Many reports saying TCU invited to Big 12

[Aikbach]

The Texas 247 site is saying Notre Dame is in the mix as well.

Certainly a profile bonanza, they'd spice up the Big 12 North.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The Texas 247 site is saying Notre Dame is in the mix as well.

no way is Notre Dame joing the Big 12. If they join a conference it will either be the Big X, so they can keep the majority of their big money games, Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue or the ACC where they still have Boston College and Pittsburgh as well as a much easier conference.

 

[StylisticS]

no way is Notre Dame joing the Big 12. If they join a conference it will either be the Big X, so they can keep the majority of their big money games, Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue or the ACC where they still have Boston College and Pittsburgh as well as a much easier conference.

ND fans in their site are saying they will never going the big 10 for many reasons. I don't know though. I didn't think TCU would ever joing the Big 12.

Excuse my mistakes. I'm typing on my phone.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

no way is Notre Dame joing the Big 12. If they join a conference it will either be the Big X, so they can keep the majority of their big money games, Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue or the ACC where they still have Boston College and Pittsburgh as well as a much easier conference.

Big 10 will not happen. If they join the Big 10, they half to give up their exclusive TV contract with NBC.

 

[YosemiteSam]

no way is Notre Dame joing the Big 12. If they join a conference it will either be the Big X, so they can keep the majority of their big money games, Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue or the ACC where they still have Boston College and Pittsburgh as well as a much easier conference.

Word is DeLoss Dodds is in direct conversations with Notre Dame about joining the Big12. Whether that happens or not, remains to be seen. Of course, rumors are flying about WVU joining the Big12 on top of TCU and possibly BYU.

If the Big12 lands TCU, WVU, Notre Dame, and BYU? That would be an enormous boost over the last several years of the Big12.

I think it would be huge for Notre Dame too. They haven't exactly being tearing it up lately. They could use a big conference to help them and if those schools all join. The Big12 would be become a prime conference again.

 

[StylisticS]

Word is DeLoss Dodds is in direct conversations with Notre Dame about joining the Big12. Whether that happens or not, remains to be seen. Of course, rumors are flying about WVU joining the Big12 on top of TCU and possibly BYU.

If the Big12 lands TCU, WVU, Notre Dame, and BYU? That would be an enormous boost over the last several years of the Big12.

I think it would be huge for Notre Dame too. They haven't exactly being tearing it up lately. They could use a big conference to help them and if those schools all join. The Big12 would be become a prime conference again.

Its a huge boost for both sides. You get a national market and ND has access to Texas recruits.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Big 10 will not happen. If they join the Big 10, they half to give up their exclusive TV contract with NBC.

and I doubt the big XII would allow them to keep their exclusive TV contract, if so, you're almost begging the smaller schools like Missouri to look for better options.

I don't neccesarily think the Big X or ACC will hapen, unless it's a situation where ND has to join a conference. Like I've been harping on, if the 4 big xii schools join the pac 12, it will likely lead to the 4 remaining football conferences (ACC, SEC, Big X and Pac 12) to begin expanding with the remnants of the Big East and Big 12. Nothing short of that will force Notre Dame to join a conference.

 

[Kolemmitt]

Love to see this! College football without the Big XII is just not right. I would love to see BYU and BSU also added, but I would not be surprised if Boise comes up on the next round of expansion talks if and when they decide to go to 14 or 16.

 

[YosemiteSam]

and I doubt the big XII would allow them to keep their exclusive TV contract, if so, you're almost begging the smaller schools like Missouri to look for better options.

I don't neccesarily think the Big X or ACC will hapen, unless it's a situation where ND has to join a conference. Like I've been harping on, if the 4 big xii schools join the pac 12, it will likely lead to the 4 remaining football conferences (ACC, SEC, Big X and Pac 12) to begin expanding with the remnants of the Big East and Big 12. Nothing short of that will force Notre Dame to join a conference.

ND is getting to the point that they are going to have to join a conference. They aren't recruiting as well as they used too. If they don't stay competitive, their own network isn't going to do **** for them.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree, adding TCU is enough to pull the Big XII off life suport, but their long term fate, is still tied to UT and OU. I can still see both schools bolting to the Pac 12 (along with OSU and TTU) in a few years.

I would also add what Missouri does will be key. If they get a formal invite to the SEC, then the Big XII will still need another 3 schoold to get to the 12 needed for a conference championship game.

If Missouri gets an invite from the SEC, then I really feel UT, TTU, OU and OSU will end up bolting for the Pac 12 and the remaining schoold will be forced to scramble for a new conference.

If Missouri gets an invite to join the SEC, which IMO in no sure thing, the Big 12 will not fold and Texas, OU, Tech and OkieSt. will not bolt. They already have plans to address this. In addition to TCU and BYU, which has been mentioned, the Big 12 is also considering WV, Louisville, Tulane and reports are resurfacing on Notre Dame as well. Whatever happens, the Big 12 is not going to fold if Missouri leaves.

Besides, at this point, I have seen nothing that suggests the SEC is offering membership.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Love to see this! College football without the Big XII is just not right. I would love to see BYU and BSU also added, but I would not be surprised if Boise comes up on the next round of expansion talks if and when they decide to go to 14 or 16.

Honestly, had the Big XII added TCU and Boise when Nebraska and Colorado left, there may not have been a need to placate Texas with the amount of freedoms for their Longhorns network and Texas A&M may not have left.

All of this could have been avoided, but bad leadership landed this conference in the mess it's in now and I'm not sure if adding TCU now will be enough to save it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Honestly, had the Big XII added TCU and Boise when Nebraska and Colorado left, there may not have been a need to placate Texas with the amount of freedoms for their Longhorns network and Texas A&M may not have left.

All of this could have been avoided, but bad leadership landed this conference in the mess it's in now and I'm not sure if adding TCU now will be enough to save it.

TAMU was planning to jump ship before Texas ever came up with the idea to start the LHN. Missouri would get paid more this year if they stayed in the Big 12 (20 Million) then if they joined the SEC (18.5). If Missouri leaves, it's because they want to leave and it probably has nothing to do with money.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I've been listening to OKC radio in the mornings where this is a big topic of discussion and several of them are really wired in to what's going on behind the scenes. What they've been saying is that Missouri really wants out, but that the Big Ten and now the SEC (at least for now) don't want them. So they might not have much choice but to stay.

I don't think the Pac 12 wants Texas because they won't allow UT to keep the Longhorn Network. And without UT, the Pac 12 doesn't want OU and OSU.

I'd still like to see OU join the SEC, but they want to stay with Okla State and supposedly don't love the rep the SEC has for shady recruiting. But now that their real preference Pac-12 has said no, who knows.

One thing that's been tossed around has been the SEC adding three teams to go with A&M to get to that 16 number, and then maybe they could take OU, OSU, and some other school.

It's all pretty wild and I don't think it's over yet. These schools are wary of Texas now and know the Big 12 is still on very shaky ground.

 

[Aikbach]

If Missouri gets an invite to join the SEC, which IMO in no sure thing, the Big 12 will not fold and Texas, OU, Tech and OkieSt. will not bolt. They already have plans to address this. In addition to TCU and BYU, which has been mentioned, the Big 12 is also considering WV, Louisville, Tulane and reports are resurfacing on Notre Dame as well. Whatever happens, the Big 12 is not going to fold if Missouri leaves.

Besides, at this point, I have seen nothing that suggests the SEC is offering membership.

Exactly and what is so dog gone special about Mizzou anyhow, the St. Louis tv market is their biggest draw, they're a solid program from time to time but they aren't indispensable and they're even less equipped than A&M to handle the SEC, A&M at least had the battle tests of the Big 12 South, the Big 12 North even with Nebraska at full strength was never as imposing.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

ND is getting to the point that they are going to have to join a conference. They aren't recruiting as well as they used too. If they don't stay competitive, their own network isn't going to do **** for them.

Conventional wisdom does agree with you, but Notre Dame is still the biggest draw in college football. Notre Dame hasn't been good in a while, but NBC back in 2008 signed an extension through 2015.

 

[Aikbach]

Conventional wisdom does agree with you, but Notre Dame is still the biggest draw in college football. Notre Dame hasn't been good in a while, but NBC back in 2008 signed an extension through 2015.

I think ND would gain greatly from creating new rivalries as their old ones have diminished to near nothing, does anyone care about the USC/ ND show down anymore, particularly in light of the state of both programs?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

TAMU was planning to jump ship before Texas ever came up with the idea to start the LHN. Missouri would get paid more this year if they stayed in the Big 12 (20 Million) then if they joined the SEC (18.5). If Missouri leaves, it's because they want to leave and it probably has nothing to do with money.

yeah but they declined an invite or at the very least, assurances that an invite would be given out, last year when Nebraska and Colorado left. TAMU had an opportunity to bolt then, but choose to stay because their preference was to stay in the Big XII, but the Longhorns network gave Texas a much larger advantage so they decided to stay.

and as far as money for Missouri goes, ofcourse they will get a bigger cut in a conference with 10 teams, than a conference with 12 teams. however, for Missouri, the fear of getting left out is driving them. At the very least we know the Pac 12, ACC, Big X and SEC aren't going anywhere. And we know that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will find a home if the Big XII folds. The other schools all kinda feel like they need to find a home asap, or they could get left out.

Missouri isn't that great of a program, but if the SEC/Big Ten decide to expand, Missouri is likely more attractive than anyone else in the field.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I think ND would gain greatly from creating new rivalries as their old ones have diminished to near nothing, does anyone care about the USC/ ND show down anymore, particularly in light of the state of both programs?

Easy to say if your not a ND/USC fan (I'm not either), but people do pay attention to USC/Notre Dame and Michigan/Notre Dame. I mean should Florida State and Miami discontinue their rivalry as well? Ofcourse not.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

yeah but they declined an invite or at the very least, assurances that an invite would be given out, last year when Nebraska and Colorado left. TAMU had an opportunity to bolt then, but choose to stay because their preference was to stay in the Big XII, but the Longhorns network gave Texas a much larger advantage so they decided to stay.

and as far as money for Missouri goes, ofcourse they will get a bigger cut in a conference with 10 teams, than a conference with 12 teams. however, for Missouri, the fear of getting left out is driving them. At the very least we know the Pac 12, ACC, Big X and SEC aren't going anywhere. And we know that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will find a home if the Big XII folds. The other schools all kinda feel like they need to find a home asap, or they could get left out.

Missouri isn't that great of a program, but if the SEC/Big Ten decide to expand, Missouri is likely more attractive than anyone else in the field.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but TAMU did not have the chance to jump to the SEC last year. SEC wanted Texas and OU as part of the deal. They stayed in the Big 12 because they did not have an exclusive invite to the SEC. So long as Texas an OU stay in the Big 12, the Big 12 is viable. Missouri doesn't have any reason to fear because the Big 12 is not losing either of those two Marquee teams but either way, it doesn't matter. They can leave if they want. The Big 10 has already said that they have no interest so they aren't going there. SEC has not made any formal offer so I don't see them headed there. If they are not careful, they are going to find themselves with no chair left when the music stops.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Conventional wisdom does agree with you, but Notre Dame is still the biggest draw in college football.

Not sure if serious...