Mazi supreme disappointment

[mcmvp]

You don't believe that the Chiefs wanted to trade up to get him? You just don't believe it?

Lol…can you simply understand the fact that you will never convince me that you ‘know’ anything that ‘would’ve happened, if”.”?

You can speculate all you want…just spare us logical people that live in the real world (who realize the world is full of limitless possibilities)

 

[rambo2]

Lol…can you simply understand the fact that you will never convince me that you ‘know’ anything that ‘would’ve happened, if”.”?

You can speculate all you want…just spare us logical people that live in the real world (who realize the world is full of limitless possibilities)

Well, it was reported. I didn't make it up.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Meanwhile, we could have this guy. Already showing flashes of starting caliber G for years to come. <sigh>

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/20...torrence-from-preseason-week-1-nfl-news-notes

And to think he fell to us in the 2nd round and we still blew it. Sad.

 

[Typhus]

The way he’s looked, we would be lucky to get a third round pick for him. Lol I don’t remember Taco looking this bad. The quickest I can remember a team giving up on a first round draft pick was the Steelers unloading Huey Richardson, during his second year in 92. He was a major bust only playing two seasons.

You're going to lose a lot of credibility with this post.

 

[KJJ]

You're going to lose a lot of credibility with this post.

Obviously, I was joking about the third round pick, but I don’t remember Taco looking this bad after a couple of preseason games. Just look at all the negative talk about him the last couple of weeks. Even he admitted he was disappointed in his play in the first preseason game, but he looked even worse last night. There were at least a couple of negative tweets posted during the game chat about his performance from those who cover the Cowboys. He was being manhandled by second and third string players. No matter who they put in front of him he couldn’t do anything.

 

[mcmvp]

Well, it was reported. I didn't make it up.

You do realize that post-draft reports are considered speculation, right?

 

[KJJ]

If fans don’t like the Taco comparisons then maybe we can compare hm to Trysten Hill who was the Cowboys first pick in 2019. We traded our first round pick for Amari Cooper the year prior, so Hill who was a second round pick was our top pick. It was pretty much the same deal with Hill, he wasn’t doing much in camp or preseason and it generated a lot of criticism.

 

[stiletto]

If fans don’t like the Taco comparisons then maybe we can compare hm to Trysten Hill who was the Cowboys first pick in 2019. We traded our first round pick for Amari Cooper the year prior, so Hill who was a second round pick was our top pick. It was pretty much the same deal with Hill, he wasn’t doing much in camp or preseason and it generated a lot of criticism.

A lot of the people telling everyone to cool their jets is because we are supposedly spoiled because of all the "hits". What about Taco, what about Tristen Hill, Kelvin Joseph. There have been several misses as well. They are about 50-50. I think it is OK to give pause if our 1st round pick looks like he sucks. LOL I mean, there is some track record of bad defensive picks.

 

[KJJ]

A lot of the people telling everyone to cool their jets is because we are supposedly spoiled because of all the "hits". What about Taco, what about Tristen Hill, Kelvin Joseph. There have been several misses as well. They are about 50-50. I think it is OK to give pause if our 1st round pick looks like he sucks. LOL I mean, there is some track record of bad defensive picks.

From following the Cowboys for 50+ years usually when they hit on a high draft pick, whether it’s a first or second round player, those players were usually standouts in training camp and preseason their rookie years. We saw what made them high draft picks. Just in recent years, we saw it with Tyron, Dez, Zack, CeeDee and Parsons. Tyler Smith was flashing a lot last summer and in preseason. However, the high draft picks the Cowboys have missed on didn’t look good in camp or preseason their rookie years. They raised concerns with the fans and some in the media right off the bat. We saw issues right from the start with Morris Claiborne, Kelvin Joseph, Taco and Trysten Hill, just to name a few the past decade or so.

A lot of hopeful fans were saying they’ll be fine, give them time, but they never came around. When you draft a real good player, especially one that’s destined to be great, you should see some flashes early and often from the day they put on the pads. Every player has a learning curve and there’s going to be some growing pains, but when it’s consistently bad, that’s a red flag. A couple of weeks ago Stephen was asked what young players have stood out and he never named Mazi. It’s still early with him and maybe he’ll start to come around, but his play so far has been very concerning and reminds me of some of the players that have gone bust.

 

[stiletto]

From following the Cowboys for 50+ years usually when they hit on a high draft pick, whether it’s a first or second round player, those players were usually standouts in training camp and preseason their rookie years. We saw what made them high draft picks. Just in recent years, we saw it with Tyron, Dez, Zack, CeeDee and Parsons. Tyler Smith was flashing a lot last summer and in preseason. However, the high draft picks the Cowboys have missed on didn’t look good in camp or preseason their rookie years. They raised concerns with the fans and some in the media right off the bat. We saw issues right from the start with Morris Claiborne, Kelvin Joseph, Taco and Trysten Hill, just to name a few the past decade or so.

A lot of hopeful fans were saying they’ll be fine, give them time, but they never came around. When you draft a real good player, especially one that’s destined to be great, you should see some flashes early and often from the day they put on the pads. Every player has a learning curve and there’s going to be some growing pains, but when it’s consistently bad, that’s a red flag. A couple of weeks ago Stephen was asked what young players have stood out and he never named Mazi. It’s still early with him and maybe he’ll start to come around, but his play so far has been very concerning and reminds me of some of the players that have gone bust.

 

[stilltheguru]

And to think he fell to us in the 2nd round and we still blew it. Sad.

If the season starts and Torrance blows then what? Is it still sad or will you just move to the next player we should've gotten lol

 

[4lifecowboy]

From following the Cowboys for 50+ years usually when they hit on a high draft pick, whether it’s a first or second round player, those players were usually standouts in training camp and preseason their rookie years. We saw what made them high draft picks. Just in recent years, we saw it with Tyron, Dez, Zack, CeeDee and Parsons. Tyler Smith was flashing a lot last summer and in preseason. However, the high draft picks the Cowboys have missed on didn’t look good in camp or preseason their rookie years. They raised concerns with the fans and some in the media right off the bat. We saw issues right from the start with Morris Claiborne, Kelvin Joseph, Taco and Trysten Hill, just to name a few the past decade or so.

A lot of hopeful fans were saying they’ll be fine, give them time, but they never came around. When you draft a real good player, especially one that’s destined to be great, you should see some flashes early and often from the day they put on the pads. Every player has a learning curve and there’s going to be some growing pains, but when it’s consistently bad, that’s a red flag. A couple of weeks ago Stephen was asked what young players have stood out and he never named Mazi. It’s still early with him and maybe he’ll start to come around, but his play so far has been very concerning and reminds me of some of the players that have gone bust.

Does he play a position that is supposed to stand out? If the run defense is better than it was last year worth the pick.

 

[KJJ]

Does he play a position that is supposed to stand out? If the run defense is better than it was last year worth the pick.

He plays a position where you need to get off the ball quicker than he has. The only thing that’s stood out was how slow he’s been off the ball. He was being manhandled by second and third stringers the other night. One website that I can’t post here because it’s banned listed him as one of the three biggest disappointments in camp next to Schoonmaker. With Overshown done for the season our draft isn’t looking very good. At least with Schoonmaker you can make the excuse he’s battling plantar fasciitis, and had to miss a number of practices which has set him back.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Like I have said before... if you look at the good NTs who've come out recently - Vea, Brown, Lawrence, Wilkins, etc - they weren't bad as rookies. They didn't live up to their top 20 billing, but they played at a Hankins-ish average starter level. Then over years 2 and 3, they started developing into difference makers.

Mazi just looks bad. He's way behind the learning curve, and right now has no business playing with the 1s.

It's early, but I am getting Taco vibes. Taco was pretty much dead on arrival, and never looked like he belonged in the pros. For Mazi, the question is does he just need time to go up the learning curve, or is he DOA too.

 

[Jake]

Mazi has in my opinion looked awful in both preseason games. For all the touting his size, strength, and so on just dont see it here. He is pushed around willy nilly on the line and dont believe this is befitting a first round draft pick. I am predicting a bust of Taco proportions here. Just one of the worst pics in Cowboys history. And now with the possibility of Overshown being gone for the season a disastrous 2023 draft. We cannot get to the next level with misses like these and that has been the history in Dallas.

Let's overreact/write off a draft pick after two preseason games.

 

[Bobhaze]

From following the Cowboys for 50+ years usually when they hit on a high draft pick, whether it’s a first or second round player, those players were usually standouts in training camp and preseason their rookie years. We saw what made them high draft picks. Just in recent years, we saw it with Tyron, Dez, Zack, CeeDee and Parsons. Tyler Smith was flashing a lot last summer and in preseason. However, the high draft picks the Cowboys have missed on didn’t look good in camp or preseason their rookie years. They raised concerns with the fans and some in the media right off the bat. We saw issues right from the start with Morris Claiborne, Kelvin Joseph, Taco and Trysten Hill, just to name a few the past decade or so.

A lot of hopeful fans were saying they’ll be fine, give them time, but they never came around. When you draft a real good player, especially one that’s destined to be great, you should see some flashes early and often from the day they put on the pads. Every player has a learning curve and there’s going to be some growing pains, but when it’s consistently bad, that’s a red flag. A couple of weeks ago Stephen was asked what young players have stood out and he never named Mazi. It’s still early with him and maybe he’ll start to come around, but his play so far has been very concerning and reminds me of some of the players that have gone bust.

This is an excellent post KJJ.

But…when I say we should be patient I’m not saying there’s nothing to worry about. I just believe many NFL players have a learning curve that can take more than TC and PS. Mazi is going to need more than 6 weeks to cook.

Here’s an example of a Cowboy you will probably remember that was not an immediate hit. But after some seasoning he was a very good player later- DL Chad Hennings. Granted CH was a late round pick when he was drafted in ‘92, but it took him a couple of years to develop into a a really good player. He was a significant starter by ‘94 and ‘95.

I‘m not saying Mazi will take 2 years. And I don’t know if he will end up being what we hoped. I really don’t know. But I do believe its premature to declare a 22 year old rookie a bust in August.

 

[stiletto]

This is an excellent post KJJ.

But…when I say we should be patient I’m not saying there’s nothing to worry about. I just believe many NFL players have a learning curve that can take more than TC and PS. Mazi is going to need more than 6 weeks to cook.

Here’s an example of a Cowboy you will probably remember that was not an immediate hit. But after some seasoning he was a very good player later- DL Chad Hennings. Granted CH was a late round pick when he was drafted in ‘92, but it took him a couple of years to develop into a a really good player. He was a significant starter by ‘94 and ‘95.

I‘m not saying Mazi will take 2 years. And I don’t know if he will end up being what we hoped. I really don’t know. But I do believe its premature to declare a 22 year old rookie a bust in August.

If it takes 2 years for him to get to be decent, we certainly should have taken someone else with the #1 pick. To me a #1 pretty much has to be an immediate or "really close to" starter and you should see pretty obvious indications that they are going to be good by practice #1. By all accounts that's not happening with Mazi. Definitely shades of Tristen Hill and Taco so far. Hopefully he shows signs of life pretty soon here.

 

[slick325]

Lol...man, I can't wait to see a regular season game. Or how he progresses thru a regular season.

Wait...what happens if he makes a Jalen Tolbert or Trevon Diggs like second year jump?

I like to be patient on players. But, the premise of the thread is microwave reactions...Apologies

 

[Bobhaze]

If it takes 2 years for him to get to be decent, we certainly should have taken someone else with the #1 pick. To me a #1 pretty much has to be an immediate or "really close to" starter and you should see pretty obvious indications that they are going to be good by practice #1. By all accounts that's not happening with Mazi. Definitely shades of Tristen Hill and Taco so far. Hopefully he shows signs of life pretty soon here.

Here the one thing we all know for sure- he’s played two ps games. All I’m saying is that’s not enough time to judge a 22 year old rookie. Good or bad.

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

Expectations for this guy are astronomical. He is who he is, that being a big guy with God gifted talent and a knack for taking on blocks and stuffing the run. To expect more this early in his career is ridiculous.

Just taking a moment to analyze our biggest weakness last season, run defense, it's clear why he was brought in. The run d was strong when Hankins played, and faltered when he was out. Inconsistent run defense led to more balanced attacks from opposing offenses, and limited the strength of the team...the pass rush.

Mazi has some learning and growing to do, but bare minimum, we should see improvements in run defense when Hankins is on the bench, and we have a guy that has all the potential in the world to evolve into an outstanding interior lineman. Improved run defense means a more lethal pass rush. You don't ordinarily see 1T defensive tackles making splash plays every week, but many of the great defenses over the years had a great 1T. We've seen Mazi maintain balance and anchor through double teams. You can see that the offensive line focuses on him regularly. The talent is there. Just a matter of coaching it out of him. Let's see what he does with the 1's.

He's one training camp and two preseason games into a promising career. There are some flaws that need to be cleaned up, but the tangibles are there, and he seems receptive to coaching. Let the kid develop. We're not looking at a finished product, and the player you see now won't be the same player at the end of the season. It seems we had similar conversations about Tyler Smith last year. Just something to think about...