Martin and Turpin make inaugural Players' All Pro team

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stilltheguru said:
I'm being honest. He's been screwing up alot and his only contribution is returning. He doesn't cover kicks or receive
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He screwed up twice in 17 games. That's it, 2 fumbles. He can play on offense, they just don't use him. They might use him in the playoffs.
 
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McKDaddy said:
How so? Martin is still a very good player but he isn't dominant like he once was. Players getting name recognition awards for past production is nothing new.
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It's both.

He isn't as dominate as he once was but at the same time the gap at RG between him and the next closest guard is so wide that even with him having a "solid year" by his standards is still better than all of the other guards.

The "getting recognition based on past achievements or his name value" is a cope out for haters because them simply saying that means they don't have to answer the question of "okay name 2 right guards that should of clearly gotten the award above him" because reality is they can't answer that question.

They'll discredit Martin on the basis of "he only got in on past achievements" but won't say why or who should of truly gotten it
 
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unionjack8 said:
Ignore it.

After having seen the dumb players vote on the top 100 for years all they've done is show us that they should stick to playing football, not analysing their brethren
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There are some head scratchers on that list. Adams over Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown, or Stefon Diggs? How did the Chief's punter make it? They barely ever punt. Aaron Donald on reputation. No Sauce Gardner.
 
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CoachD said:
I am definitely NOT sold on Turpin as a matter of fact I have concerns that he can even catch the ball especially when there is pressure around him. Tupin has dropped two this year and they were when he was stationary and not on the move.
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He's decent when he uses his hands to catch the ball. When he tries to catch the ball with his facemask then he's a liability. Hopefully moving into the playoffs he uses his hands more than his facemask.
 

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Tussinman said:
It's both.

He isn't as dominate as he once was but at the same time the gap at RG between him and the next closest guard is so wide that even with him having a "solid year" by his standards is still better than all of the other guards.

The "getting recognition based on past achievements or his name value" is a cope out for haters because them simply saying that means they don't have to answer the question of "okay name 2 right guards that should of clearly gotten the award above him" because reality is they can't answer that question.

They'll discredit Martin on the basis of "he only got in on past achievements" but won't say why or who should of truly gotten it
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No cop out at all. You can generally look at any year end list like this and see several folks who's inclusion is very questionable with the only real explanation being "name recognition".

I do agree that he does get some advantage because he plays RG as there are fewer high end players on that side. I would still contend that Wyatt Teller & Shaq Mason are probably better at this point though. I didn't watch either extensively this year though.

Martin doesn't "lose" a lot but he also doesn't "win" a lot. Too much stalemating in run blocking for me to consider him the best. Too often I have watched teams easily handle the defensive line we faced and struggled against the previous week. He had a stretch early in the year where he looked to be dominant again. I assume age is preventing him from being able to sustain it though.
 
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