Man, I hope they ditch the salary cap...

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HeavyHitta31 said:
I am so sick of this watered down, pansy, go from 5-11 to SB champs in one year league. It just isnt the same. This game was so much more fun when every year you knew it was going to be Dallas or SF to win the title, or in the 70s you knew it would be Dallas or Pittsburgh. In the 80s, you knew it was going to be either the Commanders or 49ers. Now, every single team has at least a small shot going into every season.

I miss seeing teams that could go 3-4 deep at some positions and still have pro-bowl caliber players. I miss teams that had superstars at every position on the field. I miss players flocking to the teams with the best owners who were willing to shell out the big bucks. I miss players staying with one team for their entire career. I miss having to build your team through the draft and trades.

I just watched a SB in which both teams that played would not have finished above .500 in the pre-salary cap days. Hell, its been that way for years now. If the NFL knows whats best for it, It'll ditch the cap and never look back.

if you were a fan of the Cardinals, or Chargers, or Bears, you would feel differently, believe it or not, this is good for the league, even though the champions haven't been the champions of old, minus the Pats

and I'm glad there's a salary cap, or little Danny Boy would be killing us
 

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Dropping the salary cap would ensure that the teams with good owners who have winning as a priority will always have a chance.

Teams like the Cardinals, Saints and Browns, who are in the NFL to collect a paycheck form the teams that acutually market their teams, will forever be losers. The cap has not really ensured that the losers will become winners.

Todays game is a prime example of how the cap has ruined the quality of today's NFL. The two teams in today's superbowl would have been battling for a top 5 draft pick in the early 90's. Two equally bad teams that allowed the referees to have a hand in the outcome.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
I don't think you understand: Getting rid of the cap would also require getting rid of FA, otherwise its pointless to do. Reset the league back to 1994.

Don Henley sang, you can't go back, you can never go back and he is right.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Since the cap came into effect, only 1 SB, the 1996 game between Dallas and Pittsburgh, has gotton a higher network rating than 44. In contrast, in the 29 SBs before the cap, the SB rating broke 44 16 times.

Just to show how bad SB ratings have become, SB 5 in 1971, yes, 1971, had a network rating nearly 5 points higher than SB 39 in 2005. 5 points in network ratings = millions of viewers

Now, I'm not expert, but if a game in 1971, a time in which nearly a 4th of all households in this country didnt even own a television, can get higher ratings than a SB in 2005, a time in which 9 of every 10 households in this country own a televsion, something is wrong. That something is parody.

IN 1971 there were only three channels to watch. Period. So yeah, it got good ratings....

No TV shows shown now get the ratings that TV shows got in the pre-cable era, so the comparisions are all somewhat skewed.

And the days of no free agency had their dark side, like Al Davis sitting Marcus Allen on the bench even though he was a great RB, just 'cause Davis was a putz and was angrr with him. Also, most likely the whole thing would end up in court, draft invalidated, etc, nowadays, without some arrangement between players and the NFL.

I sure wouldn't want a job without any choice as to who or where I would be working for upwards of ten years.
 

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Losing the cap would be a major, major disaster for the NFL.

It'd become a joke of a league like MLB.

Or have labor issues like the NHL.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Chess is boring as Hell. I want 2-3 GREAT teams, 2-3 very good teams, and a whole lotta bad teams. Thats what the league was before the cap and FA: Several great/good teams that were dynasties and the rest who were trying to get there.
And the nfl would lose half of its fan base.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Chess is boring as Hell. I want 2-3 GREAT teams, 2-3 very good teams, and a whole lotta bad teams. Thats what the league was before the cap and FA: Several great/good teams that were dynasties and the rest who were trying to get there.

Yeah. The NFC East Rules. :rolleyes:

The way the league was going and the monies the players were getting were not close. This is why the players had a strike.

Unless there is some shape or form where the teams had to pay out a certain percentage of the GDR to the players you will have strikes. The players know that that owning an NFL franchise is like getting a license to print money. So they want their fair share.
 

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Yeah. The NFC East Rules. :rolleyes:

The way the league was going and the monies the players were getting were not close. This is why the players had a strike.

Unless there is some shape or form where the teams had to pay out a certain percentage of the GDR to the players you will have strikes. The players know that that owning an NFL franchise is like getting a license to print money. So they want their fair share.

This is just fans pining for the old days when Dallas was one of the dynasties and they want it back.

Maybe Dallas should draft well before they worry about that. Salary cap or not, Dallas certainly wouldn't have had a dynasty lately.

NE seemed to have accomplished it in the salary cap era though....
 

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Old saying = Be careful what you ask for as you may get it and it turn out to be something other than you thought.

The grass is always greener in the other guy's joint.
 

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Mr Cowboy said:
Dropping the salary cap would ensure that the teams with good owners who have winning as a priority will always have a chance.

Teams like the Cardinals, Saints and Browns, who are in the NFL to collect a paycheck form the teams that acutually market their teams, will forever be losers. The cap has not really ensured that the losers will become winners.

Todays game is a prime example of how the cap has ruined the quality of today's NFL. The two teams in today's superbowl would have been battling for a top 5 draft pick in the early 90's. Two equally bad teams that allowed the referees to have a hand in the outcome.

Anyone else not have a problem with this?
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Anyone else not have a problem with this?

I think if your going to have FA then you must have a cap. If I had my way there would be no FA and no cap.
 

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I think if your going to have FA then you must have a cap. If I had my way there would be no FA and no cap.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. That's my whole point, go back to the league of old.
 

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junk said:
This is just fans pining for the old days when Dallas was one of the dynasties and they want it back.

Maybe Dallas should draft well before they worry about that. Salary cap or not, Dallas certainly wouldn't have had a dynasty lately.

NE seemed to have accomplished it in the salary cap era though....

These NE teams would have been lucky to make the playoffs in the pre-cap era. :rolleyes:
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. That's my whole point, go back to the league of old.

I may want it but as they say you can wish in one hand and cr## in the other and see which one fills up 1st. I don't see the union ever wanting to go back as it was and I don't think the owners want to risk a strike.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
We've already been through this, history proves ratings would go up, not down.

I don't think the ratings have anything to do with the quality of play.

Did more people really tune in because Dallas was a great team and spanked the Bills 52-17?

I think people are just tired of 2 weeks of inane hoopla leading up to the game, 4 more hours of more inane hoopla leading up to kick-off, and horrific train-wreck half-time shows. Most people just watch for the commericals now, and these are people who don't know an offsides penalty from an onside kick. The quality of play means nothing to them.
 

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I don't think the ratings have anything to do with the quality of play.

Did more people really tune in because Dallas was a great team and spanked the Bills 52-17?

I think people are just tired of 2 weeks of inane hoopla leading up to the game, 4 more hours of more inane hoopla leading up to kick-off, and horrific train-wreck half-time shows. Most people just watch for the commericals now, and these are people who don't know an offsides penalty from an onside kick. The quality of play means nothing to them.

According to the ratings provided by the NFL, yes.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
These NE teams would have been lucky to make the playoffs in the pre-cap era. :rolleyes:

That doesn't expansion into account either.

However, if they did what you wanted, who would be the top teams?

Teams like NE and Pittsburgh. The ones that draft well.

Certainly not Dallas.

There is no way that free agency and the cap go away.
 
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