Maybe we are not as bad as we thought.

[Bach]

Jerry went out and got some very good talent on this team I have no issue with Jerry. I don't agree with all the moves such as Pacman or TO as far as that goes but I expect the GM to go out and sign talented players Jerry has done that.

We had a couple of good drafts recently, which is a plus. But the core of this team was built by Parcells the four years he was here.

The problem right now isn't so much horrible personnel moves which greatly attributed to the fall leading up the Campo fiasco. The main problem now is Jerry hiring another soft HC and undermining him on top of it by not giving him total control over his staff and players and by fostering a circus-like atmosphere.

It takes personnel, a good coaching staff and team chemistry. Jerry apparently doesn't believe in the last two.

 

[Daudr]

After two years of getting sucked into believing we could over-come our lack of attitude in December I won't be fooled again. Even if we go 12-0 to start the season, I will not get my hopes up until we win at least 2 games in December against good teams.

 

[Venger]

It sucks losing... ever, under any circumstance.

Going 9-7 is so far from acceptable it isn't even funny.

All that said this 9-7 looks a whole lot better after today's games.
2 of the teams who beat us won going away.

If you are keeping score at home that means Dallas faced 7 games against teams who made it week 2 of the NFL playoffs.

Out of a 16 week schedule that is flatly ridiculous.

This is called rationalization. It's what abused wives do.

Note, that the Eagles also played... the Ravens, Steelers, Cardinals, Giants... the same as the Cowboys, except the Eagles cannot play and thus list themselves. Same goes for the Giants, plus they played Carolina. The only difference is that the Eagles and Giants can't count the Cowboys, cause we didn't make it...

Winners win. Losers tell you why they didn't win.

 

[Doomsday101]

We had a couple of good drafts recently, which is a plus. But the core of this team was built by Parcells the four years he was here.

The problem right now isn't so much horrible personnel moves which greatly attributed to the fall leading up the Campo fiasco. The main problem now is Jerry hiring another soft HC and undermining him on top of it by not giving him total control over his staff and players and by fostering a circus-like atmosphere.

It takes personnel, a good coaching staff and team chemistry. Jerry apparently doesn't believe in the last two.

Jerry was doing nothing different than he did when BP was here. Jerry was just as active and Jerry had as much say then as he does now. Even BP talked about the drafting process when he was here and Jones still had the final say. Jones, Parcells and Ireland would get together and is some cased Parcells was over ruled

 

[Bach]

Jerry was doing nothing different than he did when BP was here. Jerry was just as active and Jerry had as much say then as he does now. Even BP talked about the drafting process when he was here and Jones still had the final say. Jones, Parcells and Ireland would get together and is some cased Parcells was over ruled

Nothing different?

He didn't micromanage BP's staff for him and hire assistants like he has done with Wade and did with Switzer, Gailey and Campo.

BP, along with Ireland, had virtual control over the draft and the majority of FA signings. You really think Jerry orchestrated all of the signings of former Parcells players? Now did Jerry sign off on all these signings and picks? Yep. Just like he did when Jimmy was here. But Jerry was not making the initial decisions, he was signing off on someone else's decision, unlike now and in the years in between Jimmy and Parcells.

 

[Doomsday101]

Nothing different?

He didn't micromanage BP's staff for him and hire assistants like he has done with Wade and did with Switzer, Gailey and Campo.

BP, along with Ireland, had virtual control over the draft and the majority of FA signings. You really think Jerry orchestrated all of the signings of former Parcells players? Now did Jerry sign off on all these signings and picks? Yep. Just like he did when Jimmy was here. But Jerry was making the initial decisions, he was signing off on someone else's decision, unlike now and in the years in between Jimmy and Parcells.

Jerry brought in Garrett but he also retained Mike Zimmer when BP was here. BP did not bring Zimmer in he was already on staff. Other than Garrett Wade has pretty much brought his own people in and it appears the ST coach Dallas is looking at Joe DeCamillis is a guy who worked under Wade before. As for the draft I go by what BP himself has said openly when he was here It was a group effort and he did not always get his way. Jerry is the GM and he has final say like it or not

 

[bbgun]

Nothing different?

He didn't micromanage BP's staff for him and hire assistants like he has done with Wade and did with Switzer, Gailey and Campo.

BP, along with Ireland, had virtual control over the draft and the majority of FA signings. You really think Jerry orchestrated all of the signings of former Parcells players? Now did Jerry sign off on all these signings and picks? Yep. Just like he did when Jimmy was here. But Jerry was not making the initial decisions, he was signing off on someone else's decision, unlike now and in the years in between Jimmy and Parcells.

But we all know that TO wasn't Bill's idea, which makes me wonder just how powerful or autonomous he really was.

 

[bbgun]

Partially. That part of the GMs responsibilities however does not end at simply getting skilled players. It is getting the right skilled players to fit in.

How many years did we sit back and laugh at Daniel Snyder for going after the likes of Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith without regard as to how his staff could handle so many egos to feed? Yet we feel satisfied when Jones does basically the same thing? What is the difference? When you add in the fact those like Johnson and Jones were known character concerns, it makes it even worse.

Yes, with each passing year, our "case" for ridiculing Snyder becomes weaker and weaker. Regrettably, he and Jerry are two sides of the same coin.

 

[Bach]

Jerry brought in Garrett but he also retained Mike Zimmer when BP was here. BP did not bring Zimmer in he was already on staff. Other than Garrett Wade has pretty much brought his own people in and it appears the ST coach Dallas is looking at Joe DeCamillis is a guy who worked under Wade before. As for the draft I go by what BP himself has said openly when he was here It was a group effort and he did not always get his way. Jerry is the GM and he has final say like it or not

Zimmer was a hold over. No one new was brought in on BP's staff that BP didn't bring here himself.

Since then, Garrett was hired before Wade was. Jerry also hired Campo and Houck, so you're facts are wrong.

As for personnel, I don't know what you don't understand about having the final say and making the initial decision? It's not a complicated concept to grasp. BP made the majority of the personnel decisions when he was here. Jerry just rubberstamped them. Same thing happened when Jimmy was the HC.

Sorry if you fail to grasp that or choose not to.

 

[Doomsday101]

Zimmer was a hold over. No one new was brought in on BP's staff that BP didn't bring here himself.

Since then, Garrett was hired before Wade was. Jerry also hired Campo and Houck, so you're facts are wrong.

As for personnel, I don't know what you don't understand about having the final say and making the initial decision? It's not a complicated concept to grasp. BP made the majority of the personnel decisions when he was here. Jerry just rubberstamped them. Same thing happened when Jimmy was the HC.

Sorry if you fail to grasp that or choose not to.

Sorry if you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about Yes Zimmer was already on staff and remained as for Garrett being hired so what? that does not indicate Wade has been given no power when all the other hires have been with people who have worked with Wade in the past. Jerry did not give up power when BP was here and was in on all moves the team made this was said by all those involved. BP sure as hell did not bring in TO and BP did get over ruled in some cases as Ireland and other members of the scouting department were given more say hell Ireland himself was in Dallas well before BP. Please keep the crying up it is almost funny watching you try to put the puzzle together almost as funny as watching a monkey trying to have sex with a football, he will never get it and evidently neither will you.

 

[Bach]

Sorry if you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about Yes Zimmer was already on staff and remained as for Garrett being hired so what? that does not indicate Wade has been given no power when all the other hires have been with people who have worked with Wade in the past. Jerry did not give up power when BP was here and was in on all moves the team made this was said by all those involved. BP sure as hell did not bring in TO and BP did get over ruled in some cases as Ireland and other members of the scouting department were given more say hell Ireland himself was in Dallas well before BP. Please keep the crying up it is almost funny watching you try to put the puzzle together almost as funny as watching a monkey trying to have sex with a football, he will never get it and evidently neither will you.

The extent some will go to defend Jerry is comical.

Trying to act like BP didn't have any more control than the likes of Wade and Campo is definitely funny. I doubt you can even convince yourself of that with a straight face.

Acting like Zimmer staying here is the same as Jerry hiring an OC from outside before he had a HC is ludicrous. Not to mention that he also was the one who brought in Campo and Houck. But hey, why let the HC have control over his staff when Jerry thinks he knows best. Too bad that just leads to some people being more loyal to Jerry than the HC when push comes to shove. As well as the players not having full respect for the HC since they see he isn't really in charge.

It's also rather comical that you think Jerry controlled the personnel when BP was here. I guess it was Jerry's idea to bring in all those former Jets and Patriots players that used to play for Parcells. What a coincidence. That was mighty insightful of Jerry to consider bringing in all of those former players that used to play for Bill. Good thinking. :laugh2:

Jerry did bring in TO, so that must mean he controlled all the personnel decisons. Yep, Doomsday, you got it all figured out. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[jobberone]

Campo and Houck both appear to be back to the future or just back to the 'good' ole days. I don't like the way our DBs don't look for the ball or even watch the QB at all. And I don't like the way the OL performed.

Maybe it's just injuries and the wrong plays at the wrong time for the OL. And maybe I don't know what the heck I'm talking about as far as the DBs are concerned. But the play speaks for itself as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think Houck and Campo were good hires. JMO.

 

[Alexander]

Campo and Houck both appear to be back to the future or just back to the 'good' ole days. I don't like the way our DBs don't look for the ball or even watch the QB at all. And I don't like the way the OL performed.

Maybe it's just injuries and the wrong plays at the wrong time for the OL. And maybe I don't know what the heck I'm talking about as far as the DBs are concerned. But the play speaks for itself as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think Houck and Campo were good hires. JMO.

Of course, if DeCamillis doesn't work out, we can just have Joe Avezzano back and then people can indulge themselves in the fantasy that Jerry Jones doesn't exercise his will in terms of assistant coaching hires.

 

[Chief]

Of course, if DeCamillis doesn't work out, we can just have Joe Avezzano back and then people can indulge themselves in the fantasy that Jerry Jones doesn't exercise his will in terms of assistant coaching hires.

I've been away for a few days and didn't realize he was on the radar. I don't if he's that great, but I sure wanted his father-in-law as the head coach last time.

 

[Alexander]

I've been away for a few days and didn't realize he was on the radar. I don't if he's that great, but I sure wanted his father-in-law as the head coach last time.

Reeves? I'd be too scared he'd have a heart attack or something.

But apparently it is down to DeCamillis (a real coup) or Kevin O'Dea of the Jets (a real poop).

 

[AbeBeta]

Cowboys fans, circa 2008

How low we have fallen...now being like Arizona, Cinci or Atlanta is acceptable

Didn't say that at all. A team the fights every game is never going to be a loser. You can win 13 games in a season but if you have no fight in you when it matters, then you might as well be Cinci.

 

[redskins1]

Agreed. It's a lame way to make one's self feel better - but if it works for some, so be it.

We're simply not as good as advertised and trying to ease the pain by the results of this weekends games is misguided.

 

[Macnalty]

It sucks losing... ever, under any circumstance.

Going 9-7 is so far from acceptable it isn't even funny.

All that said this 9-7 looks a whole lot better after today's games.
2 of the teams who beat us won going away.

If you are keeping score at home that means Dallas faced 7 games against teams who made it week 2 of the NFL playoffs.

Out of a 16 week schedule that is flatly ridiculous.

Can I have some of that Koolaid?
The team I saw playing was just running through the motions, it could be my widescreen slows them down some.