Many reports saying TCU invited to Big 12

[The30YardSlant]

I think all is correct except the bolded statement. There is no evidence that Texas gave a gentleman's agreement to not show HS games, etc.
Of course, now he sounds like they have come to a formal agreement to not do so.

The whole TV thing is odd anyway, seeing that Texas offered A&M a fair shot form the very beginning to partner with them and A&M turned them down. Then when it looked lucrative, everyone started crying foul.

A&M came out of this just fine, nevertheless. The SEC is a definite upgrade.

Had Texas come to that "formal agreement" sooner, A&M may still be in the Big XII.

Also, Texas going back on their agreement was stated specifically by the A&M president and board of regents as one of the several major reasons why we sought membership in the SEC, along with a perceived lack of quality leadership with regards to Dan Beebe and a lack of conference stability due to many factors. It's no coincidence that the first stories of us looking back into the SEC deal came out less than a week after it came out Texas was trying to show UIL events on their network.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Would be a good argument if all sports made money. They don't so really what we are talking about are major TV draws. That's Football, Baseball and Basketball. All the rest drain money. If you break it down that way, review these programs again and see how they stack up.

You can make it just football. Football is really the only one that matters because it's by far the biggest, and in some cases the only, money maker.

 

[DFWJC]

You can make it just football. Football is really the only one that matters because it's by far the biggest, and in some cases the only, money maker.

Football is the primary money maker, but major all-sport conferences do not add teams based on that alone. The TV contracts are in place for the most part. Also, the selction is absolutelya two-tiered thing that includes the school President and the AD.

Just some of the entry topics: How the school fares in Football,
then the other revenue sports (only a couple),
followed by the remaining sport
...all combined with the school's academic reputation, national appeal, tv market, alumni base, and overall long-term reputation.

There are a ton of factors that go into adding a school into an all-sports conference.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

What's the odds of WVU, Missouri and FSU joining the SEC to make it a 16 team conference?

Hmmm

 

[Robbieac]

Before I say anything, let it be known that I do not have an affiliation or allegiance with any of the college teams. I usually just like to see any of the Texas teams play well since I'm from Texas.

I'm excited about TCU being added to the Big12. They essentially replace A&M in terms of importance and competition without A&M's cocky, self-important attitude. The only people who have given a rat's *** about A&M for the last 10-15 years are people who have some sort of A&M connection. I think that their jealousy finally got the better of them. A&M is to the Washington Redsk*ns as UT and OU are to the Dallas Cowboys. They are only important in their own eyes.

After the initial hype of the conference switch wears off, A&M's recruiting of Texas athletes will wilt to only scrap heap players. A whole lot of Texas' great athletes either want to play for Texas, Oklahoma, or teams who play Texas or Oklahoma. Those athletes won't want to only play teams who have no local connections or local bragging rights. That's why A&M still wants to keep playing Texas. They know that if they don't play the local big boys a large stream of their recruits will come to a screeching halt.

If I were a betting man, I would wager that A&M will come crawling back to the local big boys in the next 10-15 years. If you're going to get an annual ***-kicking, you might as well get it from the locals instead of having to go across the country to get it.

Welcome TCU! I will be rooting for you!

 

[Aikbach]

Before I say anything, let it be known that I do not have an affiliation or allegiance with any of the college teams. I usually just like to see any of the Texas teams play well since I'm from Texas.

I'm excited about TCU being added to the Big12. They essentially replace A&M in terms of importance and competition without A&M's cocky, self-important attitude. The only people who have given a rat's *** about A&M for the last 10-15 years are people who have some sort of A&M connection. I think that their jealousy finally got the better of them. A&M is to the Washington Redsk*ns as UT and OU are to the Dallas Cowboys. They are only important in their own eyes.

After the initial hype of the conference switch wears off, A&M's recruiting of Texas athletes will wilt to only scrap heap players. A whole lot of Texas' great athletes either want to play for Texas, Oklahoma, or teams who play Texas or Oklahoma. Those athletes won't want to only play teams who have no local connections or local bragging rights. That's why A&M still wants to keep playing Texas. They know that if they don't play the local big boys a large stream of their recruits will come to a screeching halt.

If I were a betting man, I would wager that A&M will come crawling back to the local big boys in the next 10-15 years. If you're going to get an annual ***-kicking, you might as well get it from the locals instead of having to go across the country to get it.

Welcome TCU! I will be rooting for you!

You're not kidding pal, A&M has contacted Baylor's men and women's basketball programs about future scheduling and been declined. They are being snubbed by the rest of the state of Texas.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Goodbye Texas A&M. Hope you prefer longer travel times to accept inevitable losses.

 

[Air Force One]

My hope is that we(Texas) kick the crap out of A&M this year, and then never agree to play them again. I want to leave them with the eternal taste of losing to the Longhorns as a going away present and them never having a way to avenge it. Then they can go to the SEC where they will spend the next decade in the gutter.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A&M had an offer to join last summer, all we had to do was submit our notice that we were leaving the Big XII and the SEC would have voted us in in the exact same process that occured this year. A&M agreed to stay with the Big XII on the premise that Texas would not try and show high school or conference games on the network they were planning (among other terms). When Texas went back on the gentleman's agreement, the ball started rolling again

I'm sorry Slant but I have read nothing that confirms this. I don't follow TAMU Football religiously so it is possible that I have missed certain aspects but if proof of this is out there, I would certainly like see it.

As to the HS football thing, as I understand it, that's an ESPN thing and not a Texas thing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Had Texas come to that "formal agreement" sooner, A&M may still be in the Big XII.

Also, Texas going back on their agreement was stated specifically by the A&M president and board of regents as one of the several major reasons why we sought membership in the SEC, along with a perceived lack of quality leadership with regards to Dan Beebe and a lack of conference stability due to many factors. It's no coincidence that the first stories of us looking back into the SEC deal came out less than a week after it came out Texas was trying to show UIL events on their network.

It's a convenient out but as has been said in this thread before, it's a known fact that A&M was interested in jumping to the SEC long before the idea of a LHN was ever conceived. I think the fact that Texas did offer equal share to TAMU in that deal is also proof of the fact that this was not about the LHN. This was about TAMU wanting to jump to the SEC.

 

[DFWJC]

It's a convenient out but as has been said in this thread before, it's a known fact that A&M was interested in jumping to the SEC long before the idea of a LHN was ever conceived. I think the fact that Texas did offer equal share to TAMU in that deal is also proof of the fact that this was not about the LHN. This was about TAMU wanting to jump to the SEC.

Totally agree with this.

 

[Cythim]

I don't believe that is correct. I believe that the deal was, TAMU bring OU and Texas. That didn't happen.

As for Missouri, I don't think so. Missouri, IMO, would have to be willing to accept a long term affiliation. If they don't do that, there is nothing that says the Big 12 has to do anything for Missouri. There is a place for them if they want to commit to the Big 12 but if they simply want to kill time until a prettier girl comes along, I think they could find themselves out in the cold.

As far as I know Texas was never part of the deal with the SEC. They wanted OU and TAMU and either or both were fine with them. Once OU backed away TAMU did as well, though they obviously did not want to.

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"Boren said the SEC extended offers only to Oklahoma and Texas A&M, both of which opted to stay in the Big 12 after Colorado left for the Pac-10 and Nebraska left for the Big Ten. Because the SEC offer didn't include two of the Sooners' key rivals, Oklahoma State and Texas, Boren said he didn't consider it a good option.
“There was a time when A&M thought they were going to the SEC, and they very much wanted us to go with them,” Boren said.


Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...urted-Aggies-Sooners-785743.php#ixzz1a73qzmBC

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

As far as I know Texas was never part of the deal with the SEC. They wanted OU and TAMU and either or both were fine with them. Once OU backed away TAMU did as well, though they obviously did not want to.

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"Boren said the SEC extended offers only to Oklahoma and Texas A&M, both of which opted to stay in the Big 12 after Colorado left for the Pac-10 and Nebraska left for the Big Ten. Because the SEC offer didn't include two of the Sooners' key rivals, Oklahoma State and Texas, Boren said he didn't consider it a good option.
“There was a time when A&M thought they were going to the SEC, and they very much wanted us to go with them,” Boren said.


Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...urted-Aggies-Sooners-785743.php#ixzz1a73qzmBC

As I recall, at the time, the PAC 10 wanted Texas to come over. TAMU wanted the SEC and the SEC wanted TAMU and OU. Everybody thought that Texas to the PAC 10 was a done deal. OU said they would not leave without Texas so it had to be a deal for OU, Texas if it were any deal at all.

This is how I recall all of that shaking out last summer.

As to why TAMU wanted to join the SEC, I think that's a whole other story. When it comes right down to it, I just think A&M wants to be in the SEC. I think it's as simple as that.

 

[Cythim]

Would be a good argument if all sports made money. They don't so really what we are talking about are major TV draws. That's Football, Baseball and Basketball. All the rest drain money. If you break it down that way, review these programs again and see how they stack up.

I do not know how the other programs have done but TAMU has been in the basketball tournament the last 6 years, the baseball tournament the last 5 years (with one CWS appearance), and has been bowl eligible in 10 of the last 15 years.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Texas / OU is one of the biggest and best rivalries in all of college football. (personally, I think it *IS* the best rivalries in college football bar none) It would be absolutely ignorant to break them up by switching to different conferences.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Texas / OU is one of the biggest and best rivalries in all of college football. (personally, I think it *IS* the best rivalries in college football bar none) It would be absolutely ignorant to break them up by switching to different conferences.

The first 85 games of the rivalry were played while the teams were in different conferences

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Before I say anything, let it be known that I do not have an affiliation or allegiance with any of the college teams. I usually just like to see any of the Texas teams play well since I'm from Texas.

I'm excited about TCU being added to the Big12. They essentially replace A&M in terms of importance and competition without A&M's cocky, self-important attitude. The only people who have given a rat's *** about A&M for the last 10-15 years are people who have some sort of A&M connection. I think that their jealousy finally got the better of them. A&M is to the Washington Redsk*ns as UT and OU are to the Dallas Cowboys. They are only important in their own eyes.

After the initial hype of the conference switch wears off, A&M's recruiting of Texas athletes will wilt to only scrap heap players. A whole lot of Texas' great athletes either want to play for Texas, Oklahoma, or teams who play Texas or Oklahoma. Those athletes won't want to only play teams who have no local connections or local bragging rights. That's why A&M still wants to keep playing Texas. They know that if they don't play the local big boys a large stream of their recruits will come to a screeching halt.

If I were a betting man, I would wager that A&M will come crawling back to the local big boys in the next 10-15 years. If you're going to get an annual ***-kicking, you might as well get it from the locals instead of having to go across the country to get it.

Welcome TCU! I will be rooting for you!

Totally disagree. I'm mostly in the same boat you are, having graduated from a small school with no football program to speak of. But I like A&M and have always hoped they'd get things on track because that program really is a sleeping giant with unsurpassed fan support. I like TCU -- I was born not too far from their campus -- but they can't begin to compare to A&M. That's why they weren't even in an AQ conference until now.

And A&M won't be crawling back to the "big boys" because they're going right now to the "big boys". I go back to the SWC days so I root for teams from this area, but there's no doubt that the SEC is the biggest dog on the block and it's not even close.

Finally, people seem to forget for some reason that Oklahoma wasn't in the same conference as Texas for decades, and they still played each other. OU didn't have any problem recruiting Texas players, either.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I do not know how the other programs have done but TAMU has been in the basketball tournament the last 6 years, the baseball tournament the last 5 years (with one CWS appearance), and has been bowl eligible in 10 of the last 15 years.

I don't think that 10 years is a good measuring stick. For example, TCU and Boise have not had top shelf football programs for 10 years so that measurement hurts the comparison. However, they have had pretty good programs for a good 5 years. As example, BYU has been in the NCAA tournament 8 out of the last 10 years. In the last 10 years, they have gone to 7 Bowl games. However, I also think that when you are talking about Bowls, you really should be making a distinction between BCS Bowls and just Bowl eligible. The payoff for the BCS is much more lucrative. As far as baseball tournament, are you talking about the CWS?

I think if you compare TAMU to BYU, they match up pretty favorably.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The first 85 games of the rivalry were played while the teams were in different conferences

Your point is? As you know that now teams generally only play conference teams every year. Yeah; exceptions can be made, but it isn't likely.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Finally, people seem to forget for some reason that Oklahoma wasn't in the same conference as Texas for decades, and they still played each other. OU didn't have any problem recruiting Texas players, either.

Nobody has forgotten. It's just that times change. If OU left for the SEC, the Texas / OU rivalry would have probably died off.

As Texas A&M's will probably now die off. I think Texas already said it won't schedule Texas A&M anymore. /rivalry_dead