Mazi supreme disappointment

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I see either of them easily starting if Tyron got hurt (which will happen). Easily replacing Zack Martin when he retires and playing other spots until that happens. The OL will be in shambles if we lose one starter. I'd rather have the depth on the OL with a can't miss future starter as opposed to Mazi (as it stands now). Just hoping Mazi doesn't turn out to be Taco Part II.
 

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We talking about a 1tech DT.

Jordan Davis was hyped last year and then sort of went back to earth during the season. Probably the same with Mazi. As long as he can clog the lanes/eat two blockers that’s all we need his rookie year.
It's because the 1T skillset is entirely irrelevant in the NFL. It does not matter. Modern offenses use movement, and a 1T who can't get off the ball and penetrate is useless. There's no such thing as an effective two-gap player in the NFL. A DT who can't line up in a gap and capture leverage on the shoulder of one of the OL in that gap is useless. Cowboys fans have convinced themselves that a different, dated skillset is not only valuable, but effective. It is the farthest thing from the true. A player who is simply looking to line up right across from an OL to stack and shed is always going to lose.

Mazi will be effective as a passrusher if they can get him in 1-1 situations where all he has to do is bull rush. He will never be the sort of player who singlehandedly destroys run games, because it does not exist. The third play defeats any DT who does not penetrate the gap off the snap, doesn't matter if they are 400 lbs and can squat a house.
 

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I see either of them easily starting if Tyron got hurt (which will happen). Easily replacing Zack Martin when he retires and playing other spots until that happens. The OL will be in shambles if we lose one starter. I'd rather have the depth on the OL with a can't miss future starter as opposed to Mazi (as it stands now). Just hoping Mazi doesn't turn out to be Taco Part II.
So not starting though? There’s no can’t miss OL prospects at that point in the draft
 

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Exactly, and it can take a NT time to develop. I think everyone will be happy to have him by the end of the season. But one thing everyone is going to have to remember is that he's not going to get a lot of sacks. He's a NT. His the middle. job is to clog the middle and make sure the RB has as little room to run up the middle as possible.
No one is expecting sacks from him. The issue is he is not clogging the middle. He is being easily moved wherever the OL want to take him. There were gapping holes for the RB in Seattle just like there has been in years past. He is at least supposed to hold his ground even when double teamed so that the LBers can flow cleanly to the ball. He isn’t doing it often enough for the draft capital spent on him. It is foolish to call him a bust after 2 preseason games but it’s equally foolish to act like there should be no concern. He was supposed to be strong enough to be NFL ready to at least hold his ground. Instead he looks like he’s on roller skates much of the time.
 

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I don't really buy that it was Bergeron, because Harrison is a clone of Tyler Smith.

Either way, OL was a much better pick there than Mazi.
I mean, you’ve got you versus Dan Quinn. Idk I tend to go his direction. They can’t draft OL in the first every year and they 100% were arguing Bergeron. There’s actual evidence but that’s not nearly as valuable to me as baseless speculation
 

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The Cowboys should have done what they’ve been doing for years and ignore the 3 tech DT and continue to get torched by opposing RBs up the middle…
Nobody said a good 1Tech shouldn't have been a priority
 

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I mean, you’ve got you versus Dan Quinn. Idk I tend to go his direction. They can’t draft OL in the first every year and they 100% were arguing Bergeron. There’s actual evidence but that’s not nearly as valuable to me as baseless speculation
There is no evidence, just speculation. In any case, either of the OL would have been the smarter pick.

Quinn doesn't get the deciding vote. McClay might have gone with him, but it's the wrong logic. DQ thinks he can be a passrusher, but that's not what he ever had on tape.
 

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You just said they would not.

Smith Smith Biadasz Martin Steele

Which draft pick is pushing these guys out?
I would've moved Smith to RT so Steele has more time to recoup, then Avila starts at LG. When Steele is ready, he becomes the swing tackle to spell Tyron. Steele is not all world. Smith has already proven he can play multiple positions.
 

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I mean, how many people were clamoring more a 1 technique for how many years? Curious if the OP was one of those? I’m not a scout and I don’t know what will happen with Mazi, but the team putting resources in an area that I wanted is all I can ask for.
The OP didn't indicate he didn't want the team to get a 1 tech, he just said he isn't seeing much to be excited about in this particular 1 tech.

Of course we are all happy to see the team put resources into the position, but that doesn't automatically make the choice they made a good one.

All this said, I'm not condemning Smith as a failed pick. I'll give it time and see how things develop. I do, however, see what the OP is seeing at this point. He doesn't have to be a finished product, but so far I'm not seeing the basic strength/athleticism combination he is supposed to have.
 
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I would've moved Smith to RT so Steele has more time to recoup, then Avila starts at LG. When Steele is ready, he becomes the swing tackle to spell Tyron. Steele is not all world. Smith has already proven he can play multiple positions.
None of them would be a starter. Smith is a left side guy. Steele is very good, has not had any issues returning, and much better than any of the draft picks. Your plan would actively make the team worse just so you could be right about something you never even considered. Trust me they spent much more time than the five seconds you put into it to try to make your point look correct
 

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Lots of folks are commenting about Mazi's lack quickness off the ball, but if you watch his college tape, it was the same then. Given his physical characteristics one would think he would flash at the snap. Not necessarily demonstrate lateral quickness but engage his opponent quicker. In the B10 he could make up for a delayed initial burst by using his strength to hold the point of attack.

I've heard interior lineman discuss the learned process of snap anticipation and the implementation of other various techniques that give the a elite players valuable tenths of seconds advantages that really allow them to utilize their physical gifts. I'm sure these things are being drilled with Mazi, and I hope he's capable of being a good study. If he's not, he'll continue to work harder than necessary to win a few battles and exert more energy than necessary while losing his fair share.
 

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None of them would be a starter. Smith is a left side guy. Steele is very good, has not had any issues returning, and much better than any of the draft picks. Your plan would actively make the team worse just so you could be right about something you never even considered. Trust me they spent much more time than the five seconds you put into it to try to make your point look correct
It's hard to say. We've also seen that rushing a guy back from an ACL has not worked out too well regarding Steele. Hopefully it does, and I disagree that he is "very good". He's an average player. Good enough but definitely not elite. Time will tell and the argument is really about Mazi. I am not ready to give up on the guy, it is just not looking good and I would've rather had more depth on the OL and build it for the future either way whether they would start this year or not. You have a chance to take a #1 rated OL Guard, you do that as opposed to a clear developmental player like Mazi, it's very clear he's not going to be ready for a long time.

Really, don't care about the OL rookie starting, although I think those guys could easier than Mazi will be able to at their respective positions...
 

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It's hard to say. We've also seen that rushing a guy back from an ACL has not worked out too well regarding Steele. Hopefully it does, and I disagree that he is "very good". He's an average player. Good enough but definitely not elite. Time will tell and the argument is really about Mazi. I am not ready to give up on the guy, it is just not looking good and I would've rather had more depth on the OL and build it for the future either way whether they would start this year or not. You have a chance to take a #1 rated OL Guard, you do that as opposed to a clear developmental player like Mazi, it's very clear he's not going to be ready for a long time.

Really, don't care about the OL rookie starting, although I think those guys could easier than Mazi will be able to at their respective positions...
Well that’s a much better argument for sure. But I think his second preseason game is maybe a bit too early to write him off
 
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