Mayowa Benched

[Kaiser]

We missed the boat in free agency at DE in my book!

I think its similar to the strategy for the RB position in 2015, they thought they would get a guy in the draft but were OK with the fallback options. In this case the fallback options have been a mixed bag.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I think its similar to the strategy for the RB position in 2015, they thought they would get a guy in the draft but were OK with the fallback options. In this case the fallback options have been a mixed bag.

In this case the fallback options are not good enough but I do like the improved tackling and secondary play.

Our Dline does play hard but we need proven and more draft talent added to this mix.

 

[gmoney112]

Haven't read the whole convo but Bosa is better than Benson, pretty significantly, and he's a rookie.

Did he justify his draft pick? Probably not. Will he? Who knows. Did we pick the right guy? Yep.

Was Benson a poor signing? Right now, it's looking like he was a complete waste, but he did just turn 25, apparently has some physical talent, and we do have the best DL coach in the league(okay, he's up there regardless of how you feel about Rod). I wouldn't rely on him by any means, but he's still got a chance.

 

[Nightman]

Haven't read the whole convo but Bosa is better than Benson, pretty significantly, and he's a rookie.

Did he justify his draft pick? Probably not. Will he? Who knows. Did we pick the right guy? Yep.

Was Benson a poor signing? Right now, it's looking like he was a complete waste, but he did just turn 25, apparently has some physical talent, and we do have the best DL coach in the league(okay, he's up there regardless of how you feel about Rod). I wouldn't rely on him by any means, but he's still got a chance.

How can you say complete waste for 1.8m and he already has 2 sacks and a handful of pressures

He was able to step in when DLaw ad Gregory were suspended and we did more than just survive......RDavis just might be a little better and that is a good thing

 

[LocimusPrime]

Jerry had some people sold in mayowa and Russell. Luckily I'm a Jedi, saw right through him I did.

Ima call it right now, don't count on tapper doing anything.

 

[gmoney112]

How can you say complete waste for 1.8m and he already has 2 sacks and a handful of pressures

He was able to step in when DLaw ad Gregory were suspended and we did more than just survive......RDavis just might be a little better and that is a good thing

Sorry, complete waste was a little strong. It wasn't 1.8 million, that's his cap hit for this season. He was guaranteed 3 million before he played a snap. If he's on the roster next year that will be 5.2 million we paid over two years with an extra mill we'd be eating on his bonus if we decide to cut him after next year. 6.2 million for two years isn't exactly a bargain

Could be worse though, and he has played decent in some games. Definitely not a "complete waste", and he's just now hitting his prime really. I know they wanted to hedge the risk, but I think there were better options for a little more money.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So "every pundit" is now one NFL.com article, one fan site and the Boston Bruins beat writer?

The NFL.com article was prior to his last two games, I don't see a lot beyond what you posted, much less a consensus about Bosa.

It was a manner of speaking. The NFL article is a conglomerate of all their writers. He didn't get all of them but he did get about 3 of 4.

Point is that he is the favorite. Have anything showing where he is not? Basically all you have at this point is sack totals where you try and use confirmation bias to reduce his total.

 

[jrumann59]

isnt selvie unemployed

 

[Carson]

isnt selvie unemployed

He is. But after just 1 sack last year, not sure there is a market for him.

 

[theebs]

He was inactive for one game.

pretty sure he will be active again during the season, people get carried away.

 

[speedkilz88]

Lack of strength is definitely his problem. He has a good burst but can't finish because he can't disengage and can't Bull-rush.

Marinelli's scheme and coaching is a little odd in that he really does not like DE to rush wide and deep into the backfield (The DWare style). He likes them to go more straight at the OT (Not actually straight at him, but more so than many pass rushers). The trade-off is that he allows them to pass rush immediately and not read-and-react to play the run. By not rushing wide and deep it keeps them more in line to defend the run despite coming off the ball as if they are pass rushing.

Having said the above, he does give them a full go occasionally on 3rd and long.

The end result of this style is that speed rushers can struggle. Marinelli's DEs need some power especially with their hands and Mayowa just doesn't have that type of strength/power.

It makes me wonder if a drug-free Randy Gregory would struggle in this scheme also. IIRC he did struggle when he played.

Mayowa is listed at 6-3, 240.

Ryan Davis is listed at 6-2, 260 (He looks bigger and probably is considering that he was played DT in the past).

All of the other DEs are 270 and over.

During the games they list Mayowa at 265

 

[Kaiser]

It was a manner of speaking. The NFL article is a conglomerate of all their writers. He didn't get all of them but he did get about 3 of 4.

Point is that he is the favorite. Have anything showing where he is not? Basically all you have at this point is sack totals where you try and use confirmation bias to reduce his total.

You are one of my favorites here but I find this post funny, mostly on the criticism that I have confirmation bias (I do, as you do, as does every football fan alive).

So taking out a fan blog in Denver and a hockey beat writer, what you are posting is 15 opinions on an NFL.com article. It doesn't have 3 out of 4 picking him, it has 8 out of 15 (confirmation bias!). It was posted right after Bosa had finished his fourth game with two of them being 2 sack games for Bosa so its not a stretch to think they are going off his sack totals in making their picks.

After that article ran, he has two games of no sacks and one tackle each. So the short answer is, yes I'll take a bet on him winning Defensive Rookie of the Year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are one of my favorites here but I find this post funny, mostly on the criticism that I have confirmation bias (I do, as you do, as does every football fan alive).

So taking out a fan blog in Denver and a hockey beat writer, what you are posting is 15 opinions on an NFL.com article. It doesn't have 3 out of 4 picking him, it has 8 out of 15 (confirmation bias!). It was posted right after Bosa had finished his fourth game with two of them being 2 sack games for Bosa so its not a stretch to think they are going off his sack totals in making their picks.

After that article ran, he has two games of no sacks and one tackle each. So the short answer is, yes I'll take a bet on him winning Defensive Rookie of the Year.

I may show confirmation bias but I actively try not to. This notion that it is just expected is 'funny' to me too.

The NFL article had Bosa with 8 and no one else had more than 2. The NESN guy writes on all NE sports.

Nicholas Goss is an assistant editor in NESN’s new media department. Prior to joining NESN, the Suffolk University alum was an NHL and Boston Bruins columnist for Bleacher Report and a reporter for the Boston Globe.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/authors/nick-goss/

You still have nothing contrary but empty stat lines which you know very well is an awful way to analyze DL play.

As PFF stated he still got 5 pressures the past two games and opened things up for his teammates. You would have it seem he played poorly.

 

[Nightman]

You are one of my favorites here but I find this post funny, mostly on the criticism that I have confirmation bias (I do, as you do, as does every football fan alive).

So taking out a fan blog in Denver and a hockey beat writer, what you are posting is 15 opinions on an NFL.com article. It doesn't have 3 out of 4 picking him, it has 8 out of 15 (confirmation bias!). It was posted right after Bosa had finished his fourth game with two of them being 2 sack games for Bosa so its not a stretch to think they are going off his sack totals in making their picks.

After that article ran, he has two games of no sacks and one tackle each. So the short answer is, yes I'll take a bet on him winning Defensive Rookie of the Year.

Jalen Ramsey is looking good

Nice takedown on FL btw

 

[CxC1993]

Echoing others here, but I hope the Cowboys prioritize getting pass rushers in the offseason.

 

[jrumann59]

He is. But after just 1 sack last year, not sure there is a market for him.

At least he has a track record of 8 sacks in this system, he cant be worse than what we have.

 

[tyke1doe]

No, I meant prayer as in, praying a guy who had two career sacks as a backup would somehow be productive

Ok.

 

[Kaiser]

I may show confirmation bias but I actively try not to.

Ummm, you realize that is the definition of confirmation bias, right?

 

[Kaiser]

You would have it seem he played poorly.

Actually what I have said is that he was overdrafted, which I still believe and nothing has disproven that. And that Ogbah will end up being a better player in time, which remains to be seen.

I've said consistently Bosa was worth being drafted in the first round but not in the top ten, much less top three.

 

[Kaiser]

Jalen Ramsey is looking good

Nice takedown on FL btw

It will take time to see how the defensive players develop and validate their draft status. I thought Ramsey was going to be our pick at the time, thank God they took Zeke.