Matt Hasselback vs Weeden

[Doomsday101]

Drew Brees? lol... You mean the shell of Drew Brees who couldn't throw past 20 yards Drew Brees.

yep and would not have had a great day had our defense actually been able to tackle someone. He was throwing short passes and how did the defense respond?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

We just lost to the winless Saints. Yes they have Drew Brees but that's all they have.

 

[Doomsday101]

We just lost to the winless Saints. Yes they have Drew Brees but that's all they have.

against our defense evidently that is all they needed.

 

[windward]

Drew Brees? lol... You mean the shell of Drew Brees who couldn't throw past 20 yards Drew Brees.

Still trying to figure out how the defense being unable to stop the Saints in the 4th and overtime is on Weeden.

 

[Doomsday101]

Still trying to figure out how the defense being unable to stop the Saints in the 4th and overtime is on Weeden.

I agree. I would be more inclined to agree with his critics if Weeden was out there throwing int giving the saints great field position but that is not the case. Evidently defense is playing great in their minds and this is all on Weeden.

 

[KJJ]

Last night a 40 year old Matt Hasselback led the colts to a victory. The second in four days. Matt spent one day in the hospital for a bacteria infection and was bed ridden for two days on a short week ( thurs night game). There are some who ask " what do you expect from a back up QB?" when discussing Weedens play. Well, i expect this type of performance.

Hard to expect the type of performance from Weeden or any backup QB that Hasselbeck provided the Colts last night because most backups don't have near the years of starting experience Hasselbeck has and haven't led a team to the SB. Hasselbeck has thrown for over 35,000 yards and was a very solid starting QB in the league for a number of years. It's hard to find QBs like him that are willing to play that long and settle for a backup job. Most QBs who've had pretty successful careers and played in the league a long time usually decide to hang it up once they get relegated to a backup job. Appears Hasselbeck is going to play as long as he can before having to get a normal job that probably won't pay near as well. Even backup QB money is pretty good.

The best backup QB play we've seen in Dallas since Steve Beuerlein and Bernie Kosar was by Jon Kitna who had a pretty successful NFL career as a starting QB. Kitna had played a lot of years and had some productive seasons. He was able to step in on a bad Cowboys team in 2010 and win some games. Experienced backup QB's who've had pretty successful careers have leadership skills and are able to step in and play very well a lot of times. Expecting Brandon Weeden who doesn't have near the experience or hasn't had near the career of a Matt Hasselbeck to step in and play as well as Hasselbeck did last night is asking way too much. With an experienced QB like Hasselbeck you don't have to limit your offense the Colts are able to attack defenses with Hasselbeck the same way they did with Luck.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I agree. I would be more inclined to agree with his critics if Weeden was out there throwing int giving the saints great field position but that is not the case. Evidently defense is playing great in their minds and this is all on Weeden.

I think people are going to be disappointed with Cassel because I think he'll probably do the same thing.

 

[jday]

Last night a 40 year old Matt Hasselback led the colts to a victory. The second in four days. Matt spent one day in the hospital for a bacteria infection and was bed ridden for two days on a short week ( thurs night game). There are some who ask " what do you expect from a back up QB?" when discussing Weedens play. Well, i expect this type of performance.

Me thinks the title should be changed to Matt Hasselback vs. every other backup in the league.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think people are going to be disappointed with Cassel because I think he'll probably do the same thing.

If past history is correct then your right. He has done well when limited and when he can rely on a quality defense. In 2008 for NE he had a top 10 defense Pats where not asking him to carry the team.

 

[Idgit]

you ever watch the muppets and the two old guys up in the balcony, waldorf and statler, their routine "hey that wasnt half bad" "yea, wasnt that good either" Thats Weeden.. For everything you can use to defend him, other people can say "yes, but heres this".

That's because he's not very good. Welcome to backup QB in the NFL.

People aren't so much defending Weeden in these threads in the first place. They're trying to help keep things in a relevant context. They guy can't handle pressure, he doesn't look anybody off. He doesn't process reads very quickly. He checks down to receivers who don't have a high likelihood of converting. He can't get you out of 2nd and 15, for the most part. He lacks touch over the middle. He's a very limited QB.

What he can do is stand in the pocket and get the ball our accurately. So far at least, he's avoided the really stupid turnover. The reads he does make tend to be open receivers, at least. It's a fairly short list.

Which is what happens when you lose your franchise QB. You get a guy who's really limited or, if you're even unluckier, you get a guy who can't do anything at all for you.

I don't like Weeden. I didn't want him as the backup going in. So far, I've been very happy with what we've gotten relative to what I expected, but that's because my expectations were very low. I'm not about to waste time ruing that he's not Matt Hasselback, though.

 

[Idgit]

I think people are going to be disappointed with Cassel because I think he'll probably do the same thing.

Matt Cassel isn't a legitimate upgrade, either. We're going to suck at QB until Romo comes back. If we're not turning the ball over in the passing game, I'm considering that a win.

 

[foofighters]

Weeden apologists run strong in this thread.

 

[Chuck 54]

Hasselback was a Pro-Bowl QB in this league. He led his team to Superbowl (which they got screwed on).

Not a lot of those kinds of guys floating around the league.

Yes, he is better that Weeden. He doesn't play for the Cowboys, however.

And he had some serious weapons on offense, along with a consistent running game last night.....makes a difference. That said, he also didn't put up any more points last night than Weeden put up against the undefeated Falcons. There's much more to rating a backup QB than just wins and losses. When your team is really good, the backup has a better chance to win. When your teams stinks....and let's make no mistake that without the franchise QB , WR, and no run game and not pass rush, the Cowboys stink....then it's tough on any backup.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Matt Cassel isn't a legitimate upgrade, either. We're going to suck at QB until Romo comes back. If we're not turning the ball over in the passing game, I'm considering that a win.

Yea I expected Weeden to be a turnover machine. He's exceeded my expectations. I don't think he's anything great but I don't know what you can expect from a backup especially when Dez isn't out there either. You can't compare him to Hassleback because he's the best backup out there right now.

 

[erod]

Last night a 40 year old Matt Hasselback led the colts to a victory. The second in four days. Matt spent one day in the hospital for a bacteria infection and was bed ridden for two days on a short week ( thurs night game). There are some who ask " what do you expect from a back up QB?" when discussing Weedens play. Well, i expect this type of performance.

Apples and oranges.

Hasselback was a bigtime quarterback in the NFL that took Seattle to the Super Bowl, and almost a second time. He was everything Brandon Weeden will never be, and he can still draw from that experience and ability for a few games.

 

[Chuck 54]

Oh so i see that some of you would actually prefer weeden over hasselbeck.
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haha...no way in hell...but Hasselbeck would not have led this group of bums to wins either....until we get Dez back or the run game starts performing, this team isn't going to win with any backup QB.

 

[robjay04]

Last night a 40 year old Matt Hasselback led the colts to a victory. The second in four days. Matt spent one day in the hospital for a bacteria infection and was bed ridden for two days on a short week ( thurs night game). There are some who ask " what do you expect from a back up QB?" when discussing Weedens play. Well, i expect this type of performance.

I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is a better comparison. Let's face it, Fitzpatrick is just not a very talented guy but he plays with so much heart and feeds his receivers the ball. At least to me, he seems like someone kind of like Kitna that a team could rally around, I am not the biggest Weeden critic but he does not seem like the kind of guy that a team will rally around.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Hard to expect the type of performance from Weeden or any backup QB that Hasselbeck provided the Colts last night because most backups don't have near the years of starting experience Hasselbeck has and haven't led a team to the SB. Hasselbeck has thrown for over 35,000 yards and was a very solid starting QB in the league for a number of years. It's hard to find QBs like him that are willing to play that long and settle for a backup job. Most QBs who've had pretty successful careers and played in the league a long time usually decide to hang it up once they get relegated to a backup job. Appears Hasselbeck is going to play as long as he can before having to get a normal job that probably won't pay near as well. Even backup QB money is pretty good.

The best backup QB play we've seen in Dallas since Steve Beuerlein and Bernie Kosar was by Jon Kitna who had a pretty successful NFL career as a starting QB. Kitna had played a lot of years and had some productive seasons. He was able to step in on a bad Cowboys team in 2010 and win some games. Experienced backup QB's who've had pretty successful careers have leadership skills and are able to step in and play very well a lot of times. Expecting Brandon Weeden who doesn't have near the experience or hasn't had near the career of a Matt Hasselbeck to step in and play as well as Hasselbeck did last night is asking way too much. With an experienced QB like Hasselbeck you don't have to limit your offense the Colts are able to attack defenses with Hasselbeck the same way they did with Luck.

Good stuff! Kyle Orton was pretty good too. He was a strong backup. I think if we still had him we would be 4-0 currently. Orton has all the tools necessary

 

[Idgit]

Yea I expected Weeden to be a turnover machine. He's exceeded my expectations. I don't think he's anything great but I don't know what you can expect from a backup especially when Dez isn't out there either. You can't compare him to Hassleback because he's the best backup out there right now.

The one pick he did throw...that's what I was expecting every time he gets pressure in his face. So far, he's avoided that. If that means a check down on 3rd and 26, I"m remarkably ok with that. Especially, as you say, with Dez out.

Now, that drive in NOLA has me thinking he could maybe be even more effective if we empty the backfield out some more, as long as we give him an outlet in Beasley or Lucky or with one of the RBs. I'm sort of scared to see what happens with that, because I think we're going to have to try it v. New England the way they score points. Any game plan that has us airing it out right now is terrifying.

 

[Sasquatch]

Matt Cassel isn't a legitimate upgrade, either. We're going to suck at QB until Romo comes back. If we're not turning the ball over in the passing game, I'm considering that a win.

Before the season, if you took a poll asking if people would be satisfied with a 24 points per game average with Weeden at the helm, I'm guessing you would have had a fairly high percentage of responses in the affirmative. That doesn't necessarily mean I think Weeden is awesome or is the best option at backup QB, only that my expectation, proven completely false, would have been that the team should be able to pull out a victory with that kind of offensive production.