Manning cashes in

[AbeBeta]

you take away the one year where Eli got that help and he's in the same boat as Romo is regarding playoff wins.

Yes. But in the real world you can't take that away and discounting his play in the playoffs (and at the end of the 2007 season) is just sour grapes. Every QB gets "help" -- that's why this is a team game.

 

[burmafrd]

Assante Samuel does his job and catches the ball that drops right into his hands and what then?

 

[AbeBeta]

Assante Samuel does his job and catches the ball that drops right into his hands and what then?

you can take any QB in the league and pick a handful of plays where they got lucky and guess what... their stats would be worse. Romo would compare poorly in that realm b/c he takes so many chances

Gee, what if Plaxico Burress wasn't an idiot? What then? How far would the Giants have gone last year?

 

[GMen86]

watch him struggle without Burress.I really think they will struggle offensively this year.

I don't think it will be as bad as you think. Plax was definitely a loss and the offense suffered with out him, but that was an offense built with him in it.

Losing a player mid season effects the teams gameplan far worse. Sure, you can make adjustments, but it is still for the most part the same offensive plan. This years offense will be built around the players they have so the loss of Plax will be less significant.

 

[bbgun]

Never thought Peyton would be the "poorer" brother.

 

[Stash]

I don't think it will be as bad as you think. Plax was definitely a loss and the offense suffered with out him, but that was an offense built with him in it.

Losing a player mid season effects the teams gameplan far worse. Sure, you can make adjustments, but it is still for the most part the same offensive plan. This years offense will be built around the players they have so the loss of Plax will be less significant.

I think that sounds like a lot of wishful thinking to me.

Burress demanded constant double-civerage and made Eli's like a lot easier.

I just hope that Romo and the Cowboys don't have the same problems with Owens gone.

 

[Dallyjake]

Assante Samuel does his job and catches the ball that drops right into his hands and what then?

The Giants had no business winning the Cowboys game in those playoffs. I think they had like 60 yards total offense in the second half. Reeves and Crayton really helped them as much as Tyree or Eli.

Eli gets away with too many chuck and duck throws(ala Tyree catch). Eli looked avg at best last year when he played in Dallas. 8 sacks and a couple of pics. Im not sold on him for that huge contract. Give me Romo all day every day over Eli.

 

[GMen86]

The Giants had no business winning the Cowboys game in those playoffs. I think they had like 60 yards total offense in the second half. Reeves and Crayton really helped them as much as Tyree or Eli.

Eli gets away with too many chuck and duck throws(ala Tyree catch). Eli looked avg at best last year when he played in Dallas. 8 sacks and a couple of pics. Im not sold on him for that huge contract. Give me Romo all day every day over Eli.

LOL. Sorry to burst your bubble but the Giants did win regardless of what you think should or should not have happened. Romo had an opportunity to shine on the final drive and he blew it. Not only did he have trouble moving the ball once in Giant territory but he ended the game with an int.

That is the difference between Eli and Romo. I didn't want to get into an Eli Romo debate. They are both good QB's.

The contract Eli received is not just about Eli's talent level but about where the Giants franchise is right now. They would be crazy to let him walk and start Carr. I'd be willing to bet that any GM with the same situation would have done the same thing. Reese is no fool, if anything Eli probably could have pressed for more. This contract can and will be restuctured if Cap becomes an issue.

 

[Dallyjake]

LOL. Sorry to burst your bubble but the Giants did win regardless of what you think should or should not have happened. Romo had an opportunity to shine on the final drive and he blew it. Not only did he have trouble moving the ball once in Giant territory but he ended the game with an int.

The Giants did win but they had a lot of help. 11 penalties vs 3 come to mind as well.

Romo did what he needed to do to put his team in position to win the game...Crayton pulled up on a pretty throw that had TD written all over it on that last drive. Easy to point at Romo if your a Giants fan. IM pretty sure you would be hard pressed to find any Cowboys fans here that says Romo blew it in the 4th quarter.
Were you watching the same game?

 

[Kilyin]

They would be crazy to let him walk and start Carr. I'd be willing to bet that any GM with the same situation would have done the same thing.

Repeating that ad nauseam (like you have) doesn't make it true.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Eli is an awful quarterback with solid RB's and a great offensive line. Plax helped him out so many times by just allowing Eli to toss it up and have no worries. There is no coincidence that Eli struggled when Plax was out.

I'll go on record saying that he's a backup QB in this league with great surroundings. He's just simply terrible. Wouldn't be surprised if they went 8-8. I don't see anything special about them.

 

[Rampage]

LOL. Sorry to burst your bubble but the Giants did win regardless of what you think should or should not have happened. Romo had an opportunity to shine on the final drive and he blew it. Not only did he have trouble moving the ball once in Giant territory but he ended the game with an int.

That is the difference between Eli and Romo. I didn't want to get into an Eli Romo debate. They are both good QB's.

The contract Eli received is not just about Eli's talent level but about where the Giants franchise is right now. They would be crazy to let him walk and start Carr. I'd be willing to bet that any GM with the same situation would have done the same thing. Reese is no fool, if anything Eli probably could have pressed for more. This contract can and will be restuctured if Cap becomes an issue.

the difference is your team stepped up and Romo's didn't. the 1st half our o-line was mauling your d-line. the 2nd half and most importantly that final drive our o-line couldn't pass protect to save there lives(or Romo's for that matter). If Crayton doesn't stop on his route the play before the pick you guys lose. personally i could care less if you think Eli is better than Romo. but go rewatch the final drive and you'll see what i'm talking about. a qb needs help from the rest of the offense. cause other than the superbowl year Eli didn't have help and played far worse than Romo has ever played in the playoffs. just look at last year with Eli throwing up picks and Jacobs and your o-line failing to get a few inches on 4th down not once but twice.

 

[GMen86]

Eli is an awful quarterback with solid RB's and a great offensive line. Plax helped him out so many times by just allowing Eli to toss it up and have no worries. There is no coincidence that Eli struggled when Plax was out.

I'll go on record saying that he's a backup QB in this league with great surroundings. He's just simply terrible. Wouldn't be surprised if they went 8-8. I don't see anything special about them.

I am assuming you are the "Self Proclaimed" best rookie poster.

 

[GMen86]

the difference is your team stepped up and Romo's didn't. the 1st half our o-line was mauling your d-line. the 2nd half and most importantly that final drive our o-line couldn't pass protect to save there lives(or Romo's for that matter). If Crayton doesn't stop on his route the play before the pick you guys lose. personally i could care less if you think Eli is better than Romo. but go rewatch the final drive and you'll see what i'm talking about. a qb needs help from the rest of the offense. cause other than the superbowl year Eli didn't have help and played far worse than Romo has ever played in the playoffs. just look at last year with Eli throwing up picks and Jacobs and your o-line failing to get a few inches on 4th down not once but twice.

I never said Eli was better than Romo, just that they are both good qb's and that Eli was not lucky.

 

[Dodger12]

Not crazy when you compare to what Romo is getting paid. He signed in 07' and hadn't proven anything (still hasn't), except nice stats.

He too is paid more than Brady and is no way a better QB. It is all about timing IMO.

I don't know why some people here had to bring up Romo and compare him with Eli; they're two different types of QB's.

But Eli has a ring and, as someone mentioned earlier, is a game manager for your team. He's not only a good QB, he's the right QB that fits into your team's philosophy. People can argue all they want, the Giants wouldn't have paid him if they couldn't afford him and you're 100% correct on timing. Next year, some other QB or player is going to get more money and the same thing the year after that.

I wouldn't want to be the Giants and have to look for another franchise QB after already investing so many draft picks and cash for Eli. Eli may not be the best QB in the NFL right now, but he's still young and has all the tools to lead the Giants for years to come.

It took us years of looking until we found our next franchise QB. We suffered through QC, Hutch, Stoerner, Leaf, Wright, Bledsoe and Testaverde. I don't know why people are being so critical, Jerry Jones would have gladly paid that money to lock up a franchise QB with a SB ring and everyone here would have been applauding the move.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

I think it's funny people still bring up the salary cap. The salary cap is a myth.

Yes, Eli is now the highest paid player in the league. But he won't be in a year or two when some other really good QB comes up for a new contract. Heck Eli might not be the highest paid player in a month if Rivers signs for more. I also wouldn't be surprised if Nnamdi Asomugha (sp) gets paid more over the next six years than Eli does.

 

[Stash]

I think it's funny people still bring up the salary cap. The salary cap is a myth.

Yes, Eli is now the highest paid player in the league. But he won't be in a year or two when some other really good QB comes up for a new contract. Heck Eli might not be the highest paid player in a month if Rivers signs for more. I also wouldn't be surprised if Nnamdi Asomugha (sp) gets paid more over the next six years than Eli does.

Hey!

We're talking about franchise quarterbacks here!

Do you really feel that you're qualified to participate in this conversation?

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think it's funny people still bring up the salary cap. The salary cap is a myth.

Yes, Eli is now the highest paid player in the league. But he won't be in a year or two when some other really good QB comes up for a new contract. Heck Eli might not be the highest paid player in a month if Rivers signs for more. I also wouldn't be surprised if Nnamdi Asomugha (sp) gets paid more over the next six years than Eli does.

I'm thinking the Commanders should make Campbell the highest paid QB in the league. I mean, the salary cap is a myth ya know.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Hey!

We're talking about franchise quarterbacks here!

Do you really feel that you're qualified to participate in this conversation?

Isn't a franchise QB supposed to lead the franchise somewhere?:

 

[Skinsmaniac]

I'm thinking the Commanders should make Campbell the highest paid QB in the league. I mean, the salary cap is a myth ya know.

Keep believing that all that "cap room" you will have next year means something.