Mavs/Heat Finals thread

[YosemiteSam]

LOL @ the NBA calling a travel on the biggest star in the league! I still believe the NBA refs are more corrupt than FIFA

I am no longer an NBA fan because of the corruption. It's not just the refs, it's the entire NBA front office. It is literally a form of organized crime.

 

[DFWJC]

I am no longer an NBA fan because of the corruption. It's not just the refs, it's the entire NBA front office. It is literally a form of organized crime.

Hate to re-open old wounds...
I watched some of the replay of the 2006 series. It was dumbfounding.

The Mavs did blow that third game (which would have been the series right there) but I had forgotten how close 3 of the next four games were.

Two (of maybe 20-25) obvious calls reminded me of how frustrating I was back then:

1) Mavs lead by 1 point in Game 5 with 1 second and the ref calls a phanthom call on Dirk to give Miami the win on the free throw line. No arm or upper body contact and maybe minor contact (hip rub) as Wade drives head down to the hoop--knowing he will get any call.
That is a call that is NEVER made....especially in that situation.

2) Mavs losing by 1 in Game 6 in Dallas and Terry comes around a short screen for the 15 foot winner. A Miami player his yanking on his jersey so hard that the jersey stretches out from his body about 1 1/2 feet! Blantant foul...almost on purpose to prevent the gimme shot. No call. The off-balance shot misses. Game over.

Those are two wins right there without even counting the game 3 fiasco.

Anyway...the past is the past.

Mavs in 7!

 

[YosemiteSam]

Hate to re-open old wounds...
I watched some of the replay of the 2006 series. It was dumbfounding.

The Mavs did blow that third game (which would have been the series right there) but I had forgotten how close 3 of the next four games were.

Two (of maybe 20-25) obvious calls reminded me of how frustrating I was back then:

1) Mavs lead by 1 point in Game 5 with 1 second and the ref calls a phanthom call on Dirk to give Miami the win on the free throw line. No arm or upper body contact and maybe minor contact (hip rub) as Wade drives head down to the hoop--knowing he will get any call.
That is a call that is NEVER made....especially in that situation.

2) Mavs losing by 1 in Game 6 in Dallas and Terry comes around a short screen for the 15 foot winner. A Miami player his yanking on his jersey so hard that the jersey stretches out from his body about 1 1/2 feet! Blantant foul...almost on purpose to prevent the gimme shot. No call. The off-balance shot misses. Game over.

Those are two wins right there without even counting the game 3 fiasco.

Anyway...the past is the past.

Mavs in 7!

Funny thing is, I wasn't a fan in 2006. My hatred of the NBA was actually born out of a seed planeted in the 2002 WCF between the Lakers and Kings. (two teams I have zero love for) The NBA robbed the Kings of a trip to the NBA finals because they couldn't allow the finals to have Chris Webber and Vlade Divac instead of the NBA's biggest superstars at the time in Kobe and Shaq. The Kings had the Lakers beaten until the NBA decided that wasn't acceptable.

That is where it was born and by 2005 my NBA fandom was already dead. The superstar players getting phantom foul calls and non-superstar players getting blatantly robbed. (both being called or not getting calls against superstars)

I will say that while I only watched a single game in the 2006 playoffs (NBA finals game 5 I believe), I did pay attention to the wins and losses. Especially once they (Mavs) got to the finals. (if someone has to win, I would want the Mavs and Dirk to win) This year, I haven't watched a single game though. My wife watches it and I've watched small parts of it when we are in the room together, but I have never seen even a full quarter of a game this year except when I went to see games live with my wife. (she wanted to go, so I took her to them)

 

[Temo]

I am no longer an NBA fan because of the corruption. It's not just the refs, it's the entire NBA front office. It is literally a form of organized crime.

No, it's not.

 

[YosemiteSam]

No, it's not.

You're a damn fool if you think otherwise. It's not a big stretch to come across damn fools on the Internet.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Okay, before you open this link I recommend you sit down. These are the FT stats from the NBA this postseason.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/differential/sort/freeThrowsAttemptedDifference

Miami has shot 133 more FTs than their opponents this postseason, an NBA record for an ENTIRE postseason and we're only through three rounds.

That is absolutely stunning

 

[YosemiteSam]

Okay, before you open this link I recommend you sit down. These are the FT stats from the NBA this postseason.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/differential/sort/freeThrowsAttemptedDifference

Miami has shot 133 more FTs than their opponents this postseason, an NBA record for an ENTIRE postseason and we're only through three rounds.

That is absolutely stunning

This is the NBA and LeBron and Wade are today's Kobe and Shaq. Absolutely nothing stunning about it. It's what the NBA does. It's what organized crime does. Influence the outcome of everything using pressure from points that they control. In the NBA's case, it's the refs. Look at the 2002 WCF between the Lakers and Kings. No way the NBA was going to allow the Kings to keep Shaq and Kobe out of the NBA Finals.

 

[mldardy]

Funny thing is, I wasn't a fan in 2006. My hatred of the NBA was actually born out of a seed planeted in the 2002 WCF between the Lakers and Kings. (two teams I have zero love for) The NBA robbed the Kings of a trip to the NBA finals because they couldn't allow the finals to have Chris Webber and Vlade Divac instead of the NBA's biggest superstars at the time in Kobe and Shaq. The Kings had the Lakers beaten until the NBA decided that wasn't acceptable.

That is where it was born and by 2005 my NBA fandom was already dead. The superstar players getting phantom foul calls and non-superstar players getting blatantly robbed. (both being called or not getting calls against superstars)

I will say that while I only watched a single game in the 2006 playoffs (NBA finals game 5 I believe), I did pay attention to the wins and losses. Especially once they (Mavs) got to the finals. (if someone has to win, I would want the Mavs and Dirk to win) This year, I haven't watched a single game though. My wife watches it and I've watched small parts of it when we are in the room together, but I have never seen even a full quarter of a game this year except when I went to see games live with my wife. (she wanted to go, so I took her to them)

I partly agree with this but the Kings blew some opportunities in that series. They had a huge lead in Game 4 and let it get away and then couldn't get a rebound to secure the win and let Robert Horry beat them at the buzzer. Again in Game 7, the Kings choked in the 4th and overtime. I remember Peja, Webber, and Christie missing shots badly in that game. The Kings had plenty of opportunities to close out the Lakers in that series and didn't.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I partly agree with this but the Kings blew some opportunities in that series. They had a huge lead in Game 4 and let it get away and then couldn't get a rebound to secure the win and let Robert Horry beat them at the buzzer. Again in Game 7, the Kings choked in the 4th and overtime. I remember Peja, Webber, and Christie missing shots badly in that game. The Kings had plenty of opportunities to close out the Lakers in that series and didn't.

They were also being called for bs fouls. That kind of crap alters your play. The Kings were clearly the better team in that series, yet they where beat not by the Lakers, but by the refs.

 

[The30YardSlant]

This is the NBA and LeBron and Wade are today's Kobe and Shaq. Absolutely nothing stunning about it. It's what the NBA does. It's what organized crime does. Influence the outcome of everything using pressure from points that they control. In the NBA's case, it's the refs. Look at the 2002 WCF between the Lakers and Kings. No way the NBA was going to allow the Kings to keep Shaq and Kobe out of the NBA Finals.

But ONE-HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE more FTs through 15 postseason games?!?! That's almost nine more FTs PER GAME. The Mavericks outshot their opponents from the line by nine or more just eight times all season, including the playoffs.

Several teams have played nearly twice as many postseaosn games in a given year as the Heat have this year and not come close to 133 more FTs. The Bulls, through all their title runs with Jordan and Pippen, never outshot their opponents by more than 104 FTs over the course of one postseason. The Kobe/Shaq Lakers never shot more than 118 more, and that's including the year when Shaq had FOUR 25+ FTs games in one postseaosn.

 

[YosemiteSam]

But ONE-HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE more FTs through 15 postseason games?!?! That's almost nine more FTs PER GAME. The Mavericks outshot their opponents from the line by nine or more just eight times all season, including the playoffs.

Several teams have played nearly twice as many postseaosn games in a given year as the Heat have this year and not come close to 133 more FTs. The Bulls, through all their title runs with Jordan and Pippen, never outshot their opponents by more than 104 FTs over the course of one postseason. The Kobe/Shaq Lakers never shot more than 118 more, and that's including the year when Shaq had FOUR 25+ FTs games in one postseaosn.

Hey, thats why I hate the NBA. Players like Wade and LeBron can do no wrong while everyone else suffers with foul trouble.

Wade and James are some of the most physically active players on both offense and defense and yet Wade was ranked as the 75th highest in fouls per game at 2.6 while playing 37.1 minutes per game (16thin minutes per game) and LeBron was ranked 183 in fouls per game at 2.1 average at 38.8 minutes per game (6th in the league minutes per game).

2010-2011 Fouls per game stats

2010-2011 Minutes per game stats

Physical players who play the most minutes in the league and are WAY WAY WAY down the totem pole for fouls in a game. I understand some players foul more than others, but give me a freaking break. LeBron is 260lbs, big strong, and extremely physical. Plays the 6th most minutes in the game and is 186th in fouls per game? That is a freaking joke.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Hey, thats why I hate the NBA. Players like Wade and LeBron can do no wrong while everyone else suffers with foul trouble.

Wade and James are some of the most physically active players on both offense and defense and yet Wade was ranked as the 75th highest in fouls per game at 2.6 while playing 37.1 minutes per game (16thin minutes per game) and LeBron was ranked 183 in fouls per game at 2.1 average at 38.8 minutes per game (6th in the league minutes per game).

2010-2011 Fouls per game stats

2010-2011 Minutes per game stats

Physical players who play the most minutes in the league and are WAY WAY WAY down the totem pole for fouls in a game. I understand some players foul more than others, but give me a freaking break. LeBron is 260lbs, big strong, and extremely physical. Plays the 6th most minutes in the game and is 186th in fouls per game? That is a freaking joke.

My biggest issue that any time there is contact, a foul is called regardless of who initiated it. Lebron james is 6'8", 260. If he drives to the basket, there will be contact. It is unavoidable. A man that big moving that fast isnt going to go through untouched. Much of the time though, it is Lebron who initiates the contact by leaning into or bumping the defender, and that IS NOT a foul, nor is it a foul if you catch one of his fingers on an otherwise clean block as the hand is considered part of the ball on layup/dunk attempts.

 

[mldardy]

They were also being called for bs fouls. That kind of crap alters your play. The Kings were clearly the better team in that series, yet they where beat not by the Lakers, but by the refs.

I agree with you. The Kings were the better team. I am just pointing out that the Kings choked at two critical times when they couldn't afford to. They needed to be close to perfect to win those games and they weren't.

 

[CATCH17]

They were also being called for bs fouls. That kind of crap alters your play. The Kings were clearly the better team in that series, yet they where beat not by the Lakers, but by the refs.

Yes. I hated the Kings but that was rediculous.

 

[MC KAos]

So, game 1 is pretty huge IMO

 

[The30YardSlant]

So, game 1 is pretty huge IMO

All Dallas needs to do is win one of the two in Miami. Their chances of winning the series don't go down appreciably if Miami wins tonight, however if Miami loses tonight game 2 becomes a must win.

 

[DFWJC]

All Dallas needs to do is win one of the two in Miami. Their chances of winning the series don't go down appreciably if Miami wins tonight, however if Miami loses tonight game 2 becomes a must win.

Right on.

 

[Alumni2k11]

Go Mavs.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Exactly what I'm talking about. Lebron leans into Dirk, flails his body out and gets the call.

 

[jimmy40]

the freaking announcers trying to justify bad calls is 10 times worse than the bad calls. I understand the ex coaches that want to coach again doing it but damn.