Labcorp person said on the phones is meaningless because they DID use those vials the same way as everyone else. I'm sure they confused about what he was describing.

 

[Nightman]

Its blatantly highlighted in purple for you....I'm not understanding the issue.

Coupled with the bus driver and propane tank guy both stated they say her on the property 3:30pm-4pm and say her vehicle driving away.

So Steven killed her in this 30 minute window with people watching and drove away in her vehicle...and no one saw or heard anything...and still not a single drop of her blood.

Dude is a Oceans 11 MASTERMIND.

I don't even know what you are trying to say.

She last used the phone before 3pm when she was heading to Avery's

She never made or answered a call after that. The 4:35pm call was from Avery trying to establish an alibi after attacking her.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

I don't even know what you are trying to say.

She last used the phone before 3pm when she was heading to Avery's

She never made or answered a call after that. The 4:35pm call was from Avery trying to establish an alibi after attacking her.

the purple outlined call did not come from avery. and the length is too long...it was an answered call where people talked.

What are all the 11/1 entries as well?

 

[65fastback2plus2]

It isn't the Internet.

Those vacutainer tubes are all used the same way and anyone that has had blood drawn or drawn blood knows this. They all have the holes.

That is why the defense attorney didn't even talk about the vials after his big "aha" moment. Once he realized that was normal and all the cop would do is just remove the lid anyways. Whatever the Labcorp person said on the phones is meaningless because they DID use those vials the same way as everyone else. I'm sure they confused about what he was describing.

the broken seals with christmas present tape over them is NOT protocol anywhere.

 

[Nightman]

the broken seals with christmas present tape over them is NOT protocol anywhere.

I'll take sloppy/lazy over conspiracy any day.

After all he was released from prison in 2003.
They drew a ton of new blood in 2005 that didn't have EDTA if they wanted to frame him.


-Blood is drawn and placed in the purple topped EDTA tube in 1985. Along with fingernail and hair clipping. It is sealed in the box.

-Blood is tested in 1996 when he loses appeals for a new case based on DNA. New Evidence tape is used and dated.

-Blood is tested again in 2003 when he is finally released. Blood is put back but no one bothers with new evidence tape, He is released, who cares?

 

[jterrell]

http://www.vulture.com/2016/01/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-jodi-stachowski-hes-not-innocent.html

interesting take.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

http://www.vulture.com/2016/01/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-jodi-stachowski-hes-not-innocent.html

interesting take.

I wouldnt trust anyone that says "If I drink, I go back to jail"....then goes back to jail lol

 

[jterrell]

I wouldnt trust anyone that says "If I drink, I go back to jail"....then goes back to jail lol

You trust Steven Avery?

 

[65fastback2plus2]

You trust Steven Avery?

Not really...but one of them admitted guilt by doing what they stated they knew not to, the other hasnt.

 

[Passepartout]

Darn it, do not have Netflix. But heard a lot about the show. Need to watch the show to make a judgement call.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

http://www.vulture.com/2016/01/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-jodi-stachowski-hes-not-innocent.html

interesting take.

So much for that docu-drama being on the up & up...



Pfffftttt.

 

[Tabascocat]

http://www.vulture.com/2016/01/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-jodi-stachowski-hes-not-innocent.html

interesting take.

It may be the truth, who knows but she is going to cash in on this for sure.

 

[Nightman]

It may be the truth, who knows but she is going to cash in on this for sure.

I don't think a 30 minute interview on the HLN network is a big moneymaker.

She doesn't look good under any light but I believe her about Avery. She lived with him and knows that he is a monster.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't think a 30 minute interview on the HLN network is a big moneymaker.

She doesn't look good under any light but I believe her about Avery. She lived with him and knows that he is a monster.

And already "holes" are showing up in the docu-drama.

 

[jterrell]

Not really...but one of them admitted guilt by doing what they stated they knew not to, the other hasnt.

Actually Avery has admitted a lot of guilt, just not for this or the false rape. It was one of the selling points of the doc.

But I try to look at it as a juror and I just don't find Avery believable.

It may be the truth, who knows but she is going to cash in on this for sure.

probably could have cashed in more on the he's a poor innocent man angle playing on the documentaries emotional web.

hard to call her a liar here when the police reports exist and she says she talked to actual verefiable people.

really disconcerting that the documentary used people for character witnesses who later recanted but chose to not as much as use a disclaimer at the end of an episode.

 

[Tabascocat]

I don't think a 30 minute interview on the HLN network is a big moneymaker.

She doesn't look good under any light but I believe her about Avery. She lived with him and knows that he is a monster.

I see a book in her future.......

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Actually Avery has admitted a lot of guilt, just not for this or the false rape. It was one of the selling points of the doc.

But I try to look at it as a juror and I just don't find Avery believable.

I dont find him smart enough to make every drop of someone's blood disappear.

 

[jterrell]

I dont find him smart enough to make every drop of someone's blood disappear.

Pretty sure he had access to a few episodes of Dexter or the books.
That part really doesn't trouble me much. There was a fair amount of time before the police searched throughly.

If Avery actually killed the girl he had a few acres worth of land and any number of places to do so, may not have ever been copious amounts of blood in his house.

End of the day the circumstantial evidence is fairly overwhelming IMHO.
The justice system can and does employ idiots and it seems that County collected most of them but none of that makes him actually innocent.
They are bad at their job and clearly liars but Avery is just not a very likable dude with a history of assaults on women and animals BEFORE he spent all those years locked up with hardcore felons as a rapist.
His specific request and number of phone calls to this woman is way out of norm.

End of the day I took the "Making of a Murderer" to fall fairly literally for me. They took a damaged dude and locked him away for a crime he didn't commit and he came out a murderer.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

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