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They showed Manny Lawson in practice today at the Senior Bowl and directly compared him to DeMarcus Ware. Mel Kiper gave him a lot of praise calling him a special teams stand out as well.

What I found odd is that none of the analyst are even talking about him as an OLB, just a DE and that he may go in the 2cd as a DE. I agree, he may go in the 2cd as a DE, but as an OLB prospect he isnt making it out of the 1st
 

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rexrobinson said:
They showed Manny Lawson in practice today at the Senior Bowl and directly compared him to DeMarcus Ware. Mel Kiper gave him a lot of praise calling him a special teams stand out as well.

What I found odd is that none of the analyst are even talking about him as an OLB, just a DE and that he may go in the 2cd as a DE. I agree, he may go in the 2cd as a DE, but as an OLB prospect he isnt making it out of the 1st
I really hope BP and his boys are taking notice. I know JJ is drooling over him after seeing what Ware could do. And when JJ likes a player, his mind never changes.
 

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http://news14charlotte.com/content/sports/college/?ArID=75465&SecID=55

Lawson emerges for Wolfpack D
9/29/2004 3:32 PM
By: Keith Parsons, Associated Press

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RALEIGH, N.C. -- Manny Lawson spent most of his first two seasons at North Carolina State prowling the sidelines, asking any coach who would listen for a chance to get on the field. "I felt myself being a nuisance," Lawson said with a smile. "I can't stand just watching. I feel like a helpless soul."
Perhaps tired of hearing his pleas for playing time -- but more likely because of Lawson's enormous potential -- the Wolfpack coaches found a spot for him at defensive end. He's fit in just fine.

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Manny Lawson is a lanky 6-foot-5, 220 pounds, and he almost always goes against offensive tackles that outweigh him by at least 100 pounds.
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Against Virginia Tech last week, Lawson had three of N.C. State's 10 sacks, and the Hokies managed only 192 yards of total offense. He added two pressures of quarterback Bryan Randall and broke up a pass, helping him win a defensive player of the week award from the Walter Camp Football Foundation. The Wolfpack (2-1) leads Division I-A in total defense at about 165 yards a game, and they held Ohio State to only 137 earlier this month. For the first time since coach Chuck Amato was a sophomore linebacker at the school in 1965, N.C. State kept three straight opponents under 200.
And Lawson, a linebacker until this season, is one of the reasons.
"With his speed and his range, there's no doubt it's been a good fit," defensive coordinator Reggie Herring said. "Hopefully, after three games, he's beginning to understand playing in a down position."
Lawson is a lanky 6-foot-5, 220 pounds, and he goes against offensive tackles that outweigh him by at least 100 pounds on nearly every snap. It's especially difficult for a player who, by his own admission, "doesn't like being touched."
But he overcomes this with his amazing athletic ability. Lawson hasn't run a timed 40-yard dash since he was a freshman -- he weighed 35 pounds lighter then -- and was clocked at 4.36 seconds. At East Wayne High in Goldsboro, he qualified for the state indoor track meet in four events -- long jump, triple jump, 55-meter dash and 55-meter hurdles.
He's still fast enough that tailback T.A. McLendon won't race him, but cornerback Lamont Reid did take him on -- unfortunately for Lawson.
"I pulled up because he was winning," Lawson said a bit sheepishly. "I couldn't let it go down like that."
His emergence came a great time for the Wolfpack, who are playing without quarterback Philip Rivers for the first time since 1999. The offense is struggling with the tandem of Jay Davis and Marcus Stone as Rivers' replacements, making the defense even more important.
That game against the Buckeyes was a perfect example. Despite dominating throughout, N.C. State had five turnovers and lost 22-14. The Wolfpack played much more conservatively in the victory over Virginia Tech, and the defense again came through.
"Our defense is getting the recognition they deserve," McLendon said. "Now you see what kind of players we have out there. If they keep playing the way they're playing, they're going to continue to be the best defense in the nation."
Lawson and his teammates will get tested Saturday against Wake Forest, which ran all over N.C. State in 2003 during a 38-24 victory. The Demon Deacons finished with 202 yards on the ground, and they're averaging 247 this season.
"If we want to developing a national reputation defensively, you've got to bring it every week, day in and day out, regardless of who you're playing," Herring said. "This defense is just scratching the surface. That's why Saturday is such a big game for us.
"If you're not sound, if you're not focused, if you're not ready to play, they will make anybody look bad."
 

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just give em the big peice of meat at meal time and some extra gravy...


LOL I just noticed it said he once ran a 4.36 40
 

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rexrobinson said:
just give em the big peice of meat at meal time and some extra gravy...


LOL I just noticed it said he once ran a 4.36 40
One scout said last year that he ran a 4.43 just last year. They guy can get up to 255 without loosing speed,quickness, or leaping ability. Is it Saturday yet?
 

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Count me on board. I also like Carpenter and his intangibles, but love the idea of essentially being able to line up two Wares across from each other.

It seems like this guy's a gamer, but that'll really be tested this weekend.
 

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I'm on the fence with Lawson. Like him a lot but not sold you want another Ware over there....

I'm thinking more pure LB that can also get to QB second. Not a converted DE that might be able to play LB. Ware has that covered.

I still like Howard later in draft at 240+ and 4.40 speed. Good to see alternatives to Carpenter stepping up!
 

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Again, all 4 of New England's OLB's are converted college DE's. Parcells defense with the Patriots had McGinnest and Chris Slade, two converted college DE's.

I'm not sure where this idea came that you only have 1 pass rushing OLB and the other guy is a beefed up Dexter Coakley, but by golly people are going to stubbornly stick to it no matter how many examples you point out to them.

I liked him back in the fall as a 3rd round pick. Not thrilled with him as a 1st round pick (the guy wasn't exactly a game changer in college), but I would worry about Lawson being there at 18. This time last year Merriman was a 2nd round pick and Ware was a late 1st/early 2nd. I would expect a similar rise for him.
 

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I never really thought Manny would be there by our first pick even though most draft sites had him 3-5 range.

The rate he is moving up he won't be there for sure.
 

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InmanRoshi said:
Again, all 4 of New England's OLB's are converted college DE's. Parcells defense with the Patriots had McGinnest and Chris Slade, two converted college DE's.

I'm not sure where this idea came that you only have 1 pass rushing OLB and the other guy is a beefed up Dexter Coakley, but by golly people are going to stubbornly stick to it no matter how many examples you point out to them.

I liked him back in the fall as a 3rd round pick. Not thrilled with him as a 1st round pick (the guy wasn't exactly a game changer in college), but I would worry about Lawson being there at 18. This time last year Merriman was a 2nd round pick and Ware was a late 1st/early 2nd. I would expect a similar rise for him.

Rhoman Phfifer, Joey Porter, San Diego who has who opposite Merriman. Parcells went in with Als a 230 pound aging small cover 2 LB? No?

Carl Banks was a converted ILB - eh?

This isn't all Patriots mimic mode. Building a team is Parcells. My money is on not the "standard 3-4 OLB" from BP this draft. Time will tell!
 

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Nors said:
I'm on the fence with Lawson. Like him a lot but not sold you want another Ware over there....

I'm thinking more pure LB that can also get to QB second. Not a converted DE that might be able to play LB. Ware has that covered.

I still like Howard later in draft at 240+ and 4.40 speed. Good to see alternatives to Carpenter stepping up!

Lawson used to play Linebacker in college. I think his transition to that position in the NFL might be easier than Ware's.
 

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Porter college DE with 15 sacks in 1998.

Steve Foley 6-4/ 265 colleg DE who led NCAA in sacks with 18.5 his senior year.

Roman = Bradie James size.

Howard is running around blocks in Mobile and is one training camp away from being safety size.

We don't need any finesse LB's those days are gone and why we passed on DJ.

You are as much anti Al as anyone but now he's your evidence and defense.

Used him cuz he had to, not because he wanted to.
 

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InmanRoshi said:
Again, all 4 of New England's OLB's are converted college DE's. Parcells defense with the Patriots had McGinnest and Chris Slade, two converted college DE's.

I'm not sure where this idea came that you only have 1 pass rushing OLB and the other guy is a beefed up Dexter Coakley, but by golly people are going to stubbornly stick to it no matter how many examples you point out to them.

I liked him back in the fall as a 3rd round pick. Not thrilled with him as a 1st round pick (the guy wasn't exactly a game changer in college), but I would worry about Lawson being there at 18. This time last year Merriman was a 2nd round pick and Ware was a late 1st/early 2nd. I would expect a similar rise for him.

I look to Parcells past defenses to see what he might want out of his linebackers.

He has had a few former DEs, but he has had his fair share of actual LBers as well. Carl Banks and James Farrior were former ILBers he put on the outside. Roman Phifer was a former linebacker.

Slade was (I believe) an OLB in a 4-3 with McGinest on the line when the pats went to the Super Bowl under Parcells.

It seems to me he always finds his "pass rusher" and that is often a former DL. Ware, McGinest, Abraham, Taylor (sort of). His guy on the other side looks to be a guy with good coverage skills who is strong at the POA.

Heck, after researching this a bit, I would be even less surprised to see a guy like Kai Parham drafted and moved to the outside in the 3-4.
 

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I look to Parcells past defenses to see what he might want out of his linebackers.

He has had a few former DEs, but he has had his fair share of actual LBers as well. Carl Banks and James Farrior were former ILBers he put on the outside. Roman Phifer was a former linebacker.

Slade was (I believe) an OLB in a 4-3 with McGinest on the line when the pats went to the Super Bowl under Parcells.

It seems to me he always finds his "pass rusher" and that is often a former DL. Ware, McGinest, Abraham, Taylor (sort of). His guy on the other side looks to be a guy with good coverage skills who is strong at the POA.

Heck, after researching this a bit, I would be even less surprised to see a guy like Kai Parham drafted and moved to the outside in the 3-4.


Good take on kicking an ILB outside - Bill has done that in the past.


Rush - really you could argue Howard is 1 year away from being 245-250 in an NFL program. Can't teach 4.4 speed at that size. And he can get to a QB in the right scheme. I saw him on ESPN toast an edge rush in CLEAN. And the blocker was right in FRONT of him, no one shielding him.;)

On another note - KIWI is getting absolutely owned this week. Debrick and Collendge planted him on national TV. One guy damn near face planted him twice. Kids going to free fall this draft.

Manny Lawson to top 15? He's getting the props. Him and Watson two best players at Senior Bowl best I can tell so far.
 

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Howard will not be drafted as a LB by a 3-4 and we pass on him at least twice if on the board.

I'll put money on that.

Kiwi is a joke. D'Brick and Colledge are slightly better than the OT's at USF, Rutges, Cincy, and UConn.

This could get Randy Starks ugly.

I've been touting Manny since last summer.

I was hoping this wouldn't happen.

Last week would have been a good time for a high ankle sprain.
 

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Chris Slade played DE in George Welsh's 4-3 defense. Never played for Groh.

Parham had 8 and a half sacks this past season, so I think it'd be silly for anyone to say he can't rush the passer. But he's neither great in coverage nor super athletic, so I have a hard time seeing him playing outside full-time. He's a heck of an ILB, though, and maybe he would thrive opposite Ware.

I prefer converted DE's simply because they're big and know how to get to the QB. Having said that I must also say that I'd take a "traditional" linebacker in a heartbeat if he fits the bill, a guy like Carpenter, Parham or Brooks.
 
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