Marinelli to take over as DC

[jazzcat22]

Did not read through all the posts, as I'm sure most are the usual complaints and remarks without warrant. LOL

I think this was the plan from day one that Marinelli would take over as DC in 2 years. But with all the injuries, and obviously many new players next year, this was the right time to do this. Get them all learning Marinelli's way. I said after the season, the best thing was to promote him, make Kiffin a consultant. Title here doesn't matter, who cares about a title. [except the SB title]
This is a good move and the right time.

JG will take a step back from his passing games planning, and now will focus more on running the team as Jimmy Johnson did. Linehan can take that over from JG, and Callahan can still put together the run game planning, and OL.
I also think this is a good move.
Bryant will benefit tremendously from this, then that opens up the run, then Murray benefits from it too.
More coaches in this case, means better production. Egos and feelings will be checked at the door. I think these moves are very good. and it keeps consistency.

 

[Idgit]

I mostly agree with your last paragraph. I'd say our playoff futility makes our dysfunction worse than most.

Which category does Jerry not hiring a GM fall into?

Not hiring a GM in Dallas, or more specifically, not maintaining sufficient distance from the players is a horrible move in my book. I honestly think Jerry could make a coach like Jason, who's got some good leadership qualities, or an experienced one like, say, Mike Holmgren (or Bill Parcels, for that matter) work. If he'd just get far enough out of the way and let them do their jobs. He just won't do it.

So, I don't think we really need that GM layer so much as we need Jerry not to interfere with our Head Coaching layer. Honestly, I could see him hiring a GM and then interfering the same with with both that guy and the head coach. Can't you?

 

[BigStar]

Clarence Hill ‏@clarencehilljr 3m
Jason Garrett on staff changes: "we feel this is the right thing for our football team."
Monte Kiffin as the overseer....you can't make this stiff up.

Jon Machota ‏@jonmachota 3m
Jason Garrett: The Linehan/Callahan combination "will give us a great chance to build upon the strides we made offensively last year."
Jason Garrett: Monte Kiffin's knowledge "will be put to use in mentoring all of the players and coaches on the defensive side of the ball."

So Monte is basically now a consultant on the coaching staff and Cally is OL coach again.

 

[Idgit]

If we played in just about any other division in football, or if we lost Romo for any significant stretch of time, we would not have been a .500 team this year.

If next year's schedule plays out how it looks on paper right now (and I understand it rarely does, but humor me), I have a hard time seeing how we make it next year unless our division remains in the toilet.

Perhaps. We didn't though. And I don't think the East ended up being all that bad a division when it was all said and done, though it was one of the two or three weakest this last season.

Had we played even middling passing defense, though, we'd have possibly won a home playoff game, and probably been competitive in the second round. That's a bleeding wound on this team and the obvious easiest liability to address to get us the most obvious bang for our buck. I'd prefer to see us tackling our problems in order of priority, and I don't much care to get worked up about things that aren't on my personal top 10 list of Things Wrong with the Dallas Cowboys.

When you look at our HC and coordinators right now, putting aside everyone's current dislike of Jason, is it really that bad? Linehan, with Callahan backing him up. Marinelli. Bisaccia. That's a pretty decent staff right now. The fact that the ghost of Monte Kiffin is wandering the halls or that Callahan had play calling responsibility removed is really relatively small potatoes in the scheme of things. And if we don't fix our DL and get some coverage from the WLB and FS positions, it's not going to matter, one way or another, anyway.

 

[BigStar]

Not hiring a GM in Dallas, or more specifically, not maintaining sufficient distance from the players is a horrible move in my book. I honestly think Jerry could make a coach like Jason, who's got some good leadership qualities, or an experienced one like, say, Mike Holmgren (or Bill Parcels, for that matter) work. If he'd just get far enough out of the way and let them do their jobs. He just won't do it.

So, I don't think we really need that GM layer so much as we need Jerry not to interfere with our Head Coaching layer. Honestly, I could see him hiring a GM and then interfering the same with with both that guy and the head coach. Can't you?

The GM layer contributes to the poor quality of talent as a result of poor drafting and contracts but agree that even with the suitable talent, the significant problem to the organization's structure (JJ is not stepping down as GM) is not having a respectable HC that JJ wouldn't second guess/undermine (Jimmy/Parcells). It will never be perfect/ideal in Dallas and will always maintain some dysfunction because of the Owner/GM diverted attention, etc. The best odds at winning in Dallas is with a premium HC that demands respect/authority over his players and getting the most out of the talent they are given even with the dysfuntion at the top.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Not hiring a GM in Dallas, or more specifically, not maintaining sufficient distance from the players is a horrible move in my book. I honestly think Jerry could make a coach like Jason, who's got some good leadership qualities, or an experienced one like, say, Mike Holmgren (or Bill Parcels, for that matter) work. If he'd just get far enough out of the way and let them do their jobs. He just won't do it.

So, I don't think we really need that GM layer so much as we need Jerry not to interfere with our Head Coaching layer. Honestly, I could see him hiring a GM and then interfering the same with with both that guy and the head coach. Can't you?

Well, yes, agreed. But that's of course part of the overall objection. My question could be rephrased as 'hiring a GM and getting out of the way' or 'giving the HC GM responsibilities and getting out of the way'. Or, simply, 'get out of the way'. Once you admit that this is the big mistake then you admit that our odds of being successful are lower than other teams, which should in all rights put us higher than average on any dysfunction scale, especially when you then start adding in some of the details, like the drunken interviews.

We agree he's not going to get out of the way, so our differences lie in varying psychological approaches for how to deal with it as fans, which then get manifested here.

 

[Idgit]

The GM layer contributes to the poor quality of talent as a result of poor drafting and contracts but agree that even with the suitable talent, the significant problem to the organization's structure (JJ is not stepping down as GM) is not having a respectable HC that JJ wouldn't second guess/undermine (Jimmy/Parcells). It will never by perfect and have some dysfunction because of the Owner/GM diverted attention, etc. so the best odds at winning in Dallas is with a premium HC that demands respect/authority over his players.

I think under Wade, we had a disconnect between the traits needed to run the various systems and the traits our college scouts were looking for. For whatever reason. Jason, probably because he's a better communicator and much more analytical, seems to have closed that gap in recent drafts. We're doing a much better job of finding talent, though a lot of that comes from the proscouting side and from CFAs.

Jimmy and Jerry could not co-exist for long, and at this point I think it's highly unlikely Jerry would tolerate another Jimmy-personality. Bill and Jerry got along, but then Bill didn't really have more luck than Jason has, so far. He certainly built up the talent on the roster, though.
I think Jason does have the respect of his players. And I don't think anybody gets the authority piece from Jerry. That might be the reason why I think Jason is a better fit for the current organization than some of you guys, because I believe what you're hoping to find in his place will never happen here.

 

[Idgit]

Well, yes, agreed. But that's of course part of the overall objection. My question could be rephrased as 'hiring a GM and getting out of the way' or 'giving the HC GM responsibilities and getting out of the way'. Or, simply, 'get out of the way'. Once you admit that this is the big mistake then you admit that our odds of being successful are lower than other teams, which should in all rights put us higher than average on any dysfunction scale, especially when you then start adding in some of the details, like the drunken interviews.

We agree he's not going to get out of the way, so our differences lie in varying psychological approaches for how to deal with it as fans, which then get manifested here.

Agreed. Except you might be underestimating the capacity of 30 other egomaniacs (not counting the people of Green Bay) to invite dysfunction into their own organizations. Who's to say what 'average dysfunction' is in the NFL. We can agree that our own dysfunction is enough to get in the way of us winning anything of any importance for going on two decades.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Did not read through all the posts, as I'm sure most are the usual complaints and remarks without warrant. LOL

I think this was the plan from day one that Marinelli would take over as DC in 2 years. But with all the injuries, and obviously many new players next year, this was the right time to do this. Get them all learning Marinelli's way. I said after the season, the best thing was to promote him, make Kiffin a consultant. Title here doesn't matter, who cares about a title. [except the SB title]
This is a good move and the right time.

JG will take a step back from his passing games planning, and now will focus more on running the team as Jimmy Johnson did. Linehan can take that over from JG, and Callahan can still put together the run game planning, and OL.
I also think this is a good move.
Bryant will benefit tremendously from this, then that opens up the run, then Murray benefits from it too.
More coaches in this case, means better production. Egos and feelings will be checked at the door. I think these moves are very good. and it keeps consistency.

Thank you, Dr. Pangloss.

 

[CyberB0b]

For whatever reason. Jason, probably because he's a better communicator and much more analytical, seems to have closed that gap in recent drafts. We're doing a much better job of finding talent, though a lot of that comes from the proscouting side and from CFAs.

That completely absolves Garrett of his responsibilities as the assistant head coach. He was here before Wade was here (which is crazy in its own right). I think Garrett had a lot more input in the "Wade" drafts than people want to admit, although that is purely speculation on my part.

 

[jazzcat22]

Thank you, Dr. Pangloss.

you're welcome!

 

[Idgit]

Thank you, Dr. Pangloss.

FFV, dropping the Candide knowledge-bomb on us early on a Wednesday. High-browin' up up in here. Word.

 

[KJJ]

Why can't they just fire coaches like a normal team?

Because this isn't a normal team it's dysfunctional.

 

[Idgit]

That completely absolves Garrett of his responsibilities as the assistant head coach. He was here before Wade was here (which is crazy in its own right). I think Garrett had a lot more input in the "Wade" drafts than people want to admit, although that is purely speculation on my part.

He might. We also lost Ireland just before that, which played a role, certainly.

My take on Wade was that he was easy going and had the attitude that it was his job to coach up the best possible players the organization could give him. He just never struck me as having a definite idea of what type of player he needed for his scheme. Even in his pressers, he'd say things to that effect. So I think he trusted his scouts and just went with what Jerry wanted. That might not be fair to him, I don't really know. But it would seem to be in his character. Wouldn't it?

 

[fanfromvirginia]

FFV, dropping the Candide knowledge-bomb on us early on a Wednesday. High-browin' up up in here. Word.

Only on Wednesdays. Humpday Highbrowin'.

 

[Idgit]

Only on Wednesdays. Humpday Highbrowin'.

You and I are going to make this a thing here. Highbrow Wednesdays. Dropping knowledge bombs like turds with golden peanuts inside and classing this place up. Real. Damn. Classy.

You start, though, because I can't think of anything Highbrow at the moment.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

You and I are going to make this a thing here. Highbrow Wednesdays. Dropping knowledge bombs like turds with golden peanuts inside and classing this place up. Real. Damn. Classy.

You start, though, because I can't think of anything Highbrow at the moment.

Okay, I'll go Tolstoy on you: Every successful NFL team is successful for the same reasons. Every unsuccessful NFL team is unsuccessful in its own way.

I highly doubt that's true but truth don't matter on Highbrow Humpdays.

 

[Idgit]

Okay, I'll go Tolstoy on you: Every successful NFL team is successful for the same reasons. Every unsuccessful NFL team is unsuccessful in its own way.

I highly doubt that's true but truth don't matter on Highbrow Humpdays.

See, now you've totally lost me. What the hell are you talking about.
You're right, though, Highbrow Humpday is much better. That's the new name.

 

[NJ22]

Will everyone who blamed Kiffen now say we have a good DC so the head coach may actually be accountable if the D sucks?

 

[wileedog]

Had we played even middling passing defense, though, we'd have possibly won a home playoff game, and probably been competitive in the second round..

I think that is a pretty wild stretch considering Garrett's 4-20 career record against teams over .500.

The Saints had already steamrolled us once during the season. i don't any evidence at all that even with a "middling" defense there was some sort of probability of us beating them.

And you can't really say "if we had a middling defense." We don't, because the dysfunctional owner pulled a knee jerk change in scheme even after spending many years and draft picks getting players who don't fit in it. The historically bad unit is a symptom of the dysfunction, not an an excuse for it.