Mario Williams already been labeled a bust?

[WoodysGirl]

I'll continue to believe Houston screwed up by not taking Bush or at least trading out of the #1 spot for more picks. Having said that I think it is far fetched for anyone to be claiming a rookie in week 2 of the season is some how a bust.

People say that all the time. That they should've traded out of the spot. What if there were no offers worthy of that spot? What if no one was really trying to get that spot? It didn't seem like people were beating down the Texans trying to get that pick.

That said, I think it's pretty silly to compare two players who play two different positions on opposite sides of the ball.

Bush is a RB who will always have stellar stats to back up his status. Williams play could very well rival Simeon Rice's production and he'll still fall short in the comparison.

 

[Doomsday101]

People say that all the time. That they should've traded out of the spot. What if there were no offers worthy of that spot? What if no one was really trying to get that spot? It didn't seem like people were beating down the Texans trying to get that pick.

That said, I think it's pretty silly to compare two players who play two different positions on opposite sides of the ball.

Bush is a RB who will always have stellar stats to back up his status. Williams play could very well rival Simeon Rice's production and he'll still fall short in the comparison.

I find it hard to believe that no team wanted to move up to the #1 overall. I do agree I don't think it is right or a fair to compare a D-Lineman to a RB having said that I felt taking Williams with the overall #1 pick was stupid I felt that way on draft day and feel the same today. Even the Houston faithful were and still are totally PO that Houston did this.

 

[MinnesotaCowboy]

Well just be glad Parcells and Jerry didn't have a chance to pick between the two, because Williams was #1 on our board and you can guess who we would have picked.

How do you know Williams was 1st on Bill and Jerry's board?.......I don't ever remember hearing that.

If I recall Houston does not have a very good defensive line and I would be very surprised if Mario is not double-teamed consistently. Could you imagine any of todays top DE's being great without lots of help from other members of the DL! I think not.........as BP has said on many occasions "you can always take one player out of the equation if required however if may come at the expense of giving up something someplace else". What if you don't have "something else"? I don't think one should consider anyone a "bust" after a lousy two games!!!! Just some great thoughts on my part

 

[Doomsday101]

How do you know Williams was 1st on Bill and Jerry's board?.......I don't ever remember hearing that.

If I recall Houston does not have a very good defensive line and I would be very surprised if Mario is not double-teamed consistently. Could you imagine any of todays top DE's being great without lots of help from other members of the DL! I think not.........as BP has said on many occasions "you can always take one player out of the equation if required however if may come at the expense of giving up something someplace else". What if you don't have "something else"? I don't think one should consider anyone a "bust" after a lousy two games!!!! Just some great thoughts on my part

Houston biggest problem is they can't protect the QB and once again after 2 games Carr is the 2nd most sacked QB with 9 sacks against him (Culpepper the most with 10 sacks) Houston problems have been and remain on their line and with OT Ferguson sitting there on draft day. By the way Bledsoe has been sacked 3 times thus far

 

[jay cee]

People say that all the time. That they should've traded out of the spot. What if there were no offers worthy of that spot? What if no one was really trying to get that spot? It didn't seem like people were beating down the Texans trying to get that pick.

That said, I think it's pretty silly to compare two players who play two different positions on opposite sides of the ball.

Bush is a RB who will always have stellar stats to back up his status. Williams play could very well rival Simeon Rice's production and he'll still fall short in the comparison.

I don't know WG, I've heard that New Orleans received all kinds of offers for their pick when word came out that the Texans had signed Williams the night before the draft.

I don't think they wanted to trade the pick. Not that I'm complaining, I've been mad at them since they came into existence.

Messed up my Cowboys viewing a few games each year.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I find it hard to believe that no team wanted to move up to the #1 overall. I do agree I don't think it is right or a fair to compare a D-Lineman to a RB having said that I felt taking Williams with the overall #1 pick was stupid I felt that way on draft day and feel the same today. Even the Houston faithful were and still are totally PO that Houston did this.

One question was a hypothetical. But my primary suggestion was that maybe no one offered anything WORTHY of the pick. Teams can offer whatever they want, but it doesn't mean it was worthy of getting the #1 overall pick.

Yeah I know some Houston faithful are still upset by the pick, especially when every Bush 2-yard gain is on sportscenter. I've also read that one of Williams struggles now is inconsistency and some are suggesting it's because the Texans are moving him around too much on the line. I don't know. But I'll be watching the game this week closely just to see.

What I observed last week is him getting pressure on some plays and then completely blocked out of a play. Almost got Payton a couple times, but he would be a step too late to get the sack.

But like many have said, the first two games of a rookie does not a career make.

 

[Doomsday101]

One question was a hypothetical. But my primary suggestion was that maybe no one offered anything WORTHY of the pick. Teams can offer whatever they want, but it doesn't mean it was worthy of getting the #1 overall pick.

Yeah I know some Houston faithful are still upset by the pick, especially when every Bush 2-yard gain is on sportscenter. I've also read that one of Williams struggles now is inconsistency and some are suggesting it's because the Texans are moving him around too much on the line. I don't know. But I'll be watching the game this week closely just to see.

What I observed last week is him getting pressure on some plays and then completely blocked out of a play. Almost got Payton a couple times, but he would be a step too late to get the sack.

But like many have said, the first two games of a rookie does not a career make.

Houston's intent was to get Bush but they did not want to pay the money Bush was looking for. They continue to talk until the night before the draft at that point they choose to go with Williams when they felt Bush asking price was more than they wanted to spend. I'm not down on Williams and I think he will be a good player but I think with the problems Houston has that Williams was not the right pick and yes I think they could have traded the overall 1 and still drafted high enough where they may still have gotten Williams along with more help.

 

[MinnesotaCowboy]

People say that all the time. That they should've traded out of the spot. What if there were no offers worthy of that spot? What if no one was really trying to get that spot? It didn't seem like people were beating down the Texans trying to get that pick.

That said, I think it's pretty silly to compare two players who play two different positions on opposite sides of the ball.

Bush is a RB who will always have stellar stats to back up his status. Williams play could very well rival Simeon Rice's production and he'll still fall short in the comparison.

WG, you are smarter than the average bear! Good post!

 

[Stautner]

Way too early to call the guy a bust, but he may well always be a bust when compared to Bush even if he eventually does well.

 

[roughneck266]

I wish I could creat an NFL team off the guys people have called a bust over the years. Win the superbowl EVERY year!

 

[jay cee]

Way too early to call the guy a bust, but he may well always be a bust when compared to Bush even if he eventually does well.

That's the point. Plus when you realize that this team had so many holes, they could have really used the extra picks that trading down would have brought them.

 

[Stautner]

That's the point. Plus when you realize that this team had so many holes, they could have really used the extra picks that trading down would have brought them.

I think everyone knew after the Texans made that pick that the only hope they had of escaping perpetual criticism is if Williams turned out to be Reggie White, Bruce Smith or something in that ballpark. Even if he does approach that neighborhood at some point, it may be a few years down the road.

Of course, Bush could have a career ending injury - that would help. It's hard to imagine that the Texans will end up living this down though.

 

[joseephuss]

Way too early to call the guy a bust, but he may well always be a bust when compared to Bush even if he eventually does well.

You are right. Bush is not really lighting it up yet, but gets the benefit of the doubt while Williams is recieving the bust label. Too early for any of these guys.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I see people are still trying to put Reggie Bush into the Hall of Fame. Reggie Bush is averaging 3.4 ypc, has 0 Touchdowns and 0 games where he rushed for over a 100 yards, which I understand the guy is "supposedly" unique, but the above stats are pretty much used as a standard against all running backs.

The Texans clearly explained what their strategy was when they drafted Mario Williams. They wanted to start to build up their defense because of the division they were in.

They already had a solid running back and wanted to get strong on the other side of the ball, you know, the one that wins Championships.

Rome wasnt built in a day and if they keep focusing on their defense high in the draft along with proper scounting they will get there eventually.

Bill Parcells has been doing the same exact thing here. Newman, Ware, Spears, and a whole host of studs in later rounds.

Hell he even past on some supposedly cant miss products at RB and got Jones.

Give me a Highly rated DE over a Highly rated RB anyday of the week.

 

[Doomsday101]

I see people are still trying to put Reggie Bush into the Hall of Fame. Reggie Bush is averaging 3.4 ypc, has 0 Touchdowns and 0 games where he rushed for over a 100 yards, which I understand the guy is "supposedly" unique, but the above stats are pretty much used as a standard against all running backs.

The Texans clearly explained what their strategy was when they drafted Mario Williams. They wanted to start to build up their defense because of the division they were in.

They already had a solid running back and wanted to get strong on the other side of the ball, you know, the one that wins Championships.

Rome wasnt built in a day and if they keep focusing on their defense high in the draft along with proper scounting they will get there eventually.

Bill Parcells has been doing the same exact thing here. Newman, Ware, Spears, and a whole host of studs in later rounds.

Hell he even past on some supposedly cant miss products at RB and got Jones.

Give me a Highly rated DE over a Highly rated RB anyday of the week.

I'm not as focused on the RB but the fact is Houston can't keep Carr standing up he once again is at the top of the list of QB's getting sacked the most. You had OT Ferguson sitting there for the taking. Houston could have moved out of the #1 spot got the extra picked and address a major problem they have on offense. They have some good weapons on offense but Carr is already at 9 sacks after 2 games. While the Texans clearly explained what their strategy they have explained it many time and things have not gotten better in Houston they have gotten worse, they went from an expansion team and showed improvement then sank right back to the bottom and this season is not looking any better.

 

[K-DOGG]

My brother lives in Houston and went to the first Texans game and he said the fans were horrible towards Mario Williams. They booed, yelled at him that he sucked, chanted we want Bush. They were unrelenting in how they expressed their dislike of the Texans draft choice. My brother said he really felt sorry for the guy! What a plight, $50 million dollars and nowhere to hide on Sundays!

 

[Eddie]

If Houston played their cards right, they could have gotten Williams with the #5 pick and gotten an additional 1st and 2nd rounder in the exchange.

Williams would have dropped.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I'm not as focused on the RB but the fact is Houston can't keep Carr standing up he once again is at the top of the list of QB's getting sacked the most. You had OT Ferguson sitting there for the taking. Houston could have moved out of the #1 spot got the extra picked and address a major problem they have on offense. They have some good weapons on offense but Carr is already at 9 sacks after 2 games. While the Texans clearly explained what their strategy they have explained it many time and things have not gotten better in Houston they have gotten worse, they went from an expansion team and showed improvement then sank right back to the bottom and this season is not looking any better.

I agree, but you have to realize, Kubiak is going to bring the Denver blocking system to Houston and Denver rarely picks offensive lineman high in the draft. They typically look for a type of offensive lineman rather then their position in the draft.

And they have played the Eagles and Colts you know. If we had their schedule we could easily be 0-2 or 2-0, depending on how both teams played. Im just saying those are 2 pretty good teams to open up against.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Sep 21, 7:02 PM EDT
Column: It's Two Weeks, So Stop Whining
By DAVE GOLDBERG
AP Football Writer
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_ON_FOOTBALL_TWO_WEEK_WHINING?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-09-21-19-02-03

TIDBIT:

3. Mario Williams.

The No. 1 pick in the draft by Houston, he's already been labeled a bust because he has just five tackles, one assist and no sacks. Yes, it was probably a mistake for the Texans to pass on Reggie Bush. But a bust? After two games? On a bad team?

Hold off. Yes, Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse and others were instant successes as rookies. But Michael Strahan, perhaps the most consistent DE of the last decade, is only slightly better this year than Williams: nine tackles, two assists, no sacks.

First off Strahan is in his what? 14th year? Secondly, the second game of a man's career is far to early to label a bust.

Can you say ID10T.

 

[Stautner]

If Houston played their cards right, they could have gotten Williams with the #5 pick and gotten an additional 1st and 2nd rounder in the exchange.

Williams would have dropped.

I'm not sure if they could have traded down 5 spots for 2 number ones and a number 2, but they clearly could have got a lot more.

Of course, the first thing to check would be if the team with the number 5 pick had another number 1 and a number 2 ......

Wasn't Green Bay the number 5 pick ..... i doubt they would have traded away that much since they also need to rebuild.